WW Core Quiz/Question for leaders

Even the CFC does not carry everything. That I can understand. From what I
understand the companies had to pay to be listed in the book. But to not
update the materials with known corrections in a timely fashion just is not
fair to the paying members. That's really what many are upset about.

You are also correct about the difference bwt WW and Dotties board. I guess
I got wrapped up in the Jerry springer like entertainment. Back to Dotties
board for me.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
I agree with the last paragraph, to a point. But that would mean I
should also be disappointed that they don't include in the database
every brand name out there. Actually, I AM disappointed that they
don't. I mean, how many of us indulge in Skinny Cows and yet those
buggers aren't in the database.

Yeah, I know about being an Internet junkie. And when I'm in the mood
for Jerry Springer-like entertainment on the Internet, I visit the WW
boards. But when I'm looking for good information and
honest-to-goodness support and encouragement, I go to Dotti's board.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:44 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I
turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet
junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They
have been very negative lately.

I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I
question
what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source.

I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job
distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has
stopped
talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair
to
us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that
none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have
worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on
updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me.

"prairieroots" wrote in message
alkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site
is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure
out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what
to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain"
with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the
stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to
have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan.
But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate
success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on
the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from
the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the
additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work
the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then
it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for
me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



--
Linda P

Even the CFC does not carry everything. That I can understand. From what I
understand the companies had to pay to be listed in the book. But to not
update the materials with known corrections in a timely fashion just is not
fair to the paying members. That's really what many are upset about.

You are also correct about the difference bwt WW and Dotties board. I guess
I got wrapped up in the Jerry springer like entertainment. Back to Dotties
board for me.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
I agree with the last paragraph, to a point. But that would mean I
should also be disappointed that they don't include in the database
every brand name out there. Actually, I AM disappointed that they
don't. I mean, how many of us indulge in Skinny Cows and yet those
buggers aren't in the database.

Yeah, I know about being an Internet junkie. And when I'm in the mood
for Jerry Springer-like entertainment on the Internet, I visit the WW
boards. But when I'm looking for good information and
honest-to-goodness support and encouragement, I go to Dotti's board.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:44 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I
turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet
junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They
have been very negative lately.

I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I
question
what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source.

I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job
distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has
stopped
talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair
to
us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that
none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have
worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on
updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me.

"prairieroots" wrote in message
alkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site
is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure
out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what
to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain"
with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the
stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to
have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan.
But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate
success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on
the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from
the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the
additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work
the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then
it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for
me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



--
Linda P

Maybe I have more sympathy for WW than the average bear because I work
for a publisher, and I know how it can go with the introduction of a
new line of publications. Murphy's Law definitely comes into play: as
the accuracy of content increases in importance, so does the certainty
that embarassing errors will not be caught. I'm in the annals of my
company's Legendary Errata files for being responsible for causing the
most letters to the editor for a single error in a publication. (I
might just have won another awrad for the most prepositions in a
sentence.) Despite five proofings, I never caught the misspelled
phrase "bowel of soup" (should have been "bowl of soup"). It happened
7 years ago, and I'm still hearing about it. If you think the members
of the WW community boards are nasty, you should read how some church
people talk to other church people. And then sign off with, "Yours in
Christ." You've never been properly chewed on until you've been eaten
alive by an irate Lutheran pastor.

So I think I'll cut the WW leadership a little slack. Practicing
forgiveness is better for my health. Maybe anger and general ****iness
should be deductible from the 35 WPAs. At least for me, those two
emotions are definitely binge triggers.

And you know what else, Laura? You are my role model for looking with
brutal honesty at why you aren't losing weight and figuring out what
to do to make changes. When you've plateaued, you haven't blamed WW
mgmt for not publishing corrections. You've taken a hard look within
and said, maybe I'm not counting my eating out points correctly. Or
you've gone back to meetings when you thought that might help. (Your
example is one reason I decided to give meetings a try.) Or you've
looked at your portion sizes. I bet none of the whiners on the WW
boards can claim the same willingness to look in the mirror and face
the truth. That's what I love about this group. The personal
accountability here is unbelievable.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:48:59 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

But to not
update the materials with known corrections in a timely fashion just is not
fair to the paying members. That's really what many are upset about.

--
Linda P

Maybe I have more sympathy for WW than the average bear because I work
for a publisher, and I know how it can go with the introduction of a
new line of publications. Murphy's Law definitely comes into play: as
the accuracy of content increases in importance, so does the certainty
that embarassing errors will not be caught. I'm in the annals of my
company's Legendary Errata files for being responsible for causing the
most letters to the editor for a single error in a publication. (I
might just have won another awrad for the most prepositions in a
sentence.) Despite five proofings, I never caught the misspelled
phrase "bowel of soup" (should have been "bowl of soup"). It happened
7 years ago, and I'm still hearing about it. If you think the members
of the WW community boards are nasty, you should read how some church
people talk to other church people. And then sign off with, "Yours in
Christ." You've never been properly chewed on until you've been eaten
alive by an irate Lutheran pastor.

So I think I'll cut the WW leadership a little slack. Practicing
forgiveness is better for my health. Maybe anger and general ****iness
should be deductible from the 35 WPAs. At least for me, those two
emotions are definitely binge triggers.

And you know what else, Laura? You are my role model for looking with
brutal honesty at why you aren't losing weight and figuring out what
to do to make changes. When you've plateaued, you haven't blamed WW
mgmt for not publishing corrections. You've taken a hard look within
and said, maybe I'm not counting my eating out points correctly. Or
you've gone back to meetings when you thought that might help. (Your
example is one reason I decided to give meetings a try.) Or you've
looked at your portion sizes. I bet none of the whiners on the WW
boards can claim the same willingness to look in the mirror and face
the truth. That's what I love about this group. The personal
accountability here is unbelievable.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:48:59 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

But to not
update the materials with known corrections in a timely fashion just is not
fair to the paying members. That's really what many are upset about.

--
Linda P

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Maybe I have more sympathy for WW than the average bear because I work
for a publisher, and I know how it can go with the introduction of a
new line of publications. Murphy's Law definitely comes into play: as
the accuracy of content increases in importance, so does the certainty
that embarassing errors will not be caught. I'm in the annals of my
company's Legendary Errata files for being responsible for causing the
most letters to the editor for a single error in a publication. (I
might just have won another awrad for the most prepositions in a
sentence.) Despite five proofings, I never caught the misspelled
phrase "bowel of soup" (should have been "bowl of soup"). It happened
7 years ago, and I'm still hearing about it. If you think the members
of the WW community boards are nasty, you should read how some church
people talk to other church people. And then sign off with, "Yours in
Christ." You've never been properly chewed on until you've been eaten
alive by an irate Lutheran pastor.

So I think I'll cut the WW leadership a little slack. Practicing
forgiveness is better for my health. Maybe anger and general ****iness
should be deductible from the 35 WPAs. At least for me, those two
emotions are definitely binge triggers.

After that boo-boo I can understand you cutting them some slack. Plus you've
been on the inside of the publishing industry. You see what goes on. I can
understand the possibility of errors. Its just the way that WW is handling
them that has me upset.

And you know what else, Laura? You are my role model for looking with
brutal honesty at why you aren't losing weight and figuring out what
to do to make changes. When you've plateaued, you haven't blamed WW
mgmt for not publishing corrections. You've taken a hard look within
and said, maybe I'm not counting my eating out points correctly. Or
you've gone back to meetings when you thought that might help. (Your
example is one reason I decided to give meetings a try.) Or you've
looked at your portion sizes. I bet none of the whiners on the WW
boards can claim the same willingness to look in the mirror and face
the truth. That's what I love about this group. The personal
accountability here is unbelievable.

Wow! I've never considered myself a role model before. Thankyou. I know that
I have been struggling through this since I started. Lots of baggage in this
soul. But you are right I have not been a whiner. Just a confused soul
trying to figure out what/why this body is doing what it is doing half of
the time. And you are also correct that the folks at the ww board are
whining a bit too much over these changes.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Maybe I have more sympathy for WW than the average bear because I work
for a publisher, and I know how it can go with the introduction of a
new line of publications. Murphy's Law definitely comes into play: as
the accuracy of content increases in importance, so does the certainty
that embarassing errors will not be caught. I'm in the annals of my
company's Legendary Errata files for being responsible for causing the
most letters to the editor for a single error in a publication. (I
might just have won another awrad for the most prepositions in a
sentence.) Despite five proofings, I never caught the misspelled
phrase "bowel of soup" (should have been "bowl of soup"). It happened
7 years ago, and I'm still hearing about it. If you think the members
of the WW community boards are nasty, you should read how some church
people talk to other church people. And then sign off with, "Yours in
Christ." You've never been properly chewed on until you've been eaten
alive by an irate Lutheran pastor.

So I think I'll cut the WW leadership a little slack. Practicing
forgiveness is better for my health. Maybe anger and general ****iness
should be deductible from the 35 WPAs. At least for me, those two
emotions are definitely binge triggers.

After that boo-boo I can understand you cutting them some slack. Plus you've
been on the inside of the publishing industry. You see what goes on. I can
understand the possibility of errors. Its just the way that WW is handling
them that has me upset.

And you know what else, Laura? You are my role model for looking with
brutal honesty at why you aren't losing weight and figuring out what
to do to make changes. When you've plateaued, you haven't blamed WW
mgmt for not publishing corrections. You've taken a hard look within
and said, maybe I'm not counting my eating out points correctly. Or
you've gone back to meetings when you thought that might help. (Your
example is one reason I decided to give meetings a try.) Or you've
looked at your portion sizes. I bet none of the whiners on the WW
boards can claim the same willingness to look in the mirror and face
the truth. That's what I love about this group. The personal
accountability here is unbelievable.

Wow! I've never considered myself a role model before. Thankyou. I know that
I have been struggling through this since I started. Lots of baggage in this
soul. But you are right I have not been a whiner. Just a confused soul
trying to figure out what/why this body is doing what it is doing half of
the time. And you are also correct that the folks at the ww board are
whining a bit too much over these changes.

this is so on the money. I have had etools since January 1 2004, have never
read a message board because this group is just what I need, I can eat 1 or
2 Hershey's kisses without a problem, but it is a struggle to eat one
serving of plain yogurt. Lee
prairieroots wrote in message
lkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.

I promise I'll let this go. But one more thing came to mind while I
was walking the dog this evening. There's a phrase that gets used in
12-step groups whenever anyone starts to complain about the
proceedings or what someone said or the lack of whatever: Take what
you need and leave the rest. I say, if something helps my program,
then I'll give it consideration. But anything that doesn't help my
program, I do my best to ignore it. In this endeavor, I'm all about
filtering out the noise and anything that distracts me from what I
need to do to stay on program. This work is hard enough without
picking up other people's baggage. My own is plenty heavy.

Ok, I think I'm done. There's lots of noise going on at work this week
to which I'm trying really hard to apply all this same thinking. Did
fine till today when I slipped. Thank goodness this is the day after
WI and not the day before. I have enough WPAs to cover me.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:31:38 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe I have more sympathy for WW than the average bear because I work
for a publisher, and I know how it can go with the introduction of a
new line of publications. Murphy's Law definitely comes into play: as
the accuracy of content increases in importance, so does the certainty
that embarassing errors will not be caught. I'm in the annals of my
company's Legendary Errata files for being responsible for causing the
most letters to the editor for a single error in a publication. (I
might just have won another awrad for the most prepositions in a
sentence.) Despite five proofings, I never caught the misspelled
phrase "bowel of soup" (should have been "bowl of soup"). It happened
7 years ago, and I'm still hearing about it. If you think the members
of the WW community boards are nasty, you should read how some church
people talk to other church people. And then sign off with, "Yours in
Christ." You've never been properly chewed on until you've been eaten
alive by an irate Lutheran pastor.

So I think I'll cut the WW leadership a little slack. Practicing
forgiveness is better for my health. Maybe anger and general ****iness
should be deductible from the 35 WPAs. At least for me, those two
emotions are definitely binge triggers.

After that boo-boo I can understand you cutting them some slack. Plus you've
been on the inside of the publishing industry. You see what goes on. I can
understand the possibility of errors. Its just the way that WW is handling
them that has me upset.

And you know what else, Laura? You are my role model for looking with
brutal honesty at why you aren't losing weight and figuring out what
to do to make changes. When you've plateaued, you haven't blamed WW
mgmt for not publishing corrections. You've taken a hard look within
and said, maybe I'm not counting my eating out points correctly. Or
you've gone back to meetings when you thought that might help. (Your
example is one reason I decided to give meetings a try.) Or you've
looked at your portion sizes. I bet none of the whiners on the WW
boards can claim the same willingness to look in the mirror and face
the truth. That's what I love about this group. The personal
accountability here is unbelievable.

Wow! I've never considered myself a role model before. Thankyou. I know that
I have been struggling through this since I started. Lots of baggage in this
soul. But you are right I have not been a whiner. Just a confused soul
trying to figure out what/why this body is doing what it is doing half of
the time. And you are also correct that the folks at the ww board are
whining a bit too much over these changes.


--
Linda P

That sounds like excellent advise. I tend to get caught up in the noise and
I need to stop doing that. Sometimes it is to divert attention from the real
noise here at home and work. Especially work. I'm not sure how much longer I
want to work there. I actually quit a few weeks ago but one of the directors
convinced me to give them until the end of the year to make some very
necessary changes in the way they were conducting business. Well, he came to
me yesterday and said that he has not seen any signs of them being willing
to make the changes and that he was leaving. So my "protector" is jumping
ship leaving me holding the bag. That and TOM refuses to show up. I'm a
mess. I slipped last night and had some real ice cream. Did no measure it
either. Had some in a coffee mug as it was the closest clean container in
the sink. Man, did that taste good.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
I promise I'll let this go. But one more thing came to mind while I
was walking the dog this evening. There's a phrase that gets used in
12-step groups whenever anyone starts to complain about the
proceedings or what someone said or the lack of whatever: Take what
you need and leave the rest. I say, if something helps my program,
then I'll give it consideration. But anything that doesn't help my
program, I do my best to ignore it. In this endeavor, I'm all about
filtering out the noise and anything that distracts me from what I
need to do to stay on program. This work is hard enough without
picking up other people's baggage. My own is plenty heavy.

Ok, I think I'm done. There's lots of noise going on at work this week
to which I'm trying really hard to apply all this same thinking. Did
fine till today when I slipped. Thank goodness this is the day after
WI and not the day before. I have enough WPAs to cover me.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:31:38 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe I have more sympathy for WW than the average bear because I work
for a publisher, and I know how it can go with the introduction of a
new line of publications. Murphy's Law definitely comes into play: as
the accuracy of content increases in importance, so does the certainty
that embarassing errors will not be caught. I'm in the annals of my
company's Legendary Errata files for being responsible for causing the
most letters to the editor for a single error in a publication. (I
might just have won another awrad for the most prepositions in a
sentence.) Despite five proofings, I never caught the misspelled
phrase "bowel of soup" (should have been "bowl of soup"). It happened
7 years ago, and I'm still hearing about it. If you think the members
of the WW community boards are nasty, you should read how some church
people talk to other church people. And then sign off with, "Yours in
Christ." You've never been properly chewed on until you've been eaten
alive by an irate Lutheran pastor.

So I think I'll cut the WW leadership a little slack. Practicing
forgiveness is better for my health. Maybe anger and general ****iness
should be deductible from the 35 WPAs. At least for me, those two
emotions are definitely binge triggers.

After that boo-boo I can understand you cutting them some slack. Plus
you've
been on the inside of the publishing industry. You see what goes on. I
can
understand the possibility of errors. Its just the way that WW is
handling
them that has me upset.

And you know what else, Laura? You are my role model for looking with
brutal honesty at why you aren't losing weight and figuring out what
to do to make changes. When you've plateaued, you haven't blamed WW
mgmt for not publishing corrections. You've taken a hard look within
and said, maybe I'm not counting my eating out points correctly. Or
you've gone back to meetings when you thought that might help. (Your
example is one reason I decided to give meetings a try.) Or you've
looked at your portion sizes. I bet none of the whiners on the WW
boards can claim the same willingness to look in the mirror and face
the truth. That's what I love about this group. The personal
accountability here is unbelievable.

Wow! I've never considered myself a role model before. Thankyou. I know
that
I have been struggling through this since I started. Lots of baggage in
this
soul. But you are right I have not been a whiner. Just a confused soul
trying to figure out what/why this body is doing what it is doing half of
the time. And you are also correct that the folks at the ww board are
whining a bit too much over these changes.


--
Linda P