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September 28th, 2004, 06:41 PM
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Exhaustion, and budging the last 15 pounds
1. Is anyone here "at goal"? Can you share what it was like losing
those last ten to fifteen? That's where I'm at right now. I've redoubled my efforts. 2. Can bone-crushing exhaustion be a result of LC? I have experienced this in the last month. I walk 2-4 miles a day, and all it seems to be doing is tiring me out even more - I'm not getting stronger legs. In fact, they feel weaker all the time - they just feel rubbery. Sometimes I feel like every little bit of activity leaves me more drained. I am only taking two classes in school, but getting a job is unthinkable right now because when I get home, I can barely even lift my arms or talk to my husband. I can't imagine how other people manage to both work and go to school. Just being in two classes is grinding my bones into powder, it feels like. I wonder if it's the Paxil, but it'll be hard to know because I started the Paxil and also started this schedule where I'm out every day and exhausted when I come home, at the same time. I'm in OWL presently - I had gone over to a more moderate eating style (more like Carbohydrate Addicts/Zone) after finding that I was having my "whooshes" post-cheat, but I went back to Atkins after I found that Paxil was giving me 'the munchies'. I seem to be keeping cravings under control on Atkins. Dreia 178/146/130ish 
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September 29th, 2004, 01:52 AM
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September 29th, 2004, 06:32 AM
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wilson wrote:
1. Is anyone here "at goal"? Can you share what it was like losing those last ten to fifteen? That's where I'm at right now. I've redoubled my efforts. Yes, I dropped fifty odd pounds in less than three months, and the last few were much slower than the initial losses. You have to increase calories as you get closer to goal, not drop them. You have less fat to burn as *reserve* fuel and you can exhaust yourself for that reason. What fat is left is harder to shift as well, the easy fat goes first. I increased calories as I got lower and increased exercise at the same time. If I didn't increase calories I would not have had the strength for exercise. You also strike the equilibrium stage as fat levels drop, where muscle builds as remaining fat drops. Muscle weighing more than fat can cause you to appear to stall where in fact the fat ratio is still changing. It depends how much exercise you are doing. I did at least a couple of hours per day, anaerobic and aerobic, moving more toward anaerobic as I got closer to goal. I ended up dropping way below goal and am now building muscle weight back. 2. Can bone-crushing exhaustion be a result of LC? If your calorie intake is too low, yes. I have experienced this in the last month. I walk 2-4 miles a day, and all it seems to be doing is tiring me out even more - I'm not getting stronger legs. In fact, they feel weaker all the time - they just feel rubbery. Take a break from walking for a day or so and do some upper body or weight exercise. Are you taking enough in the way of vitamin and mineral supplements? Are you drinking enough fluid? Are you eating healthy fats? A lack of any of these can cause fatigue. People who low carb and try to eat low fat at the same time often burn out. Just cutting back on trans and saturated fats is all you need, you can increase the others. Sometimes I feel like every little bit of activity leaves me more drained. I am only taking two classes in school, but getting a job is unthinkable right now because when I get home, I can barely even lift my arms or talk to my husband. I can't imagine how other people manage to both work and go to school. Just being in two classes is grinding my bones into powder, it feels like. I wonder if it's the Paxil, but it'll be hard to know because I started the Paxil and also started this schedule where I'm out every day and exhausted when I come home, at the same time. I'm in OWL presently - I had gone over to a more moderate eating style (more like Carbohydrate Addicts/Zone) after finding that I was having my "whooshes" post-cheat, but I went back to Atkins after I found that Paxil was giving me 'the munchies'. I seem to be keeping cravings under control on Atkins. Dreia 178/146/130ish Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.
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#5
September 29th, 2004, 06:32 AM
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wilson wrote:
1. Is anyone here "at goal"? Can you share what it was like losing those last ten to fifteen? That's where I'm at right now. I've redoubled my efforts. Yes, I dropped fifty odd pounds in less than three months, and the last few were much slower than the initial losses. You have to increase calories as you get closer to goal, not drop them. You have less fat to burn as *reserve* fuel and you can exhaust yourself for that reason. What fat is left is harder to shift as well, the easy fat goes first. I increased calories as I got lower and increased exercise at the same time. If I didn't increase calories I would not have had the strength for exercise. You also strike the equilibrium stage as fat levels drop, where muscle builds as remaining fat drops. Muscle weighing more than fat can cause you to appear to stall where in fact the fat ratio is still changing. It depends how much exercise you are doing. I did at least a couple of hours per day, anaerobic and aerobic, moving more toward anaerobic as I got closer to goal. I ended up dropping way below goal and am now building muscle weight back. 2. Can bone-crushing exhaustion be a result of LC? If your calorie intake is too low, yes. I have experienced this in the last month. I walk 2-4 miles a day, and all it seems to be doing is tiring me out even more - I'm not getting stronger legs. In fact, they feel weaker all the time - they just feel rubbery. Take a break from walking for a day or so and do some upper body or weight exercise. Are you taking enough in the way of vitamin and mineral supplements? Are you drinking enough fluid? Are you eating healthy fats? A lack of any of these can cause fatigue. People who low carb and try to eat low fat at the same time often burn out. Just cutting back on trans and saturated fats is all you need, you can increase the others. Sometimes I feel like every little bit of activity leaves me more drained. I am only taking two classes in school, but getting a job is unthinkable right now because when I get home, I can barely even lift my arms or talk to my husband. I can't imagine how other people manage to both work and go to school. Just being in two classes is grinding my bones into powder, it feels like. I wonder if it's the Paxil, but it'll be hard to know because I started the Paxil and also started this schedule where I'm out every day and exhausted when I come home, at the same time. I'm in OWL presently - I had gone over to a more moderate eating style (more like Carbohydrate Addicts/Zone) after finding that I was having my "whooshes" post-cheat, but I went back to Atkins after I found that Paxil was giving me 'the munchies'. I seem to be keeping cravings under control on Atkins. Dreia 178/146/130ish Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.
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#6
September 29th, 2004, 11:49 AM
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And that was your formula for getting down to 20% bodyfat?
-- You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW "J. David Anderson" wrote in message ... wilson wrote: 1. Is anyone here "at goal"? Can you share what it was like losing those last ten to fifteen? That's where I'm at right now. I've redoubled my efforts. Yes, I dropped fifty odd pounds in less than three months, and the last few were much slower than the initial losses. You have to increase calories as you get closer to goal, not drop them. You have less fat to burn as *reserve* fuel and you can exhaust yourself for that reason. What fat is left is harder to shift as well, the easy fat goes first. I increased calories as I got lower and increased exercise at the same time. If I didn't increase calories I would not have had the strength for exercise. You also strike the equilibrium stage as fat levels drop, where muscle builds as remaining fat drops. Muscle weighing more than fat can cause you to appear to stall where in fact the fat ratio is still changing. It depends how much exercise you are doing. I did at least a couple of hours per day, anaerobic and aerobic, moving more toward anaerobic as I got closer to goal. I ended up dropping way below goal and am now building muscle weight back. 2. Can bone-crushing exhaustion be a result of LC? If your calorie intake is too low, yes. I have experienced this in the last month. I walk 2-4 miles a day, and all it seems to be doing is tiring me out even more - I'm not getting stronger legs. In fact, they feel weaker all the time - they just feel rubbery. Take a break from walking for a day or so and do some upper body or weight exercise. Are you taking enough in the way of vitamin and mineral supplements? Are you drinking enough fluid? Are you eating healthy fats? A lack of any of these can cause fatigue. People who low carb and try to eat low fat at the same time often burn out. Just cutting back on trans and saturated fats is all you need, you can increase the others. Sometimes I feel like every little bit of activity leaves me more drained. I am only taking two classes in school, but getting a job is unthinkable right now because when I get home, I can barely even lift my arms or talk to my husband. I can't imagine how other people manage to both work and go to school. Just being in two classes is grinding my bones into powder, it feels like. I wonder if it's the Paxil, but it'll be hard to know because I started the Paxil and also started this schedule where I'm out every day and exhausted when I come home, at the same time. I'm in OWL presently - I had gone over to a more moderate eating style (more like Carbohydrate Addicts/Zone) after finding that I was having my "whooshes" post-cheat, but I went back to Atkins after I found that Paxil was giving me 'the munchies'. I seem to be keeping cravings under control on Atkins. Dreia 178/146/130ish Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.
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September 29th, 2004, 12:52 PM
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JC Der Koenig wrote:
And that was your formula for getting down to 20% bodyfat? No, that was my formula for getting below 10% body fat. At 191 and 6', I was only 4.4lbs overweight (above healthy range) when I started losing. I lost weight quickly primarily to control diabetes induced by long term Prednisone; to avoid using medication, not for weight control. I could have lost the weight at a far more relaxed pace and with no loss of muscle if it wasn't for the diabetes. I am currently underweight. I took it a little too far, I didn't want to cut back on exercise, I couldn't add any more carbs without raising BGLs too far, and I was already eating at a level that satisfied appetite. I assumed that I would level off well before I actually did. Unfortunately I lost a fair bit of muscle while I was losing the weight. I have now started eating higher calorie foods, drinking alcohol etc., and have stopped the loss. It will probably take far longer to regain the muscle than it took to lose the weight. Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.
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#8
September 29th, 2004, 03:07 PM
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For me, exercise makes me more energetic. I don't know if Paxil is the
problem. You should do some research on it and see if being tired is a possible symptom. Keep up the exercise, IMHO. Curt "wilson" wrote in message om... 1. Is anyone here "at goal"? Can you share what it was like losing those last ten to fifteen? That's where I'm at right now. I've redoubled my efforts. 2. Can bone-crushing exhaustion be a result of LC? I have experienced this in the last month. I walk 2-4 miles a day, and all it seems to be doing is tiring me out even more - I'm not getting stronger legs. In fact, they feel weaker all the time - they just feel rubbery. Sometimes I feel like every little bit of activity leaves me more drained. I am only taking two classes in school, but getting a job is unthinkable right now because when I get home, I can barely even lift my arms or talk to my husband. I can't imagine how other people manage to both work and go to school. Just being in two classes is grinding my bones into powder, it feels like. I wonder if it's the Paxil, but it'll be hard to know because I started the Paxil and also started this schedule where I'm out every day and exhausted when I come home, at the same time. I'm in OWL presently - I had gone over to a more moderate eating style (more like Carbohydrate Addicts/Zone) after finding that I was having my "whooshes" post-cheat, but I went back to Atkins after I found that Paxil was giving me 'the munchies'. I seem to be keeping cravings under control on Atkins. Dreia 178/146/130ish
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#9
September 30th, 2004, 03:51 AM
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So your advice is only good if someone wishes to lose a bunch of muscle....
-- You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW "J. David Anderson" wrote in message ... JC Der Koenig wrote: And that was your formula for getting down to 20% bodyfat? No, that was my formula for getting below 10% body fat. At 191 and 6', I was only 4.4lbs overweight (above healthy range) when I started losing. I lost weight quickly primarily to control diabetes induced by long term Prednisone; to avoid using medication, not for weight control. I could have lost the weight at a far more relaxed pace and with no loss of muscle if it wasn't for the diabetes. I am currently underweight. I took it a little too far, I didn't want to cut back on exercise, I couldn't add any more carbs without raising BGLs too far, and I was already eating at a level that satisfied appetite. I assumed that I would level off well before I actually did. Unfortunately I lost a fair bit of muscle while I was losing the weight. I have now started eating higher calorie foods, drinking alcohol etc., and have stopped the loss. It will probably take far longer to regain the muscle than it took to lose the weight. Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.
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#10
September 30th, 2004, 05:12 AM
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JC Der Koenig wrote:
So your advice is only good if someone wishes to lose a bunch of muscle.... I can see that you are in an argumentative mood, but I am not so I will respond. Everybody who loses weight quickly tends to lose muscle. You can avoid losing muscle by including strenuous anaerobic exercise while losing weight, but most only use aerobic to increase burn. Strenuous anaerobic exercise can be risky when on a heavily restricted diet, muscle damage can occur. To lose weight without muscle loss, the weight loss should be very gradual, the exercise consistent. I have lost muscle mass compared to my previous strength levels, in that I cannot do as many reps at the usual weights, and I am smaller than I expected to be at this weight. I have certainly not lost all muscle, and I have very good definition with what muscle I have. I suppose that subconsciously, I was expecting to look more like I did in my first year or so of body building, rather than the way I did in my surfing years. I was slightly overweight, but very fit when I started. I have been fit for most of my life, I have exercised and been involved in strenuous sport since I was a child. I have also been involved with fitness, nutrition, and weight management for many years, some of those years professionally. This has been an interesting experiment for me, finding out what it is like at the sharp end so to speak. Bearing in mind that my motivation is controlling blood glucose, not weight management, I am quite happy with results so far. I now have blood glucose levels in the normal, non-diabetic range without any further requirement for medication. I now also have the lowest body fat level that I have had since teenage years, when I surfed every day and ate a very healthy diet. It is a good starting point for a bit of "renovation." g Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.
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