Paleo diet -- one month results

Congratulations on the diet change that eliminated you obsession with
food, and the need to exercise willpower.

Some of this seeming success could be just the change. Kind of like how
a vacation can make you feel so good.

Please report back on this topic each month, expecially the elimination
of the need to exercise will power.

SIgnificant point, that elimination of need to use will power.

Jim



Ignoramus15381 wrote:
As you might know, I lost 50 lbs by "eating less" and exercising.
Almost a year ago I reached normal weight, the anniversary is on Sep
10.

I ate less, reduced carbs some, but not radically.

Despite the fact that I maintained my weight loss steadily and even
lost a bit more, I felt hungry most of the day and got some food
obsessions, thinking a bit too much about food, which are, actually,
mental signs of starvation. (I can post a great text about that that
describes starvation related mental symptoms).

My main food desires were meaty, fatty things. That's even though I
was eating plenty of meat and fat.

So I was going by willpower, but started realizing that I cannot do
that for life and that, sooner or later, I would invent some
rationalization for giving up.

At some point, I read about paleo diet, read one book, and decided to
try it. The idea of a paleo diet is to eat an approximation of how,
supposedly, people ate up to 10,000 years ago, as hunter
gatherers, which is eating meat and fish, vegetables, fruits and
nuts. No grains, legumes, milk products, sugar.

So, I went on it a month ago, giving myself a month to see how it
works. I eat pretty much as much as I want, but only of what is
allowed.

The result is, I am no longer hungry and no longer think too much
about food. It just comes naturally to me that I eat as much as I
need, without a big conscious effort, portion weighing etc.

In that month, I gained about 0.07 lbs, which is obviously a
nonconsequential amount, not statistically significant.

So, so far, this diet is a winnder for me. I no longer need to
exercise my willpower on a daily basis. Especially because all those
foods are what I like, whereas grain products etc, I used to eat
because I considered them "healthy" and "prudent".

I want to thank, specifically, Cubit and Jenny for steering my mind
towards realizing that my hunger was due to me eating my morning bread
and too many junk carbs.

I will test my blood lipids after a while, as part of my physical, and
see how they change.

For breakfast tomorrow, I am going to eat a stewed squirrel.

i


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jbuch wrote:

Please report back on this topic each month, expecially the elimination
of the need to exercise will power.

SIgnificant point, that elimination of need to use will power.

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb (omg, on the
low fat that caused this weight gain, it was a constant problem.) I'm
not on Atkins, though; I'm on Anti-X, from the Jack Chellam book,
"Syndrome X."

Basically the diet is a lot like what the original poster described:
you can eat as much as you desire of many foods, mostly vegetables,
and don't eat other foods at all. Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Except for a very rare chocolate or ice cream craving, which is purely
psychological, I never feel deprived or restricted or depressed or
need much willpower at all. I eat as much as I feel like, when I feel
like it, which is a lot less than I used to since getting my blood
sugar under control, so my calories are naturally reduced. I eat
foods that make me feel satisfied without a huge portion (yeah, that
includes having a little more fatty meats and low-carb nuts than they
recommend, unfortunately, but it's still working for now.) I don't
even count carbs strictly now, only at the beginning after reading
some Atkins advice on this group, and just get a general idea that I'm
eating about 30-50g/day (any less than that and I stop losing.) And
I'm losing weight very, very well! In fact, I haven't been this
happy/satisfied with my change in weight and overall satisfaction with
my life, ummm, since I turned about 7 years old!

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

See ya,

Kristen

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"Who is the patriot, I ask you? Those who wrap themselves in the flag and pledge
allegiance to it, or those who keep the pledge and wrap themselves in what the
flag represents?" -Ira Glasser

jbuch wrote:

Please report back on this topic each month, expecially the elimination
of the need to exercise will power.

SIgnificant point, that elimination of need to use will power.

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb (omg, on the
low fat that caused this weight gain, it was a constant problem.) I'm
not on Atkins, though; I'm on Anti-X, from the Jack Chellam book,
"Syndrome X."

Basically the diet is a lot like what the original poster described:
you can eat as much as you desire of many foods, mostly vegetables,
and don't eat other foods at all. Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Except for a very rare chocolate or ice cream craving, which is purely
psychological, I never feel deprived or restricted or depressed or
need much willpower at all. I eat as much as I feel like, when I feel
like it, which is a lot less than I used to since getting my blood
sugar under control, so my calories are naturally reduced. I eat
foods that make me feel satisfied without a huge portion (yeah, that
includes having a little more fatty meats and low-carb nuts than they
recommend, unfortunately, but it's still working for now.) I don't
even count carbs strictly now, only at the beginning after reading
some Atkins advice on this group, and just get a general idea that I'm
eating about 30-50g/day (any less than that and I stop losing.) And
I'm losing weight very, very well! In fact, I haven't been this
happy/satisfied with my change in weight and overall satisfaction with
my life, ummm, since I turned about 7 years old!

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

See ya,

Kristen

--
"Who is the patriot, I ask you? Those who wrap themselves in the flag and pledge
allegiance to it, or those who keep the pledge and wrap themselves in what the
flag represents?" -Ira Glasser

Kristen wrote:
:: jbuch wrote:
::
::: Please report back on this topic each month, expecially the
::: elimination of the need to exercise will power.
:::
::: SIgnificant point, that elimination of need to use will power.
::
:: Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
:: I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
:: haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb (omg, on the
:: low fat that caused this weight gain, it was a constant problem.)
:: I'm
:: not on Atkins, though; I'm on Anti-X, from the Jack Chellam book,
:: "Syndrome X."
::
:: Basically the diet is a lot like what the original poster described:
:: you can eat as much as you desire of many foods, mostly vegetables,
:: and don't eat other foods at all. Although the book referred to
:: Paleo
:: Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
:: dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
:: and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
:: I've heard of Atkins.)

Nonsense criticisms. As written, Atkin is a high fat diet, while Paleo
(Cordain's version) is a high protein diet.

::
:: Except for a very rare chocolate or ice cream craving, which is
:: purely psychological, I never feel deprived or restricted or
:: depressed or
:: need much willpower at all. I eat as much as I feel like, when I
:: feel
:: like it, which is a lot less than I used to since getting my blood
:: sugar under control, so my calories are naturally reduced. I eat
:: foods that make me feel satisfied without a huge portion (yeah, that
:: includes having a little more fatty meats and low-carb nuts than they
:: recommend, unfortunately, but it's still working for now.) I don't
:: even count carbs strictly now, only at the beginning after reading
:: some Atkins advice on this group, and just get a general idea that
:: I'm
:: eating about 30-50g/day (any less than that and I stop losing.) And
:: I'm losing weight very, very well! In fact, I haven't been this
:: happy/satisfied with my change in weight and overall satisfaction
:: with
:: my life, ummm, since I turned about 7 years old!
::
:: I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
:: low-carbers, had the same experience?

Yes, but the OP is (was) not on Atkins and was eating way more than 30-50g
of carb per day, and was not trying to lose weight.

:: Do Atkins people need to do
:: strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
:: etc?

It depends. A few dont' get appetite supression and have to count calories
to make sure they don't eat too much. Also, as you get closer to normal
weight this becomes more and more necessary. For those that have lots to
lose, the counting any is rarely necessary if you stick to the LC foods. On
any plan that restricts calories to produce weight loss, it becomes
increasing harder to lose once you get close to where you need to be. My
guess is that you'll find the same for yourself.

Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
:: keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
:: before, and I didn't get that impression...

That's cause the OP wasn't on Atkins, didn't need to lose any weight, was
eating fast digesting carbs first thing in the am, etc.

Kristen wrote:
:: jbuch wrote:
::
::: Please report back on this topic each month, expecially the
::: elimination of the need to exercise will power.
:::
::: SIgnificant point, that elimination of need to use will power.
::
:: Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
:: I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
:: haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb (omg, on the
:: low fat that caused this weight gain, it was a constant problem.)
:: I'm
:: not on Atkins, though; I'm on Anti-X, from the Jack Chellam book,
:: "Syndrome X."
::
:: Basically the diet is a lot like what the original poster described:
:: you can eat as much as you desire of many foods, mostly vegetables,
:: and don't eat other foods at all. Although the book referred to
:: Paleo
:: Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
:: dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
:: and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
:: I've heard of Atkins.)

Nonsense criticisms. As written, Atkin is a high fat diet, while Paleo
(Cordain's version) is a high protein diet.

::
:: Except for a very rare chocolate or ice cream craving, which is
:: purely psychological, I never feel deprived or restricted or
:: depressed or
:: need much willpower at all. I eat as much as I feel like, when I
:: feel
:: like it, which is a lot less than I used to since getting my blood
:: sugar under control, so my calories are naturally reduced. I eat
:: foods that make me feel satisfied without a huge portion (yeah, that
:: includes having a little more fatty meats and low-carb nuts than they
:: recommend, unfortunately, but it's still working for now.) I don't
:: even count carbs strictly now, only at the beginning after reading
:: some Atkins advice on this group, and just get a general idea that
:: I'm
:: eating about 30-50g/day (any less than that and I stop losing.) And
:: I'm losing weight very, very well! In fact, I haven't been this
:: happy/satisfied with my change in weight and overall satisfaction
:: with
:: my life, ummm, since I turned about 7 years old!
::
:: I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
:: low-carbers, had the same experience?

Yes, but the OP is (was) not on Atkins and was eating way more than 30-50g
of carb per day, and was not trying to lose weight.

:: Do Atkins people need to do
:: strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
:: etc?

It depends. A few dont' get appetite supression and have to count calories
to make sure they don't eat too much. Also, as you get closer to normal
weight this becomes more and more necessary. For those that have lots to
lose, the counting any is rarely necessary if you stick to the LC foods. On
any plan that restricts calories to produce weight loss, it becomes
increasing harder to lose once you get close to where you need to be. My
guess is that you'll find the same for yourself.

Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
:: keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
:: before, and I didn't get that impression...

That's cause the OP wasn't on Atkins, didn't need to lose any weight, was
eating fast digesting carbs first thing in the am, etc.

"Kristen" wrote in message
...

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb

Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Atkins does not overdose on protein.

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

It depends on how much the person has left to lose. I think that probably
goes for most low-carb diets. Atkins even stated in his book that once you
no longer need to lose weight that you won't have the advantage of appetite
suppression on your side anymore. From that point on, you will have to use
what you've learned and made habits about food choices and portion sizes.
Also, I've noticed that many people when they get closer to their goal
weights have to become more strict in counting carbs and calories to get all
the way there.


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Spring
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260/208/170
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"Kristen" wrote in message
...

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb

Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Atkins does not overdose on protein.

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

It depends on how much the person has left to lose. I think that probably
goes for most low-carb diets. Atkins even stated in his book that once you
no longer need to lose weight that you won't have the advantage of appetite
suppression on your side anymore. From that point on, you will have to use
what you've learned and made habits about food choices and portion sizes.
Also, I've noticed that many people when they get closer to their goal
weights have to become more strict in counting carbs and calories to get all
the way there.


--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/208/170
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spr...=/55b8&.src=ph
Size: 24W / 14 / 10

"Kristen" wrote in message
...

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb

Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Atkins does not overdose on protein.

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

It depends on how much the person has left to lose. I think that probably
goes for most low-carb diets. Atkins even stated in his book that once you
no longer need to lose weight that you won't have the advantage of appetite
suppression on your side anymore. From that point on, you will have to use
what you've learned and made habits about food choices and portion sizes.
Also, I've noticed that many people when they get closer to their goal
weights have to become more strict in counting carbs and calories to get all
the way there.


--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/208/170
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spr...=/55b8&.src=ph
Size: 24W / 14 / 10

"Sprgtime" wrote in message
...
"Kristen" wrote in message
...

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb

Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Atkins does not overdose on protein.

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

It depends on how much the person has left to lose. I think that probably
goes for most low-carb diets. Atkins even stated in his book that once
you
no longer need to lose weight that you won't have the advantage of
appetite
suppression on your side anymore.

Can you provide a reference for this?

Since most of the people at maintenance are still eating relatively low carb
compared to the standard north american diet and consuming little in the way
of refined carbs they should still experience appetite suppression
(acknowledging exceptions). One could argue that the standard north
american diet is appetite stimulating given the role of refined carbs in
spiking insulin. Ketosis offers greater appetite suppression than
maintenance but maintenance should offer some suppression as well.

Sid...


From that point on, you will have to use
what you've learned and made habits about food choices and portion sizes.
Also, I've noticed that many people when they get closer to their goal
weights have to become more strict in counting carbs and calories to get
all
the way there.


--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/208/170

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spr...=/55b8&.src=ph
Size: 24W / 14 / 10

"Sprgtime" wrote in message
...
"Kristen" wrote in message
...

Hmm, I've been on low-carb for 6 months now, with great results, and
I'm surprised to hear someone mention this with so much emphasis. I
haven't had this problem at all since starting low carb

Although the book referred to Paleo
Diets a few times, I don't think it's considered one, since it allows
dairy, asks that you try to limit animal fat to a reasonable amount,
and not overdose on protein (some of those points being criticisms
I've heard of Atkins.)

Atkins does not overdose on protein.

I thought people on Atkins, which seem to be the majority of
low-carbers, had the same experience? Do Atkins people need to do
strict portion control, weighing of food, carb and calorie counting,
etc? Do Atkins people often feel unsatisfied and need willpower to
keep cravings under control? I've done some reading on this group
before, and I didn't get that impression...

It depends on how much the person has left to lose. I think that probably
goes for most low-carb diets. Atkins even stated in his book that once
you
no longer need to lose weight that you won't have the advantage of
appetite
suppression on your side anymore.

Can you provide a reference for this?

Since most of the people at maintenance are still eating relatively low carb
compared to the standard north american diet and consuming little in the way
of refined carbs they should still experience appetite suppression
(acknowledging exceptions). One could argue that the standard north
american diet is appetite stimulating given the role of refined carbs in
spiking insulin. Ketosis offers greater appetite suppression than
maintenance but maintenance should offer some suppression as well.

Sid...


From that point on, you will have to use
what you've learned and made habits about food choices and portion sizes.
Also, I've noticed that many people when they get closer to their goal
weights have to become more strict in counting carbs and calories to get
all
the way there.


--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/208/170

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spr...=/55b8&.src=ph
Size: 24W / 14 / 10