Disgruntled

Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't know
at the time, but surely do now, is that despite the fact that you've forked
out for the books, you still have to sign up for the meetings just to work
out what your target of points should be. This strikes me as a little
unfare, hence I'm disgruntled. I don't want to pay a sign up fee just to
get my program straight, when I've already paid a lot for the books. Anyone
know any way of identifying what my points target should be without have to
pay up a whole other wod of cash to WW, which, may I say, seems pretty
pricey from where I'm sitting? Thanks.

This site should help with the points. I can tell you the first entry for
less than 150 pounds should read 18-23 and not 8-23....looks like a typo.

http://www.safehaven.us/weight_watchers_food_points.htm


"Fludge" wrote in message
...
Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't
know
at the time, but surely do now, is that despite the fact that you've
forked
out for the books, you still have to sign up for the meetings just to
work
out what your target of points should be. This strikes me as a little
unfare, hence I'm disgruntled. I don't want to pay a sign up fee just to
get my program straight, when I've already paid a lot for the books.
Anyone
know any way of identifying what my points target should be without have
to
pay up a whole other wod of cash to WW, which, may I say, seems pretty
pricey from where I'm sitting? Thanks.

"Fludge" wrote in message
...
Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't
know
at the time, but surely do now, is that despite the fact that you've
forked
out for the books, you still have to sign up for the meetings just to
work
out what your target of points should be. This strikes me as a little
unfare, hence I'm disgruntled. I don't want to pay a sign up fee just
to
get my program straight, when I've already paid a lot for the books.
Anyone
know any way of identifying what my points target should be without have
to
pay up a whole other wod of cash to WW, which, may I say, seems pretty
pricey from where I'm sitting? Thanks.

You might want to post this question to alt.support.diet.weigh****chers.
The target range is based on your weight.

Fludge wrote:

Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake.

I want to say this kindly, and I'm using a kind tone of voice, so bear
that in mind when you read my stark print.

No book will help you lower your calorie intake. You're going to have
to do it yourself.

Dally

Dally wrote:

Fludge wrote:

Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake.


I want to say this kindly, and I'm using a kind tone of voice, so bear
that in mind when you read my stark print.

No book will help you lower your calorie intake. You're going to have
to do it yourself.

I was thinking the same thing. Except for the kind part.


Dally

"Ignoramus15341" wrote in message
...
In article , Fludge wrote:
Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't
know

That said, can you use a little ingenuity to compute points and target
by yourself? My understanding is that WW "points" are calories in
disguise.

Not just calories in disguise. They also include fat and fiber. The OLD
formula for WW points (in 1999 or 2000 or so) was

pts = (calories/50) - (Fiber/5) + (Fat/12)

The new formula has a limit for fiber, and, for all I know, they may have
changed the formula lately.

You should be able to see above that yeah, calories do play a large part,
but if you have something high in calories, but also high in fiber, it will
bring down the point value. Thus, in theory, making people eat more fiber
rich foods. In theory, of course...



Surely you can figure out how many calories you should be
eating to lose weight, by yourself. What is "target"? The target
weight? How tall are you and are you male or female?

i

I'm the official ASDWW welcomer. Here's the notice I post for newbies over
there. You may find some of the information in it useful.

--
Julie.
93.5/72.7/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/159.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

Welcome to this great newsgroup where you'll receive lots of support,
advice, and encouragement. Once a week on Sundays, I post a list of links
that newcomers to asdww might find useful. You may want to look for that
later in the week, or do a backwards search for last Sunday's post.

In the meantime, here's our FAQ:
http://www.didian.com/asdww/
our welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

Frequently seen acronyms on this NG:
NSV = Non-Scale Victory
WOE = Way of Eating
WOL = Way of Life (Living)
OP = on Points or On Program
DH = Dear or Darling Husband
DS/DD/DGD/etc = Dear or Darling Son, Daughter, Granddaughter, etc
WI = Weigh-in

Amberle3's Challenges:

HHH - Happy Healthy Holidays Exercise Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/hhh.htm

NYNY - New Year, New You Weight Loss Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/nyny.htm

THTP - Take Heart, Take Part Exercise Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/thtp.htm

RafL - Resolutions are for Losers Weight Loss Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/rafl.htm


Other acronyms:
http://www.wwlissa.com/dwlz100+/100+acronyms.htm

Here's a short synopsis of the USA program by Joyce -

How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as you
lose
weight those points allowed will decrease (logic is that your body will need
less
to operate). At 183 pounds and based on the new US flexpoints system, you
will
have a set point target of 24. In addition to this you are allowed 35
flexpoints
to be used throughout the week ... as well as any activity points you earn
on a
particular day. When your weight drops to 175, your target drops to 22
points ...
weight reaches 150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings of
dairy of
recommended per day, 5 servings of fruit and veggies, minimum of 6 glasses
of
water.

To calculate food and activity points, I love this computer desktop
calculator ...
http://www.zythra.com/downloads/points.exe

The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of points.
Points
do not carry over from day to day. You are allotted 35 weekly flexpoints to
be
used at your discretion ... can divide them up and use daily (would be an
additional 5 points per day) or save them and use them for a special
occassion
during the week. Activity points are earned based when exercising, but can
ONLY
be used on the day they are earned.

If you can afford $15/month, the online ww program might be a great thing
for you
to look into. There is lots of information available, as well as the food
point
database and journaling system.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 133.3
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Please note that if you live in onther coutries (UK, Australia, NZ, Europe),
the Points plans are different. The UK and Australia/NZ calculate points
based on saturated fat and total kilojoules. Most of Europe calculates
based on total fat and total kilojoules. The desktop calculator above can
handle all of these programs.

Disclaimer: As an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, asdww is unusual in that
most of the people who participate are respectful, considerate folks who
freely share their experience with and knowledge of WW, weight loss, and
maintenance. Yet occasionally, spammers, trolls, and flamers show up to post
advertising, false information, insults, and the like. Nearly all of the
time, people like this are just trying to yank someone's chain. Most of the
regulars on this newsgroup offer their experience as a suggestion to try if
you're stuck, but are quick to advise that each person has to find what
works for him/herself. If someone posts something that doesn't sound right
to you, ask the newsgroup, ask your WW leader, or ask your health
professional.

Much success on your weight loss journey! WW works!

"Fludge" wrote in message
...
Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't
know
at the time, but surely do now, is that despite the fact that you've
forked
out for the books, you still have to sign up for the meetings just to work
out what your target of points should be. This strikes me as a little
unfare, hence I'm disgruntled. I don't want to pay a sign up fee just to
get my program straight, when I've already paid a lot for the books.
Anyone
know any way of identifying what my points target should be without have
to
pay up a whole other wod of cash to WW, which, may I say, seems pretty
pricey from where I'm sitting? Thanks.

I've been maintaining at +/- 1kg or so for the last three months. I've
found it surprisingly easy. The good eating habits learnt over a year and a
half of going to WW meetings has obviously rubbed off. That and keeping up
with my exercise program which I've finally realised has to be for life, not
just for weightloss.

--
Julie.
93.5/72.7/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/159.9/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb


"Ignoramus30622" wrote in message
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Julie, good job on the weight loss. How are you maintaining?

i

In article , JulieB wrote:
I'm the official ASDWW welcomer. Here's the notice I post for newbies
over
there. You may find some of the information in it useful.

if you tell me ur start weight and ur height i have the books and i could
tell you ur point range if you like
angie
ps i do weight watchers as well and have lost 30lbs so far
"Fludge" wrote in message
...
Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't
know
at the time, but surely do now, is that despite the fact that you've
forked
out for the books, you still have to sign up for the meetings just to work
out what your target of points should be. This strikes me as a little
unfare, hence I'm disgruntled. I don't want to pay a sign up fee just to
get my program straight, when I've already paid a lot for the books.
Anyone
know any way of identifying what my points target should be without have
to
pay up a whole other wod of cash to WW, which, may I say, seems pretty
pricey from where I'm sitting? Thanks.

I'm male, that's the first thing to clear up, just in case it makes a
difference. Other than that, 5ft 11inches and currently about 168lbs.

Thanks.


"Anglea Woollcombe" wrote in message
m...
if you tell me ur start weight and ur height i have the books and i could
tell you ur point range if you like
angie
ps i do weight watchers as well and have lost 30lbs so far
"Fludge" wrote in message
...
Hi.
If this is way out of line, then lambast away, but I'm knew to these
things,
so be gentle. I went out after the holidays and bought two weight
watchers
books thinking it would help me lower my calory intake. What I didn't
know
at the time, but surely do now, is that despite the fact that you've
forked
out for the books, you still have to sign up for the meetings just to
work
out what your target of points should be. This strikes me as a little
unfare, hence I'm disgruntled. I don't want to pay a sign up fee just
to
get my program straight, when I've already paid a lot for the books.
Anyone
know any way of identifying what my points target should be without have
to
pay up a whole other wod of cash to WW, which, may I say, seems pretty
pricey from where I'm sitting? Thanks.