calories?

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"nanner" wrote in message
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from what i understood, during the first phase, "Induction", when carbs
are most limited - usually a 2 week period - many people need to take
some kind of fiber supplement to stay regular. After the first phase, a
wider variety of foods are eaten and usually it's no longer a problem.

I never did the 2 week induction so that wasn't a problem for me. I
wanted to see if I'd lose weight anyway. I did.

1st time i did induction, then when i was nursing DD i skipped it too

maize perhaps? Lee
Tayra wrote in message
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Lá~ká~ Wáná wrote:

Mankind has been on earth for several million years. Mankind has only
been eating grains for the past 2000 years. Grains are not a necessary
part of the human diet. Those following Atkins for many years are not
dropping dead due to a lack of grain in their diets.

Um. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. If only beause the
ancient Egyptians.. as far back as 3000BC.. were eating grain breads and
brewing beer.

I mean, they've found the residue in tombs. They know it was there. I
can go look in my books if you want a specific example, altho given
those books are in storage it'd take me quite a while to dig them out
and figure out where best to pick exemplars.

But really. They were. The Greeks had bread too. And while the
American continents really aren't my forté, I'm pretty sure they were
grinding corn and grains to make tortilla-like breads back in the same
epoch. That's something that irritates me about people who freak out
about genetically modified veggies these days: all they're doing is
speeding up the selective breeding natives have been doing for thousands
of years, it's nothing we suddenly need to fear.

Bread isn't a modern invention. We started making it a really *really*
long time ago. Really.

-Tay

"Stormmee" wrote in message
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maize perhaps? Lee


maize = corn, no?

"Stormmee" wrote in message
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maize perhaps? Lee


Isn't maize corn? Usually when someone refers to grains they're thinking
wheat, barley, oats etc. At least where I live they do.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 154.5 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
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I am not sure where you got your info about carbs not needed in your body
as they can be converted from protein, but you talk to any Licensed
Nutritionist and they will tell you the opposite, that carbs are one of the
most important things for your body and that you need a balance of carbs
protein and fat to be healthy.

low carbers believe that nutritionists, doctors, the media, the grain and
bread industries are all in cahoots to get americans fat and diabetic

If you do not get enough carbs, it will
start taking from the protein in your body, that being your muscles and
your largest muscle in your body is your heart. So you are damaging your
heart by not eat some carbs.

in defense of low carb dieting, you DO eat carbs in teh form of vegetables
and fruit and eventually whole grains

You need to stick with healthy complex carbs and cut
back or eliminate the simple carbs.

Debbie

nanner wrote:
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Gary G" wrote in message
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Folks also died much younger than they do today...Not sure about your
assumptions but if it works for you that's all that matters...GG

What were you referring to? When you top post it's hard to
know.......?!?!?!



it seemed that he was referring to early man.


I'll pipe in with my two cents here also. Top posting as well as failure
to not trim up the quotes is very annoying

I am not sure where you got your info about carbs not needed in your body as
they can be converted from protein, but you talk to any Licensed
Nutritionist and they will tell you the opposite, that carbs are one of the
most important things for your body and that you need a balance of carbs
protein and fat to be healthy. If you do not get enough carbs, it will
start taking from the protein in your body, that being your muscles and your
largest muscle in your body is your heart. So you are damaging your heart
by not eat some carbs. You need to stick with healthy complex carbs and cut
back or eliminate the simple carbs.

Debbie

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"nanner" wrote in message
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"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
I don't think there's any formula we can go by since we're all so
different and all live such different lifestyles. I consider myself
moderately active. I cannot eat over 1200c a day or I will not lose
weight. A more active or younger women may eat more and still lose. A
man would be different again. Keep in mind that carbs FATTEN humans as
well as animals so you may want to control your carb intake no matter
how many calories a day you consume.

yes, this i know. i was happy to find out that WW figured it out too LOL
that's why I finally came over to this side.


I think everyone is figuring it out. ) I myself was amazed to learn
we don't even require carbs to live. Our body can produce it's own from
protein. We get some in our low-carb veggies and fruit anyway.

The mystery can be unraveled by reading the many diet and weight loss
websites out there.

That's what i will be doing, this is very new type of thinking for me.


It was for me as well since I was never overweight until menopause and
thyroid problems hit me at the same time. Talk about a double whammy.

that's not the prob. i don't eat bread, will have moderate amounts of
whole wheat pasta, my carbier foods are plain oatmeal, corn, carrots,
onions and potatos, i eat loads of other veggies,

You can either cut out all these HIGH-carb foods mentioned above or limit
them severely. I eat cucumbers, celery, mushrooms, cabbage, broccoli,
cauliflower, string and wax beans, spinach, shard, turnip greens and
whatever LOW-carb veggie I find at the grocery store.

i don't eat fast food and i tended to
eat too much fatty meat vs lean meat (dark meat from poultry, lamb, beef)
i eat pretty well so it's hard to tweak. cheese is out for now - i can't
deal with low fat cheese

Dump the corn, pasta, oatmeal etc. These are all HIGH-carb foods that you
don't need if you're looking to lose weight.

Eat a lot of low-carb veggies and LEAN meats.

i am also eating alot of fruit, i've always had a sweet tooth and
hopefully i won't be sabotaging myself with the fruit but i see it as a
much better alternative to sugary treats (ice cream being the major
problem here)

Fruit is high in sugars (carbs). I would limit fruit to once a day.

your method seems rather random. we already know "eat less, excercise
more" works

In the end - that's what it really comes down to. But first you would
do well to have some idea of how many calories it takes *YOU* to lose
weight, then stay under that amount = weight loss! The more you get out
and walk the fater you will burn the fat.

i will ive and learn i suppose. tracking will help. i havea morning and
evening excercise routine and maybe after DS starts kindergarten next
week i wi'' be able to get out walking with DD.

Walk her to school if possible - then KEEP GOING!!! ) Wal-Mart sells
a pedometer for around $4 that's excellent and resets with the push of a
button. When I started walking again after my accident I started with
like 1/3 mile and worked up both in distance, grade and speed.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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1 gram protein = 4 calories
1 gram carbohydrate = 4 calories
1 gram fat = 9 calories

carbs are the same in caloric value as protein.

Debbie


"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Gary G" wrote in message
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Complex carbs are wonderful and I'm not sure why you would advise against

Because they can run 100c each. Having several pieces of fruit a day and
easily add up to 300c a day. That's the same as breakfast or lunch.
Fruit will still raise your insulin levels which encourages your body to
store fat. I myself eat one apple, pear or small bananas a day. I limit
my carbs. I've noticed in the past that the less carbs, any carbs that I
eat, the faster I lose weight. I'm stuck at 155/156 now so will drop my
carbs again.........

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
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I am not sure where you got your info about carbs not needed in your body
as they can be converted from protein,

There are sites on the web that cover carbs.

but you talk to any Licensed
Nutritionist and they will tell you the opposite, that carbs are one of
the most important things for your body

Tell that to the many people who don't eat carbs and live long health lives.
Start with the Eskimos amd other tribes from the far north.

and that you need a balance of carbs
protein and fat to be healthy. If you do not get enough carbs, it will
start taking from the protein in your body,

Only if you are starving or the Eskimos and Inuits would be skeletons.

that being your muscles and your
largest muscle in your body is your heart.

Again, only if you're starving and not getting enough protein.

So you are damaging your heart
by not eat some carbs. You need to stick with healthy complex carbs and
cut back or eliminate the simple carbs.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 154.5 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"nanner" wrote in message
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"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
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I am not sure where you got your info about carbs not needed in your body
as they can be converted from protein, but you talk to any Licensed
Nutritionist and they will tell you the opposite, that carbs are one of
the most important things for your body and that you need a balance of
carbs protein and fat to be healthy.

low carbers believe that nutritionists, doctors, the media, the grain and
bread industries are all in cahoots to get americans fat and diabetic

LOL!!! That's not necessarily true. Humans can survive nicely with no
carbs in their diet at all as long as they get vitamin C from somewhere -
the Eskimos get it from the organ meats of the animals/fish they eat.

If you do not get enough carbs, it will
start taking from the protein in your body, that being your muscles and
your largest muscle in your body is your heart. So you are damaging your
heart by not eat some carbs.

in defense of low carb dieting, you DO eat carbs in teh form of vegetables
and fruit and eventually whole grains

Most people think low-carbers are NO-carbers. There seems to be a lot of
confusion as to exactly what low-carbers eat.

You need to stick with healthy complex carbs and cut
back or eliminate the simple carbs.

Even the simple carbs can be lived without. I mentioned that tribe in
Africa in another post. They live on nothing but wild greens and the blood
from their cattle. Why? Because nothing grows where they live but trees,
scrub, grasses and weeds. They also some meat when they slaughter one of
the heard.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 154.5 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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