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Old September 20th, 2003, 04:11 PM
Jeff
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"Larry Hoover" wrote in message .. .
"Man Over The M_un" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:22:14 -0400, "Larry Hoover"
wrote:

It's possible that sugar is a marker for the degree of industrial food
processing, or for carb content more generally, but there appears to be a
very robust correlation between sugar consumption and the incidence of
depression.


Or vice-versa.


I'm not sure what you're implying, but there are four cases to consider in
correlation.

1. The observed correlation is a chance observation.
2. Variable A causes variable B.
3. Variable B causes variable A.
4. Both A and B are caused by an unmeasured variable (or variables).

There is insufficient evidence, IMHO, to determine which case is operant
here. I happen to believe that chance is the least likely option, but the
others are equally plausible.

Lar


Not to be pedantic, but there are actually six cases. The two you left out:

5. Variable A is caused by an unmeasured variable(s).
6. Variable B is caused by an unmeasured variable(s).
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Old September 20th, 2003, 09:10 PM
Larry Hoover
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"Jeff" wrote in message
om...
"Larry Hoover" wrote in message

.. .
I'm not sure what you're implying, but there are four cases to consider

in
correlation.

1. The observed correlation is a chance observation.
2. Variable A causes variable B.
3. Variable B causes variable A.
4. Both A and B are caused by an unmeasured variable (or variables).

There is insufficient evidence, IMHO, to determine which case is operant
here. I happen to believe that chance is the least likely option, but

the
others are equally plausible.

Lar


Not to be pedantic, but there are actually six cases. The two you left

out:

5. Variable A is caused by an unmeasured variable(s).
6. Variable B is caused by an unmeasured variable(s).


Those are possible explanations for a coincidental correlation, but I
wouldn't consider them to be separate cases.


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Old September 25th, 2003, 04:01 AM
Robert McCarty
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see below

tcomeau wrote:

"Larry Hoover" wrote in message ...
"Dawn Taylor" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:32:51 GMT, Bob M announced
in front of God and everybody:


I have to say that I feel (in terms of depression) much, much better on

low
carb. On high carb/low fat, the blood sugar swings drove me into
depression. There's nothing like eating a few hundred grams of carbs and
getting the concomitant crash in blood sugar to give you depression.

I agree. Cutting way, way back on carbs has all but eliminated my
problem with mild depression. On a high carb/low-fat diet I was a mess
-- the mood swings from my out-of-whack blood sugar were horrendous.

Dawn


It's possible that sugar is a marker for the degree of industrial food
processing, or for carb content more generally, but there appears to be a
very robust correlation between sugar consumption and the incidence of
depression.

Depress Anxiety. 2002;16(3):118-20.

A cross-national relationship between sugar consumption and major
depression?

Westover AN, Marangell LB.

Mood Disorders Center (MDOC), Department of Psychiatry, Baylor College of
Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.

We have preliminarily investigated the hypothesis that sugar consumption may
impact the prevalence of major depression by correlating per capita
consumption of sugar with the prevalence of major depression. Major
depression prevalence data (annual rate/100) was obtained from the
Cross-National Epidemiology of Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder study
[Weissman et al., 1996]. Sugar consumption data from 1991 was obtained from
the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations. For the
primary analysis, sugar consumption rates (cal/cap/day) were correlated with
the annual rate of major depression, using the Pearson correlation
coefficient. For the six countries with available data for the primary
analysis, there was a highly significant correlation between sugar
consumption and the annual rate of depression (Pearson correlation 0.948,
P=0.004). Naturally, a correlation does not necessarily imply etiology.
Caveats such as the limited number of countries with available data must be
considered. Although speculative, there are some mechanistic reasons to
consider that sugar consumption may directly impact the prevalence of major
depression. Possible relationships between sugar consumption,
beta-endorphins, and oxidative stress are discussed. Copyright 2002
Wiley-Liss, Inc.


It is known that the body requires a number of vitamins to complete
the metabolism of sugar. Notably the B vitamins and folate. When the
bulk of carbs were relatively low in sugar and high in vitamins,
depletion of these vitamins wasn't a problem. But now we have
super-sweet corn that has been selectively bred to contain more sugars
and starches. We have kids drinking half-gallon jugs of water mixed
with large concentrations of high fructose corn syrup and no vitamins.
We have huge mounds of french fries added to super-size a meal.

Forcing the body to deal with these high levels of refined sugars and
carbs not only displaces foods with more vitamins but it actually
depletes the B vitamins. Today, B vitamin deficiencies are the norm
and we are not very much aware of it.

What does this have to do with depression? Tryptophan is a serotonin
pre-cursor, as is Niacin. Tryptophan can be gotten from most foods,
especially beef and other meats. Ther ois no shortage of tryptophan in
the north american diet. But, in the absence of a number of vitamins
including the B complex and folate, the body cannot convert the
tryptophan and niacin into serotonin. Low levels of serotonin equals
anxiety and depression.

If you go to a doctor and tell him that you suffer from depression
and/or anxiety he will *not* discuss your diet with you, he will
simply and quickly prescribe you an anti-depressant. The
pharmaceutical companies have made sure that he or she is ignorant of
the diet-depression connection and he will, in his oblivion, give you
a prescription that will take literally hundreds of dollars a month
from your pocket straight into the coffers of the big pharma.

Isn't free interprise a wonderful thing?

TC


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