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Oh Nuts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo
Very interesting presentation, especially coming from a veteran vegetarian. Atkins improved all risk factors the most: -weight, -BP, - LDL, -TG and +HDL. He did try to explain it away by saying people on Atkins drank the most water which can reduce appetite. |
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Oh Nuts!
*... I tried cashews and they were gone. *
Then I tried pecans, hazel/filberts and walnuts and I didn't touch them. *So now I tend to keep pecans, hazels/filberts and walnuts on hand and not get cashews. It's funny you mentioned cashews as it is the first thing I would devour at our health food store, if I were accidentally locked in there overnight. ... If you're typically eating 50-100 grams of protein per day it's doubtful you are triggering starvation cravings. Below that you should look for the book Protein Power by Drs Eades and work through the directions to figure out your daily minimum protein grams. While not a strategy for the long run, I was trying to see what a 5% protein diet would do. I lost a bit of muscle mass. I suspect, it was the protein (esp from chicken) and the carbs from nuts that catapulted my weight. |
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Oh Nuts!
jay wrote:
Robert Miles wrote: Following a low-carb diet seems to help control both my diabetes and my appetite. Yup, apparently exceeding some magical number of carbs throws my hunger in high gear. The lack of carb cravings on a low carb diet may be the single biggest advantage in all of diet-land. Carb cravings are intense but they go away completely after the body's "carb tank" empties. Unfortunately it's a lot easier to turn the cravings back on than it is to turn them off - It can happen with as little as a single high carb meal if the type of carbs is chosen poorly. When you do the numbers a low carb plan is going to be high fat. Avoiding carbs tends to mean replacing some/most/all with fat calories. Fat cravings are mild but they never go away. It's what gradually drives so many people off of low fat plans. While low carbing there are no fat cravings either. Fortunately a few days of avoiding fat isn't generally enough to trigger fat cravings but there are people who don't do the arithmetic, don't believe the directions, who do avoid fat also and end up with fat cravings. |
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Oh Nuts!
jay wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo Very interesting presentation, especially coming from a veteran vegetarian. Atkins improved all risk factors the most: -weight, -BP, - LDL, -TG and +HDL. It should come as no surprise that a diet that stresses roughly equal portions of fresh meat and fresh veggies as the primary food, with smaller amounts of fruits, dairy, eggs and nuts, is an extremely healthy diet. Humans are evolutionary omnivores who are the top predator on the planet so we have not had time to evolve into an optimal diet so eating with our omnivore digestive tract in mind will yield good health with very little effort other than an eye to variety and freshness. The level of effort for Atkins or other low carb plans isn't that high once you get used to it. What meat is on sale today? Have that one as long as you've had other types recently. What vegetable is sale today (including roots while on maintenance)? Have that one as long as you've had other types recently. Also have a salad. Done. It actually can get that simple if you want to focus on simple, though it gets pretty dull doing it that simply for a long time span. Being a veteran vegetarian you're used to putting in a lot more effort towards balancing nutrients than is necessary on a low carb meat-and-veggies based system. All three macronutrient types basically take care of themselves just by having some variety in types of meat and veggies. |
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Oh Nuts!
jay wrote:
*Eight oz of almonds is also 1377 calories, 125 g fat, 16 net carbs. Too many nuts. *You need to exercise some portion control here. * On day I had 10 oz of macadamias. According to the packet, that would be 2010 calories. Oh my! On lo-carb, these nuts taste just as sweet as candy. New fat is 3500-4500 calories per pound. There's no way you stored any new fat at all if you stayed under maybe 100 grams of carb that day. It takes either enough insulin to push fat into storage or a much larger overload than that to force fat into storage against the pressure from low insulin. That link told me BMI: * 17.2 Percent Body Fat: * *10.3% Lean Body Mass: * *105.8 lb Underweight by 4.0 kilograms (8.8 pounds). And a lot of those programs run about 10 pounds under what works best so you could bounce up 20 without any ill effects at all other than being less hungry less often. Consume at least 2251 calories per day. Your diet should contain at least 85 grams of protein per day. Prior to the nut binge and chicken, I was eating approximately 40g of plant protein from zucchini, chayote, lettuce, celery and chocolate. Most of the protein estimates are generous not only to make sure there are enough of all of the essential amino acids without tracking by type, by also to keep the protein high enough that there are no protein cravings. You would have needed to track amino acids by type to avoid protein cravings eating 40g per day but long term vegetarians usually follow a system that does do that. I'm going with it being a "beneficial" craving that you don't agree with. You're listed as underweight so your body chemistry will set hormone levels to be ready to eat more. Your long term low protein intake may have been tuned for health but our bodies aren't evolved for that level of sophistication. I think you fed your body an unaccustomed high protein food and it triggered appetite hormones that drove you to eat more. When it comes to hormones your body concluded a surplus was available and it needed to eat right now. I get not agreeing with a sudden drive to eat like that, but that's my theory on why it happened. Atkins and other low carb plans say nuts are good. The bounce on the scale was water not fat. You don't agree with what happened but it was towards the center of "all is well" as far as low carb plans go. |
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Oh Nuts!
On Aug 2, 11:26*pm, jay wrote:
*... I tried cashews and they were gone. * Then I tried pecans, hazel/filberts and walnuts and I didn't touch them. *So now I tend to keep pecans, hazels/filberts and walnuts on hand and not get cashews. It's funny you mentioned cashews as it is the first thing I would devour at our health food store, if I were accidentally locked in there overnight. ... If you're typically eating 50-100 grams of protein per day it's doubtful you are triggering starvation cravings. *Below that you should look for the book Protein Power by Drs Eades and work through the directions to figure out your daily minimum protein grams. While not a strategy for the long run, I was trying to see what a 5% protein diet would do. I lost a bit of muscle mass. I suspect, it was the protein (esp from chicken) and the carbs from nuts that catapulted my weight. Since your diet is low carb and low protein, you must be eating fat. Instead of worrying about what's happening from eating some nuts while on a diet that is unsustainable anyway, I'd be focused on a sound, proven diet strategy that works. For me, that's Atkins. |
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Oh Nuts!
New fat is 3500-4500 calories per pound. There's no way you stored
any new fat at all if you stayed under maybe 100 grams of carb that day. *It takes either enough insulin to push fat into storage or a much larger overload than that to force fat into storage against the pressure from low insulin. The 8oz packet of macs had 16 net carbs. The 8oz packet of almonds had 24g net carbs. I may have added 16 or 24g of carbs per day for a while on top of those from veggies. So I don't think, I got 100g per day. ...*I think you fed your body an unaccustomed high protein food and it triggered appetite hormones that drove you to eat more. *When it comes to hormones your body concluded a surplus was available and it needed to eat right now. *I get not agreeing with a sudden drive to eat like that, but that's my theory on why it happened. I think, this may be the better explanation. Thx. Do you think it is safe to cycle in and out of consuming sufficient level of protein? If you wanted to, how would you implement it? |
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Oh Nuts!
... I was trying to see what a 5% protein diet would do...
Since your diet is low carb and low protein, you must be eating fat. A horrifying amount, according to friends and family. One says, clog within a year. I only have 7 more months to live! Instead of worrying about what's happening from eating some nuts while on a diet that is unsustainable anyway, I'd be focused on a sound, proven diet strategy that works. *For me, that's Atkins. You are right, many studies with Atkins have shown favorable results. And it does seem that, at around 5% protein, the body is eager for more. (Have you looked into the pluses and minuses of the Ketogenic Diet?) |
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Oh Nuts!
jay wrote:
Do you think it is safe to cycle in and out of consuming sufficient level of protein? If you wanted to, how would you implement it? It depends on what you mean by safe and sufficient. You are currently doing an experiment at near half the normal minimum recommended protein grams so unless you're paying close attention to the individual amino acid counts you're now below the safe threshold. Even with counting the individual amino acids it's unlikely you could cut your protein intake any more safely. If you mean alternating your current experiment with a plan with around twice as many protein grams, as long as you are currently counting by individual amino acid type, it should be okay. Your current system takes a lot more work than any system that uses meat for protein. Body builders often alternate between low carb and low fat plans. It's effective at pushing their body fat percentage lower than can be done with simpler means. Being already underweight I don't see how some sort of parallel strategy based on alternating protein levels could benefit you. Driving your body fat lower is not going to benefit you. What I do to control protein intake doesn't apply to you. I do not sometimes to drive fat out of storage without changing my total calories. I trade larger portions of lean meats for smaller portions of fatty meats for about the same total calories. That reduces excess protein calories burnt as fuel in exchange for excess fat calories burnt as fuel. It sounds like a net zero if you don't know that leptin pulls fat from storage to drive basal metabolism. But even doing that I bottom out at twice your current protein grams so I don't have any need to count individual amino acids grams. |
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