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January 11th, 2004, 05:44 PM
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An even better LC Bread
Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber
www.samisbakery.com it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per slice. Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g Sat fat: 1g Cholet: 0 Sodium: 200 mg Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g Protein: 1g the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too. 
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January 11th, 2004, 05:50 PM
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An even better LC Bread
That looks nice, thank you for the reference.
JJ. "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber www.samisbakery.com it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per slice. Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g Sat fat: 1g Cholet: 0 Sodium: 200 mg Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g Protein: 1g the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too.
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January 11th, 2004, 07:05 PM
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An even better LC Bread
Roger Zoul wrote:
Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber www.samisbakery.com it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per slice. Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g Sat fat: 1g Cholet: 0 Sodium: 200 mg Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g Protein: 1g the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too. I wonder if it is available up here. Is it a local product? -- Jean B.
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January 11th, 2004, 07:47 PM
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Jean B. wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: ::: Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber ::: ::: www.samisbakery.com ::: ::: it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per ::: slice. ::: ::: Cal: 64 ::: Total fat: 4g ::: Sat fat: 1g ::: Cholet: 0 ::: Sodium: 200 mg ::: Total carb: 6g ::: Fiber: 4g ::: Protein: 1g ::: ::: the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. ::: ::: I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too. :: :: I wonder if it is available up here. Is it a local product? I'm in SC....they are in FL....so it may be regional. You can order online, apparently. Where is up here?
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#5
January 11th, 2004, 07:52 PM
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Ok, here is a good example of where I get confised with food labels. Is
this realy 2 net carbs or is it 6? Using the 'do the math' method we find this: Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g: this make 36 (4*9) Protein: 1g: this makes 4 (1*4) For a total of 40 calories. That leaves 24 unaccounted for - which happens to be exactly 6*4. Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g So am I correct in assuming that the fiber has already been subtracted out? And that net carbs would therefore be 6 per slice (which is more in line with low-carb bread)? Are there any standards for subtrating the fiber/not subtracting it? I though I remembered something about reading labes that had fiber indented under th carbs but I forget whether that means they were subtracted already. Thanks! -- Craig M 267/256/185 since December 30 2003 (second time around, first time ended up 267/215/185 and fell off the wagon hard) "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber www.samisbakery.com it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per slice. Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g Sat fat: 1g Cholet: 0 Sodium: 200 mg Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g Protein: 1g the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too.
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January 11th, 2004, 07:53 PM
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Roger Zoul wrote:
Jean B. wrote: :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: ::: Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber ::: ::: www.samisbakery.com ::: ::: it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per ::: slice. ::: ::: Cal: 64 ::: Total fat: 4g ::: Sat fat: 1g ::: Cholet: 0 ::: Sodium: 200 mg ::: Total carb: 6g ::: Fiber: 4g ::: Protein: 1g ::: ::: the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. ::: ::: I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too. :: :: I wonder if it is available up here. Is it a local product? I'm in SC....they are in FL....so it may be regional. You can order online, apparently. Where is up here? Massachusetts. -- Jean B.
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#7
January 11th, 2004, 09:17 PM
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Shpilkus wrote:
:: Ok, here is a good example of where I get confised with food labels. :: Is this realy 2 net carbs or is it 6? Using the 'do the math' :: method we find this: ::: Cal: 64 ::: Total fat: 4g: this make 36 (4*9) ::: Protein: 1g: this makes 4 (1*4) :: For a total of 40 calories. That leaves 24 unaccounted for - which :: happens to be exactly 6*4. ::: Total carb: 6g ::: Fiber: 4g :: :: So am I correct in assuming that the fiber has already been :: subtracted out? And that net carbs would therefore be 6 per slice :: (which is more in line with low-carb bread)? Are there any :: standards for subtrating the fiber/not subtracting it? I though I :: remembered something about reading labes that had fiber indented :: under th carbs but I forget whether that means they were subtracted :: already. :: I entered this into fitday, which subtracts fiber from total carbs, and it didn't give any errors in the calorie total. When it does, it's generally a sure sign that there is funny business going on in the labeling info. The nutrition facts are in paragraph form, rather than in that more useful table form, so no indenting is apparent. The bag even says "2 grams carb per slice." I know some manufacturers will compute total calories including the fiber, but fitday doesn't, but yet it didn't complain. Now I'm confused as hell. This makes me think fitday.com has changed. f*cking a.... :: Thanks! :: :: -- :: Craig M :: 267/256/185 since December 30 2003 :: (second time around, first time ended up 267/215/185 and fell off :: the wagon hard) :: :: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber ::: ::: www.samisbakery.com ::: ::: it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per ::: slice. ::: ::: Cal: 64 ::: Total fat: 4g ::: Sat fat: 1g ::: Cholet: 0 ::: Sodium: 200 mg ::: Total carb: 6g ::: Fiber: 4g ::: Protein: 1g ::: ::: the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. ::: ::: I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too.
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#8
January 11th, 2004, 09:32 PM
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An even better LC Bread
Fiber does have 4 calories per gram. It'a carbohydrate but you still
subtract it. Ignoramus7264 wrote: In article , Roger Zoul wrote: Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber www.samisbakery.com it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per slice. Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g Sat fat: 1g Cholet: 0 Sodium: 200 mg Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g Protein: 1g the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too. calories from fat/fiber/protein do not add up... seems like another fake fraudulent low carb product... They add up only if you count fiber at 4 calories per gram. So maybe they overstated fiber content? i
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#9
January 11th, 2004, 09:35 PM
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Roger Zoul wrote:
:: Shpilkus wrote: :::: Ok, here is a good example of where I get confised with food :::: labels. :::: Is this realy 2 net carbs or is it 6? Using the 'do the math' :::: method we find this: ::::: Cal: 64 ::::: Total fat: 4g: this make 36 (4*9) ::::: Protein: 1g: this makes 4 (1*4) :::: For a total of 40 calories. That leaves 24 unaccounted for - which :::: happens to be exactly 6*4. ::::: Total carb: 6g ::::: Fiber: 4g :::: :::: So am I correct in assuming that the fiber has already been :::: subtracted out? And that net carbs would therefore be 6 per slice :::: (which is more in line with low-carb bread)? Are there any :::: standards for subtrating the fiber/not subtracting it? I though I :::: remembered something about reading labes that had fiber indented :::: under th carbs but I forget whether that means they were subtracted :::: already. :::: :: :: I entered this into fitday, which subtracts fiber from total carbs, :: and it didn't give any errors in the calorie total. When it does, :: it's generally a sure sign that there is funny business going on in :: the labeling info. :: :: The nutrition facts are in paragraph form, rather than in that more :: useful table form, so no indenting is apparent. :: :: The bag even says "2 grams carb per slice." :: :: I know some manufacturers will compute total calories including the :: fiber, but fitday doesn't, but yet it didn't complain. Now I'm :: confused as hell. :: :: This makes me think fitday.com has changed. :: :: f*cking a.... Crap! Fitday weirdness. I just changed the calorie count for this food to 40 instead of 64 and fitday took it without problems. then I changed it to 100 and fitday came back saying there should be about 48 kcals...so fitday seems willing to allow a deviation as great as 16 for a given food item. That seems like a lot to me. I wonder if this is fitday's means of accounting for weirdness in FDA rules... My guess is the manufacturer of this bread just used total carbs to compute the calorie count. From my understanding, the FDA allows this per what Reb posted a few days ago (I list it here): Reb wrote: No, believe it or not, Phil was right! It's those weird FDA labeling regulations again. When calculating total calories in a product, a manufacturer has several options. One is to use the 4/4/9 rule straight across the board, counting total carbohydrates (including all fiber) as having 4 calories per gram. Another option is to deduct the insoluble fiber carbohydrates before applying the 4/4/9 rule. (So, having this flexibility, a product could properly have two totally different calorie counts.) But soluble fiber can not be omitted from the 4/4/9 rule (even though minimal calories are absorbed from all soluble fiber sources). Soluble fiber, according to regulations, must always be counted as having 4 calories per gram. So, since your cereal has a high polydextrose content (soluble), all of that fiber was (correctly) counted in the calories. Fitday is incorrect to assume all fiber carbohydrates should be subtracted when applying the 4/4/9 rule. See http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...21cfr101.9.htm Beginning on page 24 - "Caloric content may be calculated by the following methods. ...Using the general factors of 4, 4, and 9 calories per gram for protein, total carbohydrate, and total fat, respectively...Using the general factors of 4, 4, and 9 calories per gram for protein, total carbohydrate less the amount of insoluble dietary fiber, and total fat, respectively..." I know, it's weird and doesn't make sense, and makes getting a true calorie count difficult (if not impossible) when figuring how many calories your body is actually able to access, but that's what the FDA has given us for now. The really insidious thing about this ambiguity in fiber/calorie labeling is that it makes finding hidden carbs more difficult, especially when the fiber content is not broken down into soluble and insoluble (which is not required). Not knowing whether or not fiber "calories" have been deducted from the stated calorie total makes it impossible to tell if the numbers are really adding up. Reb :: :: :::: Thanks! :::: :::: -- :::: Craig M :::: 267/256/185 since December 30 2003 :::: (second time around, first time ended up 267/215/185 and fell off :::: the wagon hard) :::: :::: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :::: ... ::::: Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber ::::: ::::: www.samisbakery.com ::::: ::::: it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per ::::: slice. ::::: ::::: Cal: 64 ::::: Total fat: 4g ::::: Sat fat: 1g ::::: Cholet: 0 ::::: Sodium: 200 mg ::::: Total carb: 6g ::::: Fiber: 4g ::::: Protein: 1g ::::: ::::: the slices aren't huge, but I think this is my new LC bread. ::::: ::::: I'll use this stuff on my LF carbup days, too.
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#10
January 11th, 2004, 10:09 PM
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An even better LC Bread
Roger Zoul wrote:
Low Carb 7 Grain Fiber www.samisbakery.com it does not have that rubber like texture and only 2 g carbs per slice. Cal: 64 Total fat: 4g Sat fat: 1g Cholet: 0 Sodium: 200 mg Total carb: 6g Fiber: 4g Protein: 1g Did you see the black bean hummus? Only 2 net carbs for 1 oz. Isn't that a bit lower than regular? Marsha/Ohio
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