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On Jul 26, 3:17 pm, Omelet wrote:




It would help if you did a little research before posting, and cited
some websites for your info., especially the stuff that is patently
bogus.

This *is* my research! What better place to research than some health
and fitness newgroups! Practically real time, too!

And no, what's "patently" bogus? Sounds crazy to shoot oneself up
with drugs, but I guess that works, so what do I know? That's why I'm
asking around. I don't know why people can't just go make a salad if
they aren't interested in a topic.

There are a few patient people here.
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Peace, Om

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In article . com,
Prisoner at War wrote:

And no, what's "patently" bogus? Sounds crazy to shoot oneself up
with drugs, but I guess that works, so what do I know? That's why I'm
asking around. I don't know why people can't just go make a salad if
they aren't interested in a topic.

Look.

I'm telling you that the use of injectable insulin for body building is
foolish and dangerous. You say that asking questions here is your
research.

I've posted links to back up my claim...

And you've done nothing but argue with me.

So, do you want to learn the truth here or do you just want us to post
what you WANT to hear?

If that is the case, I'd suggest you try injecting some insulin into
yourself and see what happens. Be sure to have someone nearby that can
call 911.
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"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
ups.com...
Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs?? What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

At one time, this ratio was the claim to fame of the recovery drinks R4
and Accelerade by Endurox. I used both when I was a runner and cyclist,
and they really did work better than Gatorade or similar. I doubt one
size fits all when it comes to post-workout food if for no other reason
than the workouts can vary so much.

Just my opinion.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Jul 26, 2:07 pm, Prisoner at War wrote:
On Jul 26, 2:54 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:



Eeew. That was gross. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore such posts?

Sorry, you're right. I do have a **** list of folks I ignore (not
kill-file, but ignore), and I will add that moron to it.

Again, my apologies. I know it happens, but sometimes I'm just sick
of all these people hanging around newsgroups with nothing to do but
wait for a newbie question to pounce on. You'd think they were too
tired from their workout for such b.s.

And I'm sick of trolling arseholes who ask utterly stupid or
nonsensical questions that could be either easily answered or shown to
be completely idiotic by doing a simple google search. You are either
a complete idiot or a troll. Which is it?

"Prisoner at War" wrote

Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Speaking as a runner (long term aerobic power user):

The 4 to 1 ratio is what Accelerade says, and supposedly they've patented
it. They've got a bunch of Journal articles on their website supporting
that. I've read separately that short chain amino acids are used for energy
in aerobic mode, and lower the rate of muscle breakdown during exercise.

Protein (chains of amino acids) absorb the stomach's acidity. If you eat
carbs only during a long exercise session, your stomach will get overly
acidic.

The carbs consumed during exercise mainly replenish and help maintain blood
sugar levels, although some probably finds its way back into the muscles as
glycogen. If you've ever done a long term run and gotten weak and dizzy,
that's a sign of low blood sugar, and means you haven't been eating/drinking
enough carbs.

Most endurance runners (multi hour events) consume roughly 200-300
calories/hour in the form of snacks/gels/energy drinks.

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

Don't know about distance runners ever using the stuff -- sounds like weight
lifting Chemistry to me...

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

When warmed up in aerobic mode, the tendency to get a low blood sugar
reaction to pure carbs is greatly reduced -- glycemic index isn't much of a
factor for most folks. So the type of carb isn't particularly important.

D Stumpus wrote:

"Prisoner at War" wrote


Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??


Speaking as a runner (long term aerobic power user):

The 4 to 1 ratio is what Accelerade says, and supposedly they've patented
it. They've got a bunch of Journal articles on their website supporting
that. I've read separately that short chain amino acids are used for energy
in aerobic mode, and lower the rate of muscle breakdown during exercise.

Also from the running perspective, I haven't read the more recent stuff,
but the original studies, I believe, using the 4:1 ratio had protein
ADDED to the carbs, so that ratio had more calories than pure carbs.
There was another issue with their design also - either small number or
using time to exhaustion as result. I believe some articles (or at least
one) has come out in the last few years where they used same number of
calories, but not sure.

If you look at this article on their website
http://www.accelerade.com/science/FeaturedStudy.aspx
I don't see anything in there supporting the 4:1 ratio, just the carbs +
protein approach. Some of the original articles cited might have it in
there, but I would think Accelerade's page would make a big deal of it,
if they did.

I think the endurance perspective is different from lifting perspective
although there's some overlap, so when a guy cross posts in that many
different groups about an "ideal" ratio in a sports drink, he really
does need to specify "ideal" for what?

Dot

--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
world-famous adventurer who was with Byrd in Antarctica

"Prisoner at War" wrote in message ups.com...
Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs?? What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthrepor...07/1969924.htm

Read the whole article.

T.

On Jul 26, 10:41 am, Prisoner at War
wrote:
Okay, so 4 grams of hi-gly carbs to 1 gram of protein is the ideal
ratio for a sports drink??

Isn't that heck of a lot of carbs?? What if you use less carbs --
does the protein get "wasted" somehow or just take longer to load into
the muscle?

How about if taking creatine as well? Carbs also help load creatine:
so workout supplementation involving creatine needs even more
carbs??? What's the ration for carbs to creatine???

Also, fructose (fruit juice) isn't as great a stimulator of insulin,
compared to sucrose (table sugar): true or false?

Get a life you dumbass.

teachrmama wrote:

-=snip the "That was gross" content=-

Eeew. That was gross. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore such posts?

Like you just did?

Oops, like I just did, too.

D'OH!

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D Stumpus wrote:
[...]

The 4 to 1 ratio is what Accelerade says, and supposedly they've patented
it. They've got a bunch of Journal articles on their website snip

Just saw their one commercial on the TV today.

"Don't fade - Accelerade!"

And, yes, also recall the 4 to 1 ratio they mentioned.

Dunno if it's true or not, but that's a catchy enough little slogan.

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