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  #1  
Old September 27th, 2012, 06:25 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/

"In the month since I started, I’ve lost twelve pounds so far. The
most remarkable thing for me, though–-and I wasn’t really expecting
it–-is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I
have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine
sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill
my prescription for Imitrex.

"If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the
migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic
annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also
disappeared; I’ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I’ve
stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking
omeprazole for GERD–-no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy
levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily
aches and pains–-especially arthritis in my hands and fingers–-have
disappeared."

"I’ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis’s book,
but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the
milk-free pudding: I’ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has
truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and
well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that
inspired me to give it a try.

"To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment.
Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens."

Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"!

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old September 27th, 2012, 07:03 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/

"In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The
most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting
it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free,


I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC
diet, meaning the benefits may be due to that and not
be wheat specific. Lots of people have reported all kinds
of health improvements due to LC alone. Real studies, as
opposed to annecdotal reports have shown it as well.





I
have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine
sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill
my prescription for Imitrex.

"If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the
migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic
annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also
disappeared; I ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I ve
stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking
omeprazole for GERD -no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy
levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily
aches and pains -especially arthritis in my hands and fingers -have
disappeared."

"I ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis s book,
but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the
milk-free pudding: I ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has
truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and
well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that
inspired me to give it a try.

"To any skeptics I would simply say, it s a simple enough experiment.
Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens."

Nooooo! *Don't do thaaaat! *Wait for a freakin' "study"!

--
Dogman



Being a skeptic, I can't try the experiment. That's
because I don't have migraines. I don't have GERD.
I don't take omeprazole. I don't take Imitrex. I don't
have post nasal drip either. I don't take naps in the
afternoon and I don't have food cravings.

Gee, and I still eat some wheat. Imagine that! In fact, I
just had a sandwich made from Pepperidge Farms
CarbStyle bread that has wheat in it.

Do you have to shill multiple times a day for the wheat
belly book? Are you as sure about wheat as you are that HIV is
harmless? That HIV doesn't cause AIDS? That AIDS
is caused by diet?
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Old September 27th, 2012, 07:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/

"In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The
most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting
it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free,


I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC
diet,


And you know this...how, exactly, Dr. Carnac?

crickets

I
have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine
sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill
my prescription for Imitrex.

"If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the
migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic
annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also
disappeared; I ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I ve
stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking
omeprazole for GERD -no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy
levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily
aches and pains -especially arthritis in my hands and fingers -have
disappeared."

"I ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis s book,
but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the
milk-free pudding: I ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has
truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and
well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that
inspired me to give it a try.

"To any skeptics I would simply say, it s a simple enough experiment.
Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens."

Nooooo! *Don't do thaaaat! *Wait for a freakin' "study"!


Being a skeptic, I can't try the experiment. That's
because I don't have migraines. I don't have GERD.
I don't take omeprazole. I don't take Imitrex. I don't
have post nasal drip either. I don't take naps in the
afternoon and I don't have food cravings.


But you have no idea what wheat may be doing to your blood sugars
because you don't TEST.

You also have no idea what effects wheat may be having on YOU, because
you've never known life without wheat.

And over time, elevated blood sugars can cause diabetes, elevated
LDL-P counts, heart attacks, strokes, fibromyalgia, blindness, etc.

As I reflected in a previous post, millions of people with diabetes do
NOT know they have diabetes.

They, not unlike yourself, prefer to unscrew the engine warning lights
in their "cars."

Good luck with that!

Gee, and I still eat some wheat. Imagine that!


That's your choice, of course, but others may decide to pursue a much
different way of eating. A healthier way of eating.

Do you have to shill multiple times a day for the wheat
belly book?


Do you have to shill multiple times a day for a very, very sloppy way
of low-carb eating? Or for BigPharma? Or for ADM? Or for AIDS, Inc?

Here's what I shill for: Being the healthiest that you can be. Ways to
lose weight, keep it off, and avoid sickness in the first place.

I.e., PREVENTION.

Are you as sure about wheat as you are that HIV is
harmless?


Read my sig file a few more times. Eventually it'll sink in.

Some dogs need more repetitions than others. Ditto for some humans I
know.

That HIV doesn't cause AIDS?


Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that.

That AIDS is caused by diet?


Yes, I'm pretty sure that AIDS can be caused by malnutrition.

Chronic malnutrition can lead to immune dysfunction, even its total
collapse.

Which can produce diseases like TB, malaria, cholera, etc.

Throw in a lack of proper hygiene, dirty drinking water, and here's
what you get: DEAD

So...as usual:

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"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old September 27th, 2012, 09:54 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Sep 27, 2:56*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/


"In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The
most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting
it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free,


I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC
diet,


And you know this...how, exactly, Dr. Carnac?

crickets


Well, the very website that you constantly keep boring us with
and posting links to, as if it were some great new discovery:

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/1...ick-and-dirty/

Eliminate:
All wheat-based products (all breads, all breakfast cereals, noodles,
pasta, bagels, muffins, pancakes, waffles, donuts, pretzels,
crackers), oat products (oatmeal, oat bran), cornstarch-based products
(sauces or gravies thickened with cornstarch, prepared or processed
foods containing cornstarch, cornmeal products like chips, tacos,
tortillas), sugary soft drinks, candies

Enjoy unlimited:
Vegetables-except potatoes; fresh or frozen, never canned
Raw nuts and seeds-raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, hazelnuts,
pistachios, Brazil nuts, cashews; dry-roasted peanuts (not roasted in
oil); pumpkin and sunflower seeds
Healthy oils (unheated)-olive, flaxseed, coconut, avocado, walnut
Meats-red meats, pork, fish, chicken, turkey, eggs. (Consider free-
range, grass-fed and/or organic sources.)
Non-wheat grains-ground flaxseed, chia seeds
Teas, coffee, water, unsweetened almond milk, coconut milk or coconut
water
Cheeses—real cultured cheeses only (not Velveeta or single-slice
processed cheese)
Avocado or guacamole; hummus; unsweetened condiments, e.g.,
mayonnaise, mustard, oil-based salad dressings; ketchup without high-
fructose corn syrup; pesto, tapenades; olives

Limited:
Fruit-No more than 2 servings a day (one serving is a level handful),
preferably in this order (best first): berries of all varieties,
citrus, apples, nectarines, peaches, melons. Minimize bananas,
pineapples, mangoes, and grapes
Fruit juices-only real juices and in minimal quantities (no more than
2-4 oz)
Dairy products-No more than 1 serving per day of milk, cottage cheese
or yogurt, unsweetened (Fat content does not matter.)
Legumes/beans; peas; sweet potatoes and yams; rice (white and brown);
soy
Dark chocolates-70-85% cocoa or greater; no more than 40 grams
(approximately 2 inches square) per day
Sugar-free foods-preferably stevia-containing, rather than aspartame


Sure looks very similar to Atkins, South Beach or many other
LC, reduced carb diets.




But you have no idea what wheat may be doing to your blood sugars
because you don't TEST.


That's right. Just like so many others that I've seen here
in the newsgroup the last decade that are not diabetic, I
do LC without testing my BG. It has never even been
discussed as some kind of requirement, until you showed
up.



You also have no idea what effects wheat may be having on YOU, because
you've never known life without wheat.

And over time, elevated blood sugars can cause diabetes, elevated
LDL-P counts, heart attacks, strokes, fibromyalgia, blindness, etc.

As I reflected in a previous post, millions of people with diabetes do
NOT know they have diabetes.

They, not unlike yourself, prefer to unscrew the engine warning lights
in their "cars."

Good luck with that!

Gee, and I still eat some wheat. *Imagine that!


That's your choice, of course, but others may decide to pursue a much
different way of eating. A healthier way of eating.


I have a couple slices of Pepperidge farms CarbStyle bread,
with a whopping 5g of carb per slice and it's unhealthy?
Healthier according to whom? You? The same guy that
says HIV is harmless? The guy that says HIV doesn't cause
AIDS? The guy that claims no virus can cause cancer?
Given what you think is sound science, why would anyone listen
to you?





Do you have to shill multiple times a *day for the wheat
belly book?


Do you have to shill multiple times a day for a very, very sloppy way
of low-carb eating? Or for BigPharma? Or for ADM? Or for AIDS, Inc?


I'm not the one starting post after post here, many of them about
this wheat belly crap. And I'm not the one with the compelling need
to have the last say on virtually every topic. Go back and look at
who
has started most of the posts for the last few months and who ends
almost
every one. Hint: It's not me. It didn't used to be like that, until
you
showed up.




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Old September 27th, 2012, 11:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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wrote:

Well, the very website that you constantly keep ... posting links to ...

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/1...ick-and-dirty/

Eliminate:
All wheat-based products (all breads, all breakfast cereals, noodles,
pasta, bagels, muffins, pancakes, waffles, donuts, pretzels,
crackers), oat products (oatmeal, oat bran), cornstarch-based products
(sauces or gravies thickened with cornstarch, prepared or processed
foods containing cornstarch, cornmeal products like chips, tacos,
tortillas), sugary soft drinks, candies

Enjoy unlimited:
Non-wheat grains-ground flaxseed, chia seeds


To me this looks like what he means by "wheat" is actually all cereal
grains. Not much of a down side to avoided all serial grains.

Cheeses—real cultured cheeses only (not Velveeta or single-slice
processed cheese)


Recently American cheese in individual slice packages went from cheese
to "pasteurized cheese product". Kraft, Borden and local brands. I
figure the local brands are prbably made by Kraft and/or Borden. It
looks like over time they made the formula worse and worse until it no
longer legally qualified to be called cheese. On the other hand the
large five pound blocks that come as presliced but still all in the same
block still count as cheese.

What's creapy is Country Crock. if you like margarine read the label of
Country Crock some type. It's so horrible they can't even legally call
it margarine.

Minimize bananas, pineapples, mangoes, and grapes


Dates, too.

Sure looks very similar to Atkins, South Beach or many other
LC, reduced carb diets.


Agreed.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 11:14 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:54:56 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sep 27, 2:56*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/


"In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The
most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting
it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free,


I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC
diet,


And you know this...how, exactly, Dr. Carnac?

crickets


Well, the very website that you constantly keep boring us with
and posting links to, as if it were some great new discovery:

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/1...ick-and-dirty/

[...]
Sure looks very similar to Atkins, South Beach or many other
LC, reduced carb diets.


Yes, the Davis diet is low-carb, but the guy whose anecdote we're
discussing, says NADA about being on a low-carb diet. He eliminated
wheat (all grains, actually), and ate only "whole, fresh foods as much
as possible." I don't know exactly what he means by that, and neither
do you, Dr. Carnac. (He also implies that's he's tried low-carb diets
before, and didn't enjoy these same benefits.) But many others on his
web site have simply eliminated wheat. Period. And got similar
results.

You can read the testimonials for yourself.

I've never heard of anyone losing just 12 pounds and ridding
themselves of migraines, GERD, post-nasal drip, allergies, arthritis
in his hands and fingers, etc. (He also implies that's he's tried
low-carb diets before, and didn't enjoy these same benefits.)

But you have no idea what wheat may be doing to your blood sugars
because you don't TEST.


That's right. Just like so many others that I've seen here
in the newsgroup the last decade that are not diabetic, I
do LC without testing my BG. It has never even been
discussed as some kind of requirement, until you showed
up.


No one talked about low-carb until Dr. Atkins "showed up," eh?

And I've never said that it is a requirement. That's just another one
of your many straw men. Really, you are to straw men what Saudi Arabia
is to oil.

You also have no idea what effects wheat may be having on YOU, because
you've never known life without wheat.

And over time, elevated blood sugars can cause diabetes, elevated
LDL-P counts, heart attacks, strokes, fibromyalgia, blindness, etc.

As I reflected in a previous post, millions of people with diabetes do
NOT know they have diabetes.

They, not unlike yourself, prefer to unscrew the engine warning lights
in their "cars."

Good luck with that!

Gee, and I still eat some wheat. *Imagine that!


That's your choice, of course, but others may decide to pursue a much
different way of eating. A healthier way of eating.


I have a couple slices of Pepperidge farms CarbStyle bread,
with a whopping 5g of carb per slice and it's unhealthy?


That basically depends on what it does to your blood glucose levels,
and how often it does it, and for how long you allow it to go on.
Since you don't have a clue (in more ways than one, eh?), you have no
idea whether it's unhealthy for you or not, which, I understand, is
how you prefer it.

Healthier according to whom? You?


I've answered that question already.

"The same guy that
says HIV is harmless? The guy that says HIV doesn't cause
AIDS? The guy that claims no virus can cause cancer?
Given what you think is sound science, why would anyone listen
to you?


Well, if they want to PREVENT disease, I'm a pretty good guy to listen
to.

On the other hand, if they'd rather take drugs, get injected on a
daily basis, die prematurely, suffer illness, spend a good part of
their lives in doctors' offices, etc., "You da man!"

Do you have to shill multiple times a *day for the wheat
belly book?


Do you have to shill multiple times a day for a very, very sloppy way
of low-carb eating? Or for BigPharma? Or for ADM? Or for AIDS, Inc?


I'm not the one starting post after post here,


So what? You can't even make a post without mentioning AIDS.

You've effectively been reduced to a one-trick pony.

And I get a big kick out of that!

many of them about this wheat belly crap.


And the best part of that?

You can't do a freakin' thing about it!

And I'm not the one with the compelling need
to have the last say on virtually every topic.


Me neither, but I'm willing to respond to questions, etc., and as long
as someone has one, I'll take a crack at it.

But most importantly, I'm more than willing to keep kicking you in the
teeth each time you gnaw on my ankles. I consider it a moral
obligation, in fact.

Go back and look at
who
has started most of the posts for the last few months and who ends
almost
every one.


I've started most of them, of course. But then, I can't force anyone
to introduce a subject or post information here, so...

It didn't used to be like that, until you showed up.


Yeah, it was mostly DEAD here. And you probably had a hand in KILLING
it.

And that's probably what you'd prefer.

Well, guess again.

Asshole.

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..................../..../
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...........''...\.......... _.·´
.............\..............(
...............\.............\...

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old September 27th, 2012, 07:07 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 9/27/2012 2:25 PM, Dogman wrote:

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/

"In the month since I started, I’ve lost twelve pounds so far. The
most remarkable thing for me, though–-and I wasn’t really expecting
it–-is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I
have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine
sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill
my prescription for Imitrex.

"If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the
migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. But my chronic
annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also
disappeared; I’ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I’ve
stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking
omeprazole for GERD–-no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy
levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily
aches and pains–-especially arthritis in my hands and fingers–-have
disappeared."

"I’ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis’s book,
but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the
milk-free pudding: I’ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has
truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and
well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that
inspired me to give it a try.

"To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment.
Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens."

Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"!


You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the
grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then?
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Old September 27th, 2012, 08:54 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:07:55 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

[...]
"To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment.
Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens."

Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"!


You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the
grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then?


Your time in my kill file has apparently expired, James, so I'll try
to answer that question.

Yes, anecdotes can be very informative, and I'm sure there have been
many people helped by whoever Jenny Lind is, Weight Watchers, etc.

But anecdotes, just like "studies," should always be taken with a
grain of salt, i.e., skepticism. Including the one above.

Like I tried to explain in a previous post, when Dr. Atkins published
his first book, there really weren't any "studies" that gave much
credence to his ideas. But millions of people read his book, tried his
low-carb way of eating, lost weight, felt much better, improved their
health markers, etc. And by doing that, many of them saved their own
lives. Pretty cool, eh?

These people didn't wait around for "studies." They heard something
that made sense to them, they tried it, they got measured, and they
were handsomely rewarded.

So whatever anecdotes you've read about, say, Weight Watchers dieters,
need to be TESTED on yourself to see if they apply to you, too. Can
some people lose weight on Weight Watchers? Absolutely. Can you? Well,
you won't know unless you try it. Can Weight Watchers improve a
person's health markers? Sure. But will they improve yours? You can't
know that until you try it, and then get TESTED.

The only way to find out what effect eliminating wheat from your diet
will have on YOU is to try it YOURSELF for 30 days or so (like the guy
in the post above, and many others on Dr. Davis' web site) and see for
YOURSELF.

There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself,
because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get
from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your
blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is
another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't
go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings,
GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and
he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say.

So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and
then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the
perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It
apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave
you the confidence to try low-carb?

--
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about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
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Old September 27th, 2012, 09:05 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 9/27/2012 4:54 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:07:55 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

[...]
"To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment.
Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens."

Nooooo! Don't do thaaaat! Wait for a freakin' "study"!


You can find similar anecdotes for Jenny Lind, Weight Watchers, the
grapefruit diet, the low fat diet, etc. Should we not do any studies at all then?


Your time in my kill file has apparently expired, James, so I'll try
to answer that question.

Yes, anecdotes can be very informative, and I'm sure there have been
many people helped by whoever Jenny Lind is, Weight Watchers, etc.

But anecdotes, just like "studies," should always be taken with a
grain of salt, i.e., skepticism. Including the one above.

Like I tried to explain in a previous post, when Dr. Atkins published
his first book, there really weren't any "studies" that gave much
credence to his ideas. But millions of people read his book, tried his
low-carb way of eating, lost weight, felt much better, improved their
health markers, etc. And by doing that, many of them saved their own
lives. Pretty cool, eh?

These people didn't wait around for "studies." They heard something
that made sense to them, they tried it, they got measured, and they
were handsomely rewarded.

So whatever anecdotes you've read about, say, Weight Watchers dieters,
need to be TESTED on yourself to see if they apply to you, too. Can
some people lose weight on Weight Watchers? Absolutely. Can you? Well,
you won't know unless you try it. Can Weight Watchers improve a
person's health markers? Sure. But will they improve yours? You can't
know that until you try it, and then get TESTED.

The only way to find out what effect eliminating wheat from your diet
will have on YOU is to try it YOURSELF for 30 days or so (like the guy
in the post above, and many others on Dr. Davis' web site) and see for
YOURSELF.

There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself,
because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get
from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your
blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is
another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't
go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings,
GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and
he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say.

So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and
then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the
perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It
apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave
you the confidence to try low-carb?


There are studies as you very well know.

The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence but humans have
evolved to consider it to be the strongest form of evidence. Curious, no?

The problems with n=1 anecdotes are placebo effects, confounding factors
that may not have been measured, false attribution, simple errors, etc. A randomized study with
proper controls tends to minimize all of those.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 09:28 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:05:49 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

[...]
There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself,
because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get
from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your
blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is
another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't
go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings,
GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and
he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say.

So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and
then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the
perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It
apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave
you the confidence to try low-carb?


There are studies as you very well know.


Yeah, but which one convinced you to try it? Surely you must have that
one on the tip of your tongue, eh?

The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence


There is nothing scientific about anecdotes. There's also nothing
scientific about many (maybe most) "studies."

And unless you truly understand the Scientific Method (and most
scientists do not, and virtually no layperson does, and many of the
writers/designers of these "studies" rely on that), and are capable of
properly perusing whether a particular "study" conforms to it, that
"study" can be little more than an anecdote camouflaged as a "study."

but humans have
evolved to consider it to be the strongest form of evidence.


Can you point to a "study" that backs up your claim?

The problems with n=1 anecdotes are placebo effects,


That's not a problem at all! Who cares if it's a placebo effect (if
it actually is)? If it works for YOU, that's all that matters.

What if your weight loss was a placebo effect? Would you care?

confounding factors
that may not have been measured, false attribution, simple errors, etc. A randomized study with
proper controls tends to minimize all of those.


Well, keep waiting then, James.

Tick tick tick...

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Dogman

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about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman
 




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