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an article on arthirtis of all things...
Moderately interesting. No actual data supplied tho.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/he...oose.html?_r=1 specifically this portion: 'For people, several historical cases may suggest a nutritional link. Bones of 16th-century American Indians in Florida and Georgia showed significant increases in osteoarthritis after Spanish missionaries arrived and tribes adopted farming, increasing their workload but also shifting their diet from fish and wild plants to corn, which "lacks a couple of essential amino acids and is iron deficient," said Clark Larsen, an Ohio State University anthropologist collaborating with Dr. Peterson. Many children and young adults were smaller and died earlier, Dr. Larsen said, and similar patterns occurred when an earlier American Indian population in the Midwest began farming maize.' Hmmm. |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
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"revek" wrote: Moderately interesting. No actual data supplied tho. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/he...oose.html?_r=1 specifically this portion: 'For people, several historical cases may suggest a nutritional link. Bones of 16th-century American Indians in Florida and Georgia showed significant increases in osteoarthritis after Spanish missionaries arrived and tribes adopted farming, increasing their workload but also shifting their diet from fish and wild plants to corn, which "lacks a couple of essential amino acids and is iron deficient," said Clark Larsen, an Ohio State University anthropologist collaborating with Dr. Peterson. Many children and young adults were smaller and died earlier, Dr. Larsen said, and similar patterns occurred when an earlier American Indian population in the Midwest began farming maize.' Hmmm. http://www.environnement.ens.fr/pers.../mistake_jared _diamond.pdf Some people refer to the beginning of agriculture as "peak soil" because topsoil is being consumed more quickly than it can be replaced, i.e. (leaving aside industrial farming) our present agricultural practices aren't sustainable. The best gift that anyone can give humanity, is to not have children. Two hundred and fifty million people seem to be the carrying capacity of the planet (The number of us that were here before agriculture.). -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
Billy wrote:
Some people refer to the beginning of agriculture as "peak soil" because topsoil is being consumed more quickly than it can be replaced, i.e. (leaving aside industrial farming) our present agricultural practices aren't sustainable. There are ongoing research projects to develop perennial versions of most important food crops. Almost no plowing, much better soil conservation. |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
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Doug Freyburger wrote: Billy wrote: Some people refer to the beginning of agriculture as "peak soil" because topsoil is being consumed more quickly than it can be replaced, i.e. (leaving aside industrial farming) our present agricultural practices aren't sustainable. There are ongoing research projects to develop perennial versions of most important food crops. Almost no plowing, much better soil conservation. Care to point some out ? All I can think of are acorns and perennials like chives or fruiting plants / trees. -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden globalvoicesonline.org |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
Bill who putters wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: There are ongoing research projects to develop perennial versions of most important food crops. Almost no plowing, much better soil conservation. Care to point some out ? All I can think of are acorns and perennials like chives or fruiting plants / trees. There was an article of Discover magazine a year or two ago with a focus on improved farming. One of its articles was about developing perennial versions of corn and other grains plus a reasonably wide assortment of other crops. I recently saw a perennial version of kale - "sea kale". It's supposed to be about as good tasting as regular (biennial) kale as almost as decorative as flowering kale. Probably I'll buy one next spring ... |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
Bill who putters wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: There are ongoing research projects to develop perennial versions of most important food crops. Almost no plowing, much better soil conservation. Care to point some out ? All I can think of are acorns and perennials like chives or fruiting plants / trees. An older article about corn http://discovermagazine.com/1997/dec/thecornwar1286 One about wheat http://www.culinate.com/articles/sif...soil_dead_zone This one has a picture of root structure that I remember from Discover http://magblog.audubon.org/unconvent...rennial-grains Or Sci Am http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ainable-future |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
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Doug Freyburger wrote: Billy wrote: Some people refer to the beginning of agriculture as "peak soil" because topsoil is being consumed more quickly than it can be replaced, i.e. (leaving aside industrial farming) our present agricultural practices aren't sustainable. There are ongoing research projects to develop perennial versions of most important food crops. Almost no plowing, much better soil conservation. Frustratingly enough there already is a new paradigm for raising chickens and beef that simultaneously grows tops soil, that is used at Polyface Farms, VA, under the auspices of Joel Salatin. As home gardeners, we can use strip mulching, a.k.a. lasagna gardening, which is no till, and also grows topsoil. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
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an article on arthirtis of all things...
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Bill who putters wrote: In article , Doug Freyburger wrote: Billy wrote: Some people refer to the beginning of agriculture as "peak soil" because topsoil is being consumed more quickly than it can be replaced, i.e. (leaving aside industrial farming) our present agricultural practices aren't sustainable. There are ongoing research projects to develop perennial versions of most important food crops. Almost no plowing, much better soil conservation. Care to point some out ? All I can think of are acorns and perennials like chives or fruiting plants / trees. It's a work in progress http://www.landinstitute.org/pages/Glover-et-al-2007-Sci-Am.pdf Veggies won't cut it. Calories need to come either from starch (grains) or fat (animals). Protein is best if it comes from animals, and then there is B12 (animals). Still a little in my "True Believer" haze. Just finished the "The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability" by Lierre Keith (a former Vegan) http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myt...ability/dp/160 4860804/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1282176528&sr=1-1 The book is filled with self righteousness, and is a compilation of information drawn from books as varied as low-fat vs. low-carb, to sustainability of human beings. (Think Taubes to Pollan, and then some) -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html |
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