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"roger" wrote in message news On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:21:17 GMT, "David" wrote: "roger" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:47:51 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote: Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. Please provide proof that it is the Word of God and not the word or someone who claims that it is the Word of God. Roger Roger - it is impossible to try to be logical with people who are imbued with religious belief. Quite correct. But his response should make it clear that he has a double standard for proof. He seems to want others to provide proof of their assertions but does not do likewise. Religion is simply a matter of faith although some think that their belief is objectively true. The only problem is that they cannot provide the objective proof of their assertions. Roger Exactly. If Neil Armstrong on his moon landing managed somehow to seed life on the moon - then in coming milleniums to the moon people he would be "god". So even if it could be proved that there is a 'god' as such it goes against my grain that he has to be worshipped. |
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:35:57 GMT, "David"
wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:17:03 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:12:39 GMT, "OmegaZero2003" wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message rosie read and post wrote: [...] i like your christ, I do not like your christians, your christians are so unlike your christ. .............................................gandh i Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. If He choses to prove it to you, He will. He is not a He ; it is consciousness without an object or subject. Greater minds than ours have grappled with this vexing concept since man's earliest comprehension of his own mortality. The simple answer is that it is all way beyond our futile aspirations to make some meaning to what is meaningless. I think you mean it is pointless to try to conceive of the inconceivable ("meaningless" would be the wrong word, right?) It is probably semantics David, as either way would indicate that we are all in deep ****! ;o) not wishing to be a troll, but I was hoping that Hoffy might help us shed some light on all this The last post I had from "Hoffy" was quite conciliatory, so true to my word I shall not be offensive unless further provoked! ;o) The excitement in the land of Oz must be gathering pace, as the great competition is about to explode upon us. I do hope it lives up to expectations; the anticipation is palpable in my own club. What a feast to look forward to; and England are turning their best side out against lowly Georgia - that could be asking for trouble! I do hope not! nervous grin |
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"John HUDSON" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:35:57 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:17:03 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:12:39 GMT, "OmegaZero2003" wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message rosie read and post wrote: [...] i like your christ, I do not like your christians, your christians are so unlike your christ. .............................................gandh i Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. If He choses to prove it to you, He will. He is not a He ; it is consciousness without an object or subject. Greater minds than ours have grappled with this vexing concept since man's earliest comprehension of his own mortality. The simple answer is that it is all way beyond our futile aspirations to make some meaning to what is meaningless. I think you mean it is pointless to try to conceive of the inconceivable ("meaningless" would be the wrong word, right?) It is probably semantics David, as either way would indicate that we are all in deep ****! ;o) not wishing to be a troll, but I was hoping that Hoffy might help us shed some light on all this The last post I had from "Hoffy" was quite conciliatory, so true to my word I shall not be offensive unless further provoked! ;o) The excitement in the land of Oz must be gathering pace, as the great competition is about to explode upon us. I do hope it lives up to expectations; the anticipation is palpable in my own club. What a feast to look forward to; and England are turning their best side out against lowly Georgia - that could be asking for trouble! I do hope not! nervous grin yep, it's a big deal here alright - don't forget that $20 (US$) |
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:50:57 -0400, "John M. Williams"
wrote: "OmegaZero2003" wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:. DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: rosie read and post wrote: [...] i like your christ, I do not like your christians, your christians are so unlike your christ. .............................................gandh i Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. If He choses to prove it to you, He will. He is not a He ; it is consciousness without an object or subject. Well, according to the reference which Chung cites, God IS The Word. And The Word has been around since the beginning. But that invites the question, "What is The Word?" Buh buh buh bird is the word. |
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:51:50 -0400, Blue Mu_n
wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:25:20 +1000, "DRS" wrote: Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Dig up their respective graves. One has bones, the latter nothing. Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Dig up Louis XIV's grave while you're at it. Bet his bones have rotted. Does that make him an immortal space fairy too? |
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"Chupacabra" wrote in message
... Buh buh buh bird is the word. yyyyyyyyyyep. (pah pah pah oom mau mau) -- Bird ============================ Contact me at lindabird --- a t --- musician dot o r g |
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:13:38 -0400, Chupacabra
wrote: Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Dig up their respective graves. One has bones, the latter nothing. Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. Dig up Louis XIV's grave while you're at it. Bet his bones have rotted. Does that make him an immortal space fairy too? In your attempt to be humorous or witty or whatever, you missed the point. I hope you find your way soon. Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. |
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"John HUDSON" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:12:39 GMT, "OmegaZero2003" wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message rosie read and post wrote: [...] i like your christ, I do not like your christians, your christians are so unlike your christ. .............................................gandh i Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. If He choses to prove it to you, He will. He is not a He ; it is consciousness without an object or subject. Greater minds than ours have grappled with this vexing concept since man's earliest comprehension of his own mortality. The simple answer is that it is all way beyond our futile aspirations to make some meaning to what is meaningless. As I always told my children, there are no answers so don't ask the questions. No it is not; even Christ (as have all the great/enlightened ones across culture and the ages) said "I am in you" and "Ye also are Gods". It is a state of consciousness that has been reached by these people; one that has been called: God Consciousness, Christ Consciosness, enlightenment, Nirvana/Paranirvana, Consciousness Without and Object/Subject etc. etc. It is emminently reachable although most always ineffable to normal waking consciousness. Make the most of what there is and what we think we know. Beyond that anything is possible, but sadly not very likely! That may be true as ther are many who are more concerned with getting something to eat, avoiding a bullet or other wordly activirties - all of which interfere with the descipline necessary to even attempt to reach such a SOC. As John Williams can confirm, I have dwelt on this problem probably more than most; it doesn't help one little bit. Then think not; meditate (no thought). |
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"David" wrote in message ... "John HUDSON" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:12:39 GMT, "OmegaZero2003" wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message rosie read and post wrote: [...] i like your christ, I do not like your christians, your christians are so unlike your christ. .............................................gandh i Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. If He choses to prove it to you, He will. He is not a He ; it is consciousness without an object or subject. Greater minds than ours have grappled with this vexing concept since man's earliest comprehension of his own mortality. The simple answer is that it is all way beyond our futile aspirations to make some meaning to what is meaningless. I think you mean it is pointless to try to conceive of the inconceivable ("meaningless" would be the wrong word, right?) Yet identity with such a state of consciousness is possible - as evidenced by a host (hundreds of well-known, thousands of lesser-known) individuals "reaching" such a SOC. And each has their own take on the manifest mental (conceptual) repercussions; but all agree the "experience is ineffable to NWC (yet some conceptual overtones - conotations from that state - sneak or leak into conceptual space), and that it transfers a supernal value to NWC (witness the lives of those so enlightened. It is doable. know. Beyond that anything is possible, but sadly not very likely! As John Williams can confirm, I have dwelt on this problem probably more than most; it doesn't help one little bit. |
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"John HUDSON" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:17:03 GMT, "David" wrote: "John HUDSON" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:12:39 GMT, "OmegaZero2003" wrote: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message DRS wrote: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in message rosie read and post wrote: [...] i like your christ, I do not like your christians, your christians are so unlike your christ. .............................................gandh i Ghandhi's dead. Christ lives. Prove it. Why should I? Because you claimed it to be so. Put up or shut up. It is not my claim but the Word of God. If He choses to prove it to you, He will. He is not a He ; it is consciousness without an object or subject. Greater minds than ours have grappled with this vexing concept since man's earliest comprehension of his own mortality. The simple answer is that it is all way beyond our futile aspirations to make some meaning to what is meaningless. I think you mean it is pointless to try to conceive of the inconceivable ("meaningless" would be the wrong word, right?) It is probably semantics David, as either way would indicate that we are all in deep ****! ;o) It is all either a finite or infinite game (James P Carse). One POV. |
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