4:1

Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs?? What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

Prisoner at War wrote:
Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Where did you get that figure?
Do you really trust the source?
With those answers you can probably answer your own
questions.

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs??

Yes (as far as I'm concerned).
But I'm not really into sports drinks.
Pre and post workout meals with about a 1:1
carb to protein ratio and lots of water works
for me.

What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

The way I understand it (could be wrong and/or
oversimplified), the idea is to include enough
carbohydrate to insure an adequate insulin response
every time you eat (so that nutrients are efficiently
shuttled into the cells). That's not really the
goal of sports drinks. Sports drinks (again, this
is simply my current understanding) are designed
to provide hydration, electrolytes and carbohydrate
for energy in real time (during an event rather
than for recovery).

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

My experience with creatine is from back when it was
new and exciting. Back then there were two approaches,
neither of which relied on carbohydrate. One approach
was to take say 15-20 grams of it per day for a week
or so to reach a saturation point as quickly as possible,
and then take say 5 grams of it per day to maintain that
level. The other approach was to simply take say 5 or 10
grams a day. With that level of consumption eventually
you reach saturation and then maintain it. I used the
first approach and it worked the way it was supposed to.
There was a one time increase in weight and strength that
lasted as long as I stayed on it. It didn't rely on
simultaneous carb consumption at all.

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

I've heard that, but I don't know whether or not to agree
with it. I've read some books on diabetes. In that sense
fruit sugar is considered a fast acting carbohydrate just
like any other refined sugar. Perhaps when it's in its
natural form combined with fiber it's a little slower, but
in juice form I feel that it's just as potent as sucrose.

I recently read the book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle."
I thought the nutrition advice was very good. I have a
copy of it in my online briefcase if you'd like to have
a look: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kd6tas

On Jul 26, 11:12 am, Bill Eitner wrote:
Prisoner at War wrote:
Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Where did you get that figure?
Do you really trust the source?
With those answers you can probably answer your own
questions.

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs??

Yes (as far as I'm concerned).
But I'm not really into sports drinks.
Pre and post workout meals with about a 1:1
carb to protein ratio and lots of water works
for me.

What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

The way I understand it (could be wrong and/or
oversimplified), the idea is to include enough
carbohydrate to insure an adequate insulin response
every time you eat (so that nutrients are efficiently
shuttled into the cells). That's not really the
goal of sports drinks. Sports drinks (again, this
is simply my current understanding) are designed
to provide hydration, electrolytes and carbohydrate
for energy in real time (during an event rather
than for recovery).

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

My experience with creatine is from back when it was
new and exciting. Back then there were two approaches,
neither of which relied on carbohydrate. One approach
was to take say 15-20 grams of it per day for a week
or so to reach a saturation point as quickly as possible,
and then take say 5 grams of it per day to maintain that
level. The other approach was to simply take say 5 or 10
grams a day. With that level of consumption eventually
you reach saturation and then maintain it. I used the
first approach and it worked the way it was supposed to.
There was a one time increase in weight and strength that
lasted as long as I stayed on it. It didn't rely on
simultaneous carb consumption at all.

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

I've heard that, but I don't know whether or not to agree
with it. I've read some books on diabetes. In that sense
fruit sugar is considered a fast acting carbohydrate just
like any other refined sugar. Perhaps when it's in its
natural form combined with fiber it's a little slower, but
in juice form I feel that it's just as potent as sucrose.

I recently read the book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle."
I thought the nutrition advice was very good. I have a
copy of it in my online briefcase if you'd like to have
a look:http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kd6tas

The guys a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

On Jul 26, 12:12 pm, Bill Eitner wrote:


Where did you get that figure?
Do you really trust the source?
With those answers you can probably answer your own
questions.

Sorry -- Head of Kinesiology at University of Texas, his book
"Nutrient Timing." I also see them Accelerade folks marketing it, so
I ask....

Yes (as far as I'm concerned).
But I'm not really into sports drinks.
Pre and post workout meals with about a 1:1
carb to protein ratio and lots of water works
for me.

Well, such sports drinks are supposed to work like a meal, only faster
(since there's a 30-45 min. optimum anabolic window of opportunity).

The way I understand it (could be wrong and/or
oversimplified), the idea is to include enough
carbohydrate to insure an adequate insulin response
every time you eat (so that nutrients are efficiently
shuttled into the cells). That's not really the
goal of sports drinks. Sports drinks (again, this
is simply my current understanding) are designed
to provide hydration, electrolytes and carbohydrate
for energy in real time (during an event rather
than for recovery).

You're right, only that now, apparently, with this "new" 4:1 idea, all
can benefit: both strength athletes and endurance athletes, since
muscle breakdown is muscle breakdown and negatively impacts both
situations.

It seems logical that at some point, there's just too much protein for
each molecule of carb to handle...but what happens to the excess
protein? Does it simply "wait on line" or is it "eliminated"
altogether?

My experience with creatine is from back when it was
new and exciting. Back then there were two approaches,
neither of which relied on carbohydrate. One approach
was to take say 15-20 grams of it per day for a week
or so to reach a saturation point as quickly as possible,
and then take say 5 grams of it per day to maintain that
level. The other approach was to simply take say 5 or 10
grams a day. With that level of consumption eventually
you reach saturation and then maintain it. I used the
first approach and it worked the way it was supposed to.
There was a one time increase in weight and strength that
lasted as long as I stayed on it. It didn't rely on
simultaneous carb consumption at all.

So how come you're off the creatine now, apparently? Carb pairing
with creatine is just supposed to be like carb pairing with protein --
the hi-gly carb increases speed of loading. Seems logical that a unit
of carbs is only able to handle either creatine or protein...and, with
the recommended dosage already so high...seems not beneficial to have
some many carbs around, despite the help they provide loading creatine
and protein....

I've heard that, but I don't know whether or not to agree
with it. I've read some books on diabetes. In that sense
fruit sugar is considered a fast acting carbohydrate just
like any other refined sugar. Perhaps when it's in its
natural form combined with fiber it's a little slower, but
in juice form I feel that it's just as potent as sucrose.

I'd rather take fruit juice with pure creatine monohydrate, but I read
in that "Nutrient Timing" book that fructose doesn't provoke as strong
an insulin spike, and that some kinda gastrointestinal issues apply
somehow.

I recently read the book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle."
I thought the nutrition advice was very good. I have a
copy of it in my online briefcase if you'd like to have
a look:http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kd6tas

Hey, cool!!! I've heard of that book and was wondering about
it...THANKS, MAN!!!! MOST HELPFUL POST ON MFW EVER!!!

What are you, a twelve year-old girl trying to start your own clique
here? I'm sure he's intelligent enough to figure out things out on
his own.

Tell your mother the proper abortion mix is 3:2 arsenic to cyanide.



On Jul 26, 1:40 pm, TC wrote:


The guys a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
oups.com...

What are you, a twelve year-old girl trying to start your own clique
here? I'm sure he's intelligent enough to figure out things out on
his own.

Tell your mother the proper abortion mix is 3:2 arsenic to cyanide.

Eeew. That was gross. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore such posts?





On Jul 26, 1:40 pm, TC wrote:


The guys a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

On Jul 26, 2:54 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:


Eeew. That was gross. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore such posts?



Sorry, you're right. I do have a **** list of folks I ignore (not
kill-file, but ignore), and I will add that moron to it.

Again, my apologies. I know it happens, but sometimes I'm just sick
of all these people hanging around newsgroups with nothing to do but
wait for a newbie question to pounce on. You'd think they were too
tired from their workout for such b.s.

In article . com,
Prisoner at War wrote:

Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs?? What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

It's only one meal, and it's supposed to be taken post-workout.



Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

False.
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Peace, Om

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In article .com,
Prisoner at War wrote:

On Jul 26, 2:54 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:


Eeew. That was gross. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore such posts?



Sorry, you're right. I do have a **** list of folks I ignore (not
kill-file, but ignore), and I will add that moron to it.

Again, my apologies. I know it happens, but sometimes I'm just sick
of all these people hanging around newsgroups with nothing to do but
wait for a newbie question to pounce on. You'd think they were too
tired from their workout for such b.s.

It would help if you did a little research before posting, and cited
some websites for your info., especially the stuff that is patently
bogus.

There are a few patient people here.
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On Jul 26, 3:14 pm, Omelet wrote:


It's only one meal, and it's supposed to be taken post-workout.

Actually, it's three -- pre, intra, and post! I'm reading "Nutrient
Timing" by the head of Kiniseology at Texas U and the studies cited
find benefits to carb/protein drinks pre, intra, and post workout!!
That's what I'll be doing, to make sure I've got all my bases
covered. I wonder if it will work....

False.

It's what the head of Kiniseology at Texas U believed in ~2004,
anyway, the copyright date of the book.

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