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Old December 28th, 2008, 07:00 AM posted to alt.support.diet
PB
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Ever wonder if you're ever gonna be able to lose the weight ya want ?

Seems like always something getting in the way.

I just need one day where I eat too much (2 giant subs today), and
feel like an alcoholic whose fallen off the wagon.

Then, there's medication that hurts, weather, mobility, one flu after
another in winter.

Maybe some people are just weak and hopeless like me.

How do you keep going when seems like too big a hill to climb ?

How do you eat when not as active but without slowing metabolism and
being weak with low blood sugar ?

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Old December 28th, 2008, 05:12 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 28, 1:00*am, PB wrote:
Ever wonder if you're ever gonna be able to lose the weight ya want ?

Seems like always something getting in the way.

I just need one day where I eat too much (2 giant subs today), and
feel like an alcoholic whose fallen off the wagon.

Then, there's medication that hurts, weather, mobility, one flu after
another in winter.

Maybe some people are just weak and hopeless like me.

How do you keep going when seems like too big a hill to climb ?

How do you eat when not as active but without slowing metabolism and
being weak with low blood sugar ?


Lack of vitamins and/or minerals?
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Old December 28th, 2008, 08:08 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Del Cecchi
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"PB" wrote in message
...
Ever wonder if you're ever gonna be able to lose the weight ya want
?

Seems like always something getting in the way.

I just need one day where I eat too much (2 giant subs today), and
feel like an alcoholic whose fallen off the wagon.


Just like an alcoholic, it is one day at a time.

Then, there's medication that hurts, weather, mobility, one flu
after
another in winter.


One flu after another? Seems unlikely. Get a flu shot. Wash hands
often. Stay away from sick people. Have you discussed the
medication that hurts with your doctor?

Maybe some people are just weak and hopeless like me.


All of us are weak. But you don't have to be hopeless. Therapy,
Prozac, support groups, prayer, posting here can all help depending on
your personal inclinations.

How do you keep going when seems like too big a hill to climb ?


One day at a time.

How do you eat when not as active but without slowing metabolism and
being weak with low blood sugar ?


Keep track of what you eat. Eat enough but not too much. Divide the
day's food into a number of small meals, like 6 per day. Get plenty
fiber. Low fat works for some, low carb for others.

Do you suffer from hypoglycemia? Or is your mind just playing tricks
and telling you that you are feeling weak and need that piece of cake?
Have you had your blood sugar tested?

del



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Old December 29th, 2008, 08:29 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Doug Freyburger
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PB wrote:

Ever wonder if you're ever gonna be able to lose the weight ya want ?


Since the answer for almost everyone is no, I don't need to
wonder. I know I'm not going to hit numbers as low as I
would like to pick. Picking goals by emotion instead of
using an objective method is extremely common.

Seems like always something getting in the way.


That's how life works. Temptation ends when life ends.
Tempting food doesn't ever stop triggering addictive behavior
patterns.

I just need one day where I eat too much (2 giant subs today), and
feel like an alcoholic whose fallen off the wagon.


Feelings or symptoms, doesn't matter which you refer
to - Tempting foods trigger addictive behavior patterns.
One goal is to identify foods that kick me off the wagon
and avoid those foods as mcuh as I can. And to work
my way back onto the wagon when I fail.

Then, there's medication that hurts, weather, mobility, one flu after
another in winter.


The cool thing about low carbing for me - I'm almost never
ill not even when my adherence is terrible. It's amazing
how well it works to have veggies most meals, avoid
sweets and starches even with poor avoidance track
record.

Maybe some people are just weak and hopeless like me.


Very many. Walk around the mall some time. Of all the
fat people you see, do you actually think even one of them
hasn't tried and failed? The whole point of the fat acceptance
movement is not folks who've never tried, but folks who have
tried and failed so many times they've given up trying.

How do you keep going when seems like too big a hill to climb ?


This is simple, and extremely hard to swallow -

I have come to understand that if I stop trying I gain slow but
sure. When I fall off the wagon if I don't try I rapidly regain
to my previous high (cause and effect) and then resume the
low but sure gaining pattern I was on before I started trying.

So what choice do I *really* have? Try whether I succeed or
fail and at least have very good health, or stop trying and see
sudden regain followed by gradual gain. It becomes a question
of varying the details of what I try to see if something works
less poorly, or giving up completely. For me there's no middle
ground and for very many there's no middle ground. It may
be like fighting the tides, but the choice is drowning.

How do you eat when not as active but without slowing metabolism and
being weak with low blood sugar ?


Low carbing handles the low blood sugar issue so I just pay the
two week price to get into that cycle. To avoid slowing metabolism
I studied for years what goes on and why plans start low and move
up to higher carb levels. They do it because doing that avoids
slowing metabolism. That and exercise.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 06:14 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Dec 28, 1:00*am, PB wrote:

I just need one day where I eat too much (2 giant subs today), and
feel like an alcoholic whose fallen off the wagon.


An alcoholic who goes on a binge for one night doesn't suddenly lose
his job, beat his wife, etc. (obviously these are possibilities, but
I'm making a point)

It takes several of these incidents and a continued trend to actually
be "off the wagon."

The same applies to binge eating. If you eat too much one day, just
get right back at it the next day, and COMPLETELY IGNORE what you did
yesterday. Otherwise, you'll either make yourself depressed and
spiral into overeating, or you'll freak yourself out and undereat,
making an overeating episode more likely.


How do you keep going when seems like too big a hill to climb ?


By going. There's no magic to it. Put your nose to the ground and
keep going. What you ate yesterday or yesteryear has absolutely no
reason to influence what you eat today.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 04:53 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Doug Freyburger
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James G wrote:
PB wrote:

I just need one day where I eat too much (2 giant subs today), and
feel like an alcoholic whose fallen off the wagon.

...
It takes several of these incidents and a continued trend to actually
be "off the wagon."


Just to check if you understand what you just wrote - You
just denied the reality of patterns of addictive behavior and
that when dealing with addictions one use renews those
patterns. Deny all you like, patterns of addictive behavior
happen.

An alcoholic who goes on a binge for one night doesn't suddenly lose
his job, beat his wife, etc. (obviously these are possibilities, but
I'm making a point)


The same applies to binge eating.


Taking these out of order, your assertion about binge
eating does apply to almost all binge eaters, but it badly
fails the reality check when applied to alcoholics. Binge
eating does continue and eventually does interfere with
health to the point of interfering with work for some people.

If you eat too much one day, just
get right back at it the next day, and COMPLETELY IGNORE what you did
yesterday.


If this were true and there were no physical symptoms
driving binge eating behavior, then anyone who ever went
on an eating binge could simply decide to stop, stop
over eating, and resume dieting. Let's get honest about
this - Do you actually imagine there's even one fat person
in the world who hasn't attempted that approach and
failed in the attempt? Simply deciding to stop over
eating only works if you switch to a way of eating that
turns off cravings, which is of course not the same as
simply deciding.

The reason so many fat folks fail the attempt is that it is
based on a false assumption. There *are* physical
symptoms that drive folks to continue over eating. In
Atkins style low carbing there's a two week process
called Induction specifically designed as a detox program
to turn off such cravings.

It doesn't matter what type of plan you try, if it fails to
turn off cravings there's going to be an unending pull to
drive you off that plan. Find a type of plan that turns off
cravings or face cravings until you decide to quit. It
doesn't matter what type of plan you try, none of them
work when off the wagon.

Otherwise, you'll either make yourself depressed and
spiral into overeating, or you'll freak yourself out and undereat,
making an overeating episode more likely.


Both of which trends have both physical and psychological
drivers.

How do you keep going when seems like too big a hill to climb ?


By going. *There's no magic to it. *Put your nose to the ground and
keep going. *What you ate yesterday or yesteryear has absolutely no
reason to influence what you eat today.


Once you've completed a detox program to make that assertion
correct.

One hard part I've learned -

For me it's easy to stay on low carb. I've learned what carb
intake levels I can eat to not have any cravings. I've learned what
specific foods I need to avoid that trigger cravings independent
of carb levels. I know how to go through the detox program to
turn off cravings when I fall off the wagon. But the effort of the
detox program is so much higher than the effort to stay on the
program it's harder each time to get back on the wagon when
I fall off. I've stayed on as long as two years, as short as two
months. It's always a struggle to get back on, easy to stay on,
trivial to fall off.

At least it's not like when I was attempting low fat where for me
it was almost as hard to stay on it as it was to get on it. Ah
to be in that percentage of the population who gets no cravings
while on low fat.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 04:00 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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You have to actively work on your subconscious mental programming and
your motivation. If you don't do that but you try to use your will
power anyway, then you are fighting a losing battle against the
programming, emotions, and impulses that are in your subconscious
mind.

I listen to hypnosis recordings about losing weight. I listen to
affirmation recordings about loving to exercise. I also visualize that
I have achieved my weight loss goas and how great that feels. All
these things are for programming your subconscious mind to lose
weight. Then your conscious mind can simply carry out the impulses
that the subconscious gives it to diet and exercise. Your conscious
mind doesn't have to fight your subconscious mind through "will
power." I have to keep listening to my audio recordings on a frequent
basis, because their effect on me fades within a few days.

I think will power really doesn't work for very long at all. Will
power always seems to break before long if that's all you rely on. If
you want to change your behavior, you have to reprogram your
subconscious and you have to use techniques such as goal setting and
visualization to highly motivate yourself. That's what it's all about,
not will power.

To make your body and mind feel good and function well, you need
plenty of high nutrient fruits and vegetables and lean meats. And you
need nutritional supplements. The most important one is fish oil. I
also take a lot of others. I think the essential supplements you must
take every day are Fish oil and vitamin D for health and chromium
piccolinate for fat burning. I also take green tea extract to keep up
my metabolism. So those are the minimum pills I have to take each day.
I have a bunch of others but I don't take them every day because it's
kind of a hassle to take a lot of pills. I don't use any drugs though.
I only use nutritional supplements.
 




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