Heart poison

On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:25:41 -0700 (PDT), "
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No, you have it backwards. It was PUSHED on the public for purely
political reasons.


You just can't read. I specifically said:

"But as Doug and I pointed out, the companies are just
responding to what the mainstream opinion was which
created demand for a product.

You said the public was demanding it. It wasn't. It was PUSHED on the
public, totally because of political, not scientific, considerations.

You can claim otherwise until the cows come home, but that's exactly
what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFQc2kxm9c

* The public was told and accepted that
margarine was a safe substitute for butter, which was bad.

But the scientists KNEW it was bad! They protested vigorously (there
are videos of it all over the net), but the politicians still won the
day. Government is the enemy. Big Food are their cronies.

No, that's in your jaundiced conspiracy world view, where the
scientists decades ago knew that margarine was bad for you.

The scientists knew that there was nothing wrong with butter
(saturated fat, etc.), and that the long-term affects of eating
trans-fat were unknown (until around the '90s).

Do you think New Yorkers are clamoring for restrictions on salt, drink
and meal size, etc? Or do you think that Nanny Bloomberg is just an
ignorant fascist douchebag, like I do?

What Bloomberg is doing isn't the issue.

Yes it is. You make it sound like the people are creating this
so-called "demand." They are not. It's the politicians. It's always
the politicians (and their Big Food cronies).

The issue is that
the mainstream scientific and medical belief at this point in
time is that excessive salt and super-sized sugary drinks
are bad for people.

Define: "excessive salt."

If you have normal blood pressure, you can pretty much eat all the
salt you want. Of course, morons like you don't like to test things
like BP, cholesterol, BC, etc., so...

Fact: ALL sugary drinks are bad for you. Why ban just super-sized
ones?

So, Bloomberg is REACTING to what
is considered sound, mainstream science today.

No he's not, because there is no consensus regarding salt! For the
vast majority of us, salt is just fine, even desirable! Even
necessary!

Bloomberg is doing exactly what McGovern did: He's pushing an agenda
that has nothing to do with science. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/04/salt-is-good-for-you

Companies in turn made margarine products in response
to that demand and people bought it. *You can't rewrite
history, we were there and say it.

Pointing out that it was PUSHED on a mostly gullible population is not
rewriting history. It's simply telling the truth.

See the above.

No, you see the above.

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This is not a matter of whether people should be forced to do what
they have no interest in doing (I'm against that!). *It's all about
doing things scientifically, and pointing out ways to do it and get
the best possible results.

There you go again. Forced? Who said anything about
forcing anyone to do anything? You were speaking out against
being a little bit low carb.

That's exactly right. That's exactly my opinion. And I provided the
reasons why I felt that way. You don't have to agree with them, I
really don't care what you think about anything, anyway.

But others might appreciate a different way of looking at the topic.
They might want to improve their odds of success.

If you're happy being a chubby little man, who has no idea what his
actual health is (because you apparently don't want to know), by all
means, keep doing what you're doing.

I want you to. *And Darwin would want you to.

Nice.

Thank you!

Wheat (even small
amounts) stimulates appetite, and who wants that?
If you have some studies that show that wheat as
opposed to other similar foods has that effect, I'm
sure we'd all like to see them.

Read the book.

In other words, as usual, you have no studies to support
the assertions.

I don't. But Dr. Davis and others do.

But since you don't care...

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For others, here's a hint:

gliadin

"Modern wheat cultivars might contain more gliadins. Gliadins are
also implicated in promoting appetite"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliadin

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman