Review: Bartles & Jaymes low carb....

In article om,
says...
Luckily, drinking actually appears to help me if I do it in moderation (once
a week or so) and drink the hard stuff vs beer. I'm generally down .5 or so
the next day and (before everyone yells about dehydration) it generally
stays off. Maybe it's the only time my metabolism actually gets off its can
and does some work (to burn the alcohol) ;-)

A little alcohol is okay if you want it.
If you do drink make sure you count the calories because calories can
stop fat burning if too many are consumed. :-)
--

370/292/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

In article om,
says...
Luckily, drinking actually appears to help me if I do it in moderation (once
a week or so) and drink the hard stuff vs beer. I'm generally down .5 or so
the next day and (before everyone yells about dehydration) it generally
stays off. Maybe it's the only time my metabolism actually gets off its can
and does some work (to burn the alcohol) ;-)

A little alcohol is okay if you want it.
If you do drink make sure you count the calories because calories can
stop fat burning if too many are consumed. :-)
--

370/292/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

....and if too many apples eaten...

We all know we're talking about moderation here. Let's quit with the dire
words of wisdom. Anything in excess will cause problems. I don't why it is,
however, that booze always gets the bum rap and the caveats from people on
this ng.

No one is even implying that were talking about knocking off a six-pack or
chugging down a quart of vodka.

BTW, hasn't anybody here moved beyond the early stages of an lc diet? I've
been doing this for well over a year, take in 120 carbs a day and probably
eat better than I ever have. Ya'll act like you've just gotten off of
Induction or SBD's Phase 2.

Moderation, not deprivation.
"Kevin Martin (Homebrewer)" wrote in message
et...
In article om,
says...
Luckily, drinking actually appears to help me if I do it in moderation
(once
a week or so) and drink the hard stuff vs beer. I'm generally down .5 or
so
the next day and (before everyone yells about dehydration) it generally
stays off. Maybe it's the only time my metabolism actually gets off its
can
and does some work (to burn the alcohol) ;-)

A little alcohol is okay if you want it.
If you do drink make sure you count the calories because calories can
stop fat burning if too many are consumed. :-)
--

370/292/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

....and if too many apples eaten...

We all know we're talking about moderation here. Let's quit with the dire
words of wisdom. Anything in excess will cause problems. I don't why it is,
however, that booze always gets the bum rap and the caveats from people on
this ng.

No one is even implying that were talking about knocking off a six-pack or
chugging down a quart of vodka.

BTW, hasn't anybody here moved beyond the early stages of an lc diet? I've
been doing this for well over a year, take in 120 carbs a day and probably
eat better than I ever have. Ya'll act like you've just gotten off of
Induction or SBD's Phase 2.

Moderation, not deprivation.
"Kevin Martin (Homebrewer)" wrote in message
et...
In article om,
says...
Luckily, drinking actually appears to help me if I do it in moderation
(once
a week or so) and drink the hard stuff vs beer. I'm generally down .5 or
so
the next day and (before everyone yells about dehydration) it generally
stays off. Maybe it's the only time my metabolism actually gets off its
can
and does some work (to burn the alcohol) ;-)

A little alcohol is okay if you want it.
If you do drink make sure you count the calories because calories can
stop fat burning if too many are consumed. :-)
--

370/292/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

on Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:37:32 GMT, "The Low-Carb Bartender"
wrote:

...and if too many apples eaten...

We all know we're talking about moderation here. Let's quit with the dire
words of wisdom. Anything in excess will cause problems. I don't why it is,
however, that booze always gets the bum rap and the caveats from people on
this ng.

I've read from several sources that the body will convert alcohol to
ketones and use those before whatever the body is producing on an LC eating
plan. So the calories and carbs in booze aren't the main issue. But I
agree, in moderation it shouldn't pose any problems.

No one is even implying that were talking about knocking off a six-pack or
chugging down a quart of vodka.

BTW, hasn't anybody here moved beyond the early stages of an lc diet? I've
been doing this for well over a year, take in 120 carbs a day and probably
eat better than I ever have. Ya'll act like you've just gotten off of
Induction or SBD's Phase 2.

I'm on Protein Power Lifeplan and we're restricted to between 30 and 45g
net carbs per day until moving on to maintenance.
What plan are you on? I'm asking because I am moving onto maintenance and
I'm aiming for about 80g as my max daily carb intake and I want to know if
that's realistic. I'm a petite person at 5' 2.5" and 110 pounds.

-----
Bev

on Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:37:32 GMT, "The Low-Carb Bartender"
wrote:

...and if too many apples eaten...

We all know we're talking about moderation here. Let's quit with the dire
words of wisdom. Anything in excess will cause problems. I don't why it is,
however, that booze always gets the bum rap and the caveats from people on
this ng.

I've read from several sources that the body will convert alcohol to
ketones and use those before whatever the body is producing on an LC eating
plan. So the calories and carbs in booze aren't the main issue. But I
agree, in moderation it shouldn't pose any problems.

No one is even implying that were talking about knocking off a six-pack or
chugging down a quart of vodka.

BTW, hasn't anybody here moved beyond the early stages of an lc diet? I've
been doing this for well over a year, take in 120 carbs a day and probably
eat better than I ever have. Ya'll act like you've just gotten off of
Induction or SBD's Phase 2.

I'm on Protein Power Lifeplan and we're restricted to between 30 and 45g
net carbs per day until moving on to maintenance.
What plan are you on? I'm asking because I am moving onto maintenance and
I'm aiming for about 80g as my max daily carb intake and I want to know if
that's realistic. I'm a petite person at 5' 2.5" and 110 pounds.

-----
Bev

Bartender,

I'm into my fifth year of low carbing and I've put in a couple months
researching the science behind blood sugar response.

Drinking causes low carb dieters problems for a few reasons. One is
calories. One is that it stops fat burning. One is that when people get
tipsy they tend to lose control and eat things they shouldn't.

Moderation is excellent, but if you are eating 120 grams a day of carb you
are on a moderate, not low carb, regimen and you better be very, very
careful with your fat intake because there is a bunch of research showing
very bad things happening to the cardiovascular systems of people on
moderate carb/high fat diets. As soon as carbs go over 100 gm a day, the
physiology changes. You're likely to see high post-meal triglycerides and
these in combination with high circulating free fatty acids are bad news.

This is one of the big problems with the low carb diet and a reason, I
believe, why doctors have problems with it. They see patients lose a lot of
weight in the diet phase, but then continue to eat the very high fat foods
when they are in an increasingly high carb maintenance phase which does harm
health.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"The Low-Carb Bartender" wrote in message
news:MFPHc.61844$Oq2.39213@attbi_s52...
...and if too many apples eaten...

We all know we're talking about moderation here. Let's quit with the dire
words of wisdom. Anything in excess will cause problems. I don't why it
is,
however, that booze always gets the bum rap and the caveats from people on
this ng.

No one is even implying that were talking about knocking off a six-pack or
chugging down a quart of vodka.

BTW, hasn't anybody here moved beyond the early stages of an lc diet? I've
been doing this for well over a year, take in 120 carbs a day and probably
eat better than I ever have. Ya'll act like you've just gotten off of
Induction or SBD's Phase 2.

Moderation, not deprivation.
"Kevin Martin (Homebrewer)" wrote in message
et...
In article om,
says...
Luckily, drinking actually appears to help me if I do it in moderation
(once
a week or so) and drink the hard stuff vs beer. I'm generally down .5
or
so
the next day and (before everyone yells about dehydration) it
generally
stays off. Maybe it's the only time my metabolism actually gets off
its
can
and does some work (to burn the alcohol) ;-)

A little alcohol is okay if you want it.
If you do drink make sure you count the calories because calories can
stop fat burning if too many are consumed. :-)
--

370/292/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

Bartender,

I'm into my fifth year of low carbing and I've put in a couple months
researching the science behind blood sugar response.

Drinking causes low carb dieters problems for a few reasons. One is
calories. One is that it stops fat burning. One is that when people get
tipsy they tend to lose control and eat things they shouldn't.

Moderation is excellent, but if you are eating 120 grams a day of carb you
are on a moderate, not low carb, regimen and you better be very, very
careful with your fat intake because there is a bunch of research showing
very bad things happening to the cardiovascular systems of people on
moderate carb/high fat diets. As soon as carbs go over 100 gm a day, the
physiology changes. You're likely to see high post-meal triglycerides and
these in combination with high circulating free fatty acids are bad news.

This is one of the big problems with the low carb diet and a reason, I
believe, why doctors have problems with it. They see patients lose a lot of
weight in the diet phase, but then continue to eat the very high fat foods
when they are in an increasingly high carb maintenance phase which does harm
health.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"The Low-Carb Bartender" wrote in message
news:MFPHc.61844$Oq2.39213@attbi_s52...
...and if too many apples eaten...

We all know we're talking about moderation here. Let's quit with the dire
words of wisdom. Anything in excess will cause problems. I don't why it
is,
however, that booze always gets the bum rap and the caveats from people on
this ng.

No one is even implying that were talking about knocking off a six-pack or
chugging down a quart of vodka.

BTW, hasn't anybody here moved beyond the early stages of an lc diet? I've
been doing this for well over a year, take in 120 carbs a day and probably
eat better than I ever have. Ya'll act like you've just gotten off of
Induction or SBD's Phase 2.

Moderation, not deprivation.
"Kevin Martin (Homebrewer)" wrote in message
et...
In article om,
says...
Luckily, drinking actually appears to help me if I do it in moderation
(once
a week or so) and drink the hard stuff vs beer. I'm generally down .5
or
so
the next day and (before everyone yells about dehydration) it
generally
stays off. Maybe it's the only time my metabolism actually gets off
its
can
and does some work (to burn the alcohol) ;-)

A little alcohol is okay if you want it.
If you do drink make sure you count the calories because calories can
stop fat burning if too many are consumed. :-)
--

370/292/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

Jenny, how many carbs/day are you on for your maintenance? I'm aiming for
80g/day. Is this realistic?

on Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:41:33 -0400, "Jenny"
wrote:

Bartender,

I'm into my fifth year of low carbing and I've put in a couple months
researching the science behind blood sugar response.

Drinking causes low carb dieters problems for a few reasons. One is
calories. One is that it stops fat burning. One is that when people get
tipsy they tend to lose control and eat things they shouldn't.

Moderation is excellent, but if you are eating 120 grams a day of carb you
are on a moderate, not low carb, regimen and you better be very, very
careful with your fat intake because there is a bunch of research showing
very bad things happening to the cardiovascular systems of people on
moderate carb/high fat diets. As soon as carbs go over 100 gm a day, the
physiology changes. You're likely to see high post-meal triglycerides and
these in combination with high circulating free fatty acids are bad news.

This is one of the big problems with the low carb diet and a reason, I
believe, why doctors have problems with it. They see patients lose a lot of
weight in the diet phase, but then continue to eat the very high fat foods
when they are in an increasingly high carb maintenance phase which does harm
health.

-----
Bev

Jenny, how many carbs/day are you on for your maintenance? I'm aiming for
80g/day. Is this realistic?

on Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:41:33 -0400, "Jenny"
wrote:

Bartender,

I'm into my fifth year of low carbing and I've put in a couple months
researching the science behind blood sugar response.

Drinking causes low carb dieters problems for a few reasons. One is
calories. One is that it stops fat burning. One is that when people get
tipsy they tend to lose control and eat things they shouldn't.

Moderation is excellent, but if you are eating 120 grams a day of carb you
are on a moderate, not low carb, regimen and you better be very, very
careful with your fat intake because there is a bunch of research showing
very bad things happening to the cardiovascular systems of people on
moderate carb/high fat diets. As soon as carbs go over 100 gm a day, the
physiology changes. You're likely to see high post-meal triglycerides and
these in combination with high circulating free fatty acids are bad news.

This is one of the big problems with the low carb diet and a reason, I
believe, why doctors have problems with it. They see patients lose a lot of
weight in the diet phase, but then continue to eat the very high fat foods
when they are in an increasingly high carb maintenance phase which does harm
health.

-----
Bev