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  #11  
Old September 7th, 2004, 09:51 AM
Roger Zoul
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Miss Kitty wrote:
|| I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am
|| staying at the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day,
|| or increase exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am
|| at a plateau after losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the
|| top end of the 'healthy' range for my height. thnaks!

what do you weigh and how tall are you?

dropping down carbs at this point is not likely to help as 30 g has
certainly lessened your desire appetite. so at this point you need to look
at HOW MUCH food you are eating vs how much exercie you're getting. if you
weigh 300 lbs then 2.5 miles might be something significant, but otherwise
it is not likely to do much for you. You should consider doing more
exercise and paying closer attention to how much you are eating. Weight
training is a good option, too.


  #12  
Old September 7th, 2004, 09:57 AM
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J. David Anderson wrote:
|| Miss Kitty wrote:
||
||| I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am
||| staying at the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day,
||| or increase exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am
||| at a plateau after losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the
||| top end of the 'healthy' range for my height. thnaks!
|||
||
|| Do you walk briskly?
||
|| I have several extremely overweight women in my neighborhood who walk
|| every day but never seem to drop weight or appear fitter. The
|| problem is
|| they are just ambling along, at little more than a stroll. They
|| might as
|| well be standing in front of their refrigerator for all the value
|| that
|| their walking is providing for them. I walk daily (with my dogs) at a
|| rate of 7.7 KPH (4.5 MPH) in an area with hills and river paths. I
|| calculate that by the time it takes me to cover an accurately
|| measured distance. I get the benefit of a reasonably good cardio
|| work-out but
|| whenever I pass these women, I can see that they don't. They are
|| strolling along, amicably chatting to each other with no signs of
|| effort
|| or increased cardio intensity. This is not how walking for fitness
|| works.

If they are extremely overweight, then they walking may have benefits for
them in terms of fitness. Just because they aren't losing weight doesn't
mean their fitness is not improving. They could be just sitting on the
couch, you know.

||
|| One of the Polar style heart rate monitors can be a very valuable
|| asset
|| when exercising, they will indicate when you are in the right cardio
|| range and also warn if you exceed or drop below an optimum level.

What is the right cardio range and what is an optimum level?

|| They
|| also generate computer charts that show your increased cardio fitness
|| levels when involved in any aerobic activity.
||
|| What ever you do, don't drop more carbs, you would be better of
|| increasing both carbs and exercise (slowly).
||
|| Regardless of how many fanatics on these groups proclaim that long
|| term induction is both safe and working, (for them, they hope) it
|| has a very definite risk associated with it, an unnecessary risk.
|| You risk loss of minerals from your bones as well as kidney damage.

Oh boy...

|| These people claiming
|| long term induction is perfectly safe have absolutely no way of
|| knowing whether they have damaged their health or not, as the damage
|| is not immediate, it is in the form of reduced efficiency and
|| longevity of
|| vital organs. At autopsy their relatives can find out how right or
|| wrong
|| they are.

And what will reveal how right or wrong you are?

||
|| I do not *know* that they are wrong, nor can they or anyone else know
|| that they are right. As there is a strong body of evidence supporting
|| the likelihood of long term ketosis being dangerous,

Cites, please....induction and ketosis are not the same thing.


I feel that it
|| is
|| far safer to err on the side of caution, that way you are not
|| risking a shortened life or the eventual loss of quality of life.
|| You are trying
|| hard to lose weight and get fit, to increase your quality of life,
|| so it seems non-productive to risk it when other proven ways can
|| work just as
|| well, even if they do take a little more effort.

The OP is not on induction.

||
||
|| Regards
||
|| David
||
||
|| --
||
|| To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject
|| line.
||
|| All other mail is automatically deleted.


  #13  
Old September 7th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Roger Zoul
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J. David Anderson wrote:
|| Miss Kitty wrote:
||
||| I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am
||| staying at the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day,
||| or increase exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am
||| at a plateau after losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the
||| top end of the 'healthy' range for my height. thnaks!
|||
||
|| Do you walk briskly?
||
|| I have several extremely overweight women in my neighborhood who walk
|| every day but never seem to drop weight or appear fitter. The
|| problem is
|| they are just ambling along, at little more than a stroll. They
|| might as
|| well be standing in front of their refrigerator for all the value
|| that
|| their walking is providing for them. I walk daily (with my dogs) at a
|| rate of 7.7 KPH (4.5 MPH) in an area with hills and river paths. I
|| calculate that by the time it takes me to cover an accurately
|| measured distance. I get the benefit of a reasonably good cardio
|| work-out but
|| whenever I pass these women, I can see that they don't. They are
|| strolling along, amicably chatting to each other with no signs of
|| effort
|| or increased cardio intensity. This is not how walking for fitness
|| works.

If they are extremely overweight, then they walking may have benefits for
them in terms of fitness. Just because they aren't losing weight doesn't
mean their fitness is not improving. They could be just sitting on the
couch, you know.

||
|| One of the Polar style heart rate monitors can be a very valuable
|| asset
|| when exercising, they will indicate when you are in the right cardio
|| range and also warn if you exceed or drop below an optimum level.

What is the right cardio range and what is an optimum level?

|| They
|| also generate computer charts that show your increased cardio fitness
|| levels when involved in any aerobic activity.
||
|| What ever you do, don't drop more carbs, you would be better of
|| increasing both carbs and exercise (slowly).
||
|| Regardless of how many fanatics on these groups proclaim that long
|| term induction is both safe and working, (for them, they hope) it
|| has a very definite risk associated with it, an unnecessary risk.
|| You risk loss of minerals from your bones as well as kidney damage.

Oh boy...

|| These people claiming
|| long term induction is perfectly safe have absolutely no way of
|| knowing whether they have damaged their health or not, as the damage
|| is not immediate, it is in the form of reduced efficiency and
|| longevity of
|| vital organs. At autopsy their relatives can find out how right or
|| wrong
|| they are.

And what will reveal how right or wrong you are?

||
|| I do not *know* that they are wrong, nor can they or anyone else know
|| that they are right. As there is a strong body of evidence supporting
|| the likelihood of long term ketosis being dangerous,

Cites, please....induction and ketosis are not the same thing.


I feel that it
|| is
|| far safer to err on the side of caution, that way you are not
|| risking a shortened life or the eventual loss of quality of life.
|| You are trying
|| hard to lose weight and get fit, to increase your quality of life,
|| so it seems non-productive to risk it when other proven ways can
|| work just as
|| well, even if they do take a little more effort.

The OP is not on induction.

||
||
|| Regards
||
|| David
||
||
|| --
||
|| To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject
|| line.
||
|| All other mail is automatically deleted.


  #14  
Old September 7th, 2004, 04:10 PM
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Count calories.

Use http://www.FitDay.com

"Miss Kitty" wrote in message
newsz5%[email protected]_s04...
I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying

at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!




  #15  
Old September 7th, 2004, 04:10 PM
Cubit
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Count calories.

Use http://www.FitDay.com

"Miss Kitty" wrote in message
newsz5%[email protected]_s04...
I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying

at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!




  #16  
Old September 7th, 2004, 04:10 PM
Cubit
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Count calories.

Use http://www.FitDay.com

"Miss Kitty" wrote in message
newsz5%[email protected]_s04...
I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying

at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!




  #17  
Old September 7th, 2004, 10:34 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars
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J. David Anderson wrote:

Miss Kitty wrote:

I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!


Do you walk briskly?


is that the only type of exercise there is?
  #18  
Old September 7th, 2004, 10:34 PM
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J. David Anderson wrote:

Miss Kitty wrote:

I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!


Do you walk briskly?


is that the only type of exercise there is?
  #19  
Old September 7th, 2004, 10:43 PM
Daniel Hoffmeister
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Miss Kitty wrote:
I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!


See if there is a fitness center or clinic in the area that can do a BMI
measurement via underwater weighing. You may be just fine where you are
and a victim of the standard BMI charts. This is also called 'hydrostatic
weighing'.

If you take up weight training as some others suggest (a good suggestion,
of course), it is possible that you will lose fat without losing weight,
all the more reason to get an accurate BMI.

I plan to go get one done soon since I think I may have set my goal
weight too low. With supposedly 20 lbs to go, it's hard for me to see
where else it can come off.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

  #20  
Old September 7th, 2004, 10:43 PM
Daniel Hoffmeister
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Miss Kitty wrote:
I am eating about 30 net carbs daily, walk 2.5 miles 6xWk, and am staying at
the same weight. should I drop back to 20 net carbs/day, or increase
exercise? or both? I've been on this for a year and am at a plateau after
losing 40lbs. I have 10 more to go to be in the top end of the 'healthy'
range for my height. thnaks!


See if there is a fitness center or clinic in the area that can do a BMI
measurement via underwater weighing. You may be just fine where you are
and a victim of the standard BMI charts. This is also called 'hydrostatic
weighing'.

If you take up weight training as some others suggest (a good suggestion,
of course), it is possible that you will lose fat without losing weight,
all the more reason to get an accurate BMI.

I plan to go get one done soon since I think I may have set my goal
weight too low. With supposedly 20 lbs to go, it's hard for me to see
where else it can come off.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

 




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