Learning How To Get Back On Track

After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it
is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be
it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost
certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter
your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to
maintain your weight loss long-term!

What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten
into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more.
Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat.
Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb
up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that
you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to
watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you
dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the
same cravings.

Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write
down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you
lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body
responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you
are prepared to survive "accidents".

For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs.

1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around
60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these
two pounds to go away.

2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as
much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen.

3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel
a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping
my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower
levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half
after hitting the "low carb limit".

4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for
several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think
a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have
intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight
loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and
reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you
can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss
accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight.



-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes

Jenny wrote:

After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it
is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up, be
it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost
certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups enter
your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to
maintain your weight loss long-term!

What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've gotten
into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even more.
Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat.
Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb
up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough that
you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to
watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you
dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by the
same cravings.

Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write
down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you
lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body
responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you
are prepared to survive "accidents".

For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs.

1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is around
60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get these
two pounds to go away.

2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as
much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen.

3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually feel
a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping
my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower
levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half
after hitting the "low carb limit".

4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for
several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I think
a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have
intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight
loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and
reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week, you
can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss
accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight.

-- Jenny


What a useful post, Jenny! Other than my Thanksgiving piece of
pie, I have not carbed up. I have increased my carbs somewhat
just because I am afraid to be stuck at such a low level. I keep
thinking I will actually eat a carby meal someday, but that day
comes and goes with me too frightened to do it. This is a demon I
have to face sometime. I need to do it and and see that I can
then go right back to eating LC. I think for me the planning is
essential.... Will that be enough though? I guess I'll never
know unless I do it.... Maybe while my daughter is on vacation,
we can go have some dim sum.

--
Jean B.

Great post! I have had similar experiences also. On the rare occasion that
I have a few beers, I will gain 2lbs the next day and it takes 2 - 3 days
for it to come off. Last week I had a bad experience with Christmas
cookies. Obviously my blood sugar level went up, but the crash afterward is
what sent me for a "loop". I was cranky, curt, and downright miserable.
Then I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. No cookies for me!!
I occasionally eat pizza (crust and all) and don't have any adverse effects,
as long as I plan for it throughout the day. I don't gain any weight on the
pizza, but I also don't lose any for a # of days.
Just part of the science experiment we call life : )

"Jenny" wrote in message
...
After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going
to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100
lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that
it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem
to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it
is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up,
be
it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost
certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups
enter
your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to
maintain your weight loss long-term!

What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've
gotten
into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even
more.
Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat.
Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb
up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough
that
you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to
watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you
dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by
the
same cravings.

Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write
down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you
lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body
responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you
are prepared to survive "accidents".

For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs.

1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is
around
60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get
these
two pounds to go away.

2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as
much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen.

3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually
feel
a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping
my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower
levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half
after hitting the "low carb limit".

4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for
several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I
think
a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have
intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight
loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and
reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week,
you
can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss
accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight.



-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger
Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb
Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with
Diabetes

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100 lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

Please provide the professional research studies that support this
statement.

I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that
follows is worth reading.

Peggy,

Now that I'm maintaining, I've found that I'm happier living with that 2 lbs
of water weight on me most of the time and watching calorie intake very
carefully. While losing weight, I had to eat less carbs.

I too find that Pizza works for me as long as I a) don't eat more than 2/3
of the crust and b) hit the gym. My gym happens to be down the street from
the best pizza place in the area (Antonio's in Greenfield, MA for anyone who
cares.) So the deal is that if I do an hour work out, I get to have a slice
of cheese. The common wisdom on the Diabetes group is that the high fat
content in the pizza slows down the carb metabolism. However, the carbs do
get metabolised, so it is important to count them into your daily number. I
estimate 20 grams for the slice with 2/3s of the crust eaten. This is a very
thin crust pizza.

-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes


"Peggy S." wrote in message
...
Great post! I have had similar experiences also. On the rare occasion
that
I have a few beers, I will gain 2lbs the next day and it takes 2 - 3 days
for it to come off. Last week I had a bad experience with Christmas
cookies. Obviously my blood sugar level went up, but the crash afterward
is
what sent me for a "loop". I was cranky, curt, and downright miserable.
Then I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. No cookies for me!!
I occasionally eat pizza (crust and all) and don't have any adverse
effects,
as long as I plan for it throughout the day. I don't gain any weight on
the
pizza, but I also don't lose any for a # of days.
Just part of the science experiment we call life : )

"Jenny" wrote in message
...
After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going
to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100
lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me
that
it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem
to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks,
it
is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up,
be
it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is
almost
certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups
enter
your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to
maintain your weight loss long-term!

What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've
gotten
into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even
more.
Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you
eat.
Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a
carb
up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough
that
you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to
watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you
dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by
the
same cravings.

Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving.
Write
down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when
you
lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body
responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now
you
are prepared to survive "accidents".

For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs.

1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is
around
60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get
these
two pounds to go away.

2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as
much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen.

3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually
feel
a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been
keeping
my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at
lower
levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half
after hitting the "low carb limit".

4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for
several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I
think
a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you
have
intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any
weight
loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and
reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week,
you
can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss
accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight.



-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose
each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger
Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats
*
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb
Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with
Diabetes

Having only low carbed for 9 months you have a lot to learn. Try using the
Google Advanced Groups search on this newsgroup and the word "regained".
Many of the people who have posted here about major regains were dedicated
low carbers who stuck with the diet longer than you have.

There are very few "research studies" about ultra low carb diets. The recent
one that pitted an Atkins diet against Ornish, Weight Watchers, and the Zone
found that 1/2 of those on the diet were not able to stick to it over a
year. The WW dieters lost less weight but had a greater percentage of people
staying on the diet.

Staying on the diet is the single biggest difficulty with low carbing.
Especially since when you do go off it the weight comes back extremely
intensely as you've taught your body to be extremely frugal with carbs.
Until you've done this for a couple years, it's worth keeping an open mind.
It's also worth remembering that none of the examples in Atkins' books were
from people who had been on the diet for many years. He only cited people in
the early stages of the diet. I always wondered why no one noticed that--or
that the examples were the same in all the books. . . .

--
Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes


"PJx" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going
to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100
lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that
it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem
to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

Please provide the professional research studies that support this
statement.

I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that
follows is worth reading.

I understand what Jenny is suggesting but I am a yo-yo girl no matter what I
have tried. Low fat, low cal, small portions more exercise, slim for life,
WW, prescription diet drugs, I have always gained back and a few more thus
getting me to my heaviest ever. Sometimes I denied myself everything I loved
other times I allowed for small rewards to avoid the binges. Neither way has
been successful. There always came a time where I had a bad day, turned into
a bad week, then I gave up.

Since I started LC a couple of months ago, I posted of the first holiday
party of the season. I thought I ate well, enjoyed one pudding/Oreo dessert
and a few drinks. The next day I was up 2 lbs and it took me over a week to
shed it (not the 3 days that it takes Jenny). It was disheartening,
frustrating, and a good lesson early in the holiday season. So now when I
think about planning a carb up, I think about the week I lost trying to lose
pounds I already lost once. Time is very precious to me and I have already
spent years re-losing weight. It wasn't worth the drinks and dessert. I have
found other tasty desserts that are much lower in carbs and still enjoyed
all of my holiday parties without having to "work off" the damage done. I
really don't feel like I am missing out on all of the "good holiday food" -
my god the last 20 years I have eaten enough of it to last me the next 20
years. Its only food - the stuff we should be putting into our bodies to
help us live. We should eat to live not live to eat!

Enough, off my soap box. Have a great holiday and spend time with the things
that bring joy to your life. For me it is family and friends, not food.


--
Melisa
203/178.5/140
"Jenny" wrote in message
...
After reading messages from many new dieters about how they aren't going
to
go off plan for Christmas, it occurred to me that they may be missing an
important learning experience.

After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100
lbs
after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that
it
is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem
to
be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.

That's why I think that after you've low carbed for at least six weeks, it
is probably a very good idea to start learning how to survive a carb up,
be
it a purposeful one or one that happened by accident. Because it is almost
certain that at some point you are going to have one of these carb ups
enter
your life, and you better learn how to deal with them if you expect to
maintain your weight loss long-term!

What I'd suggest is that you schedule a carb up sometime after you've
gotten
into the groove with your low carb diet--ideally six weeks in or even
more.
Schedule a carb up that takes you about 40 grams higher than what you eat.
Don't do a pig out--you're trying to learn how your body deals with a carb
up, and it may throw you some surprises. But do boost your carbs enough
that
you get a water weight regain and some hunger cravings. Your goal is to
watch them, and see how long they last, what they feel like, so that you
dont' get taken by surprise one day and catapulted into a real binge by
the
same cravings.

Write down what you ate. Write down when you feel a hunger craving. Write
down your daily weight fluctuations for the next week. Write down when you
lose your hunger cravings. With these tools you now know how your body
responds to a carb up and how long it takes to get back on track. Now you
are prepared to survive "accidents".

For me, this is what happens when I boost my carbs.

1. I gain 2 lbs the day after I go over my "low carb limit", which is
around
60 grams. No matter what I subsequently eat it takes me 3 days to get
these
two pounds to go away.

2. If I carb up for a couple days, I gain up to 5 lbs. These may take as
much as a week to go away after I return to a strict low carb regimen.

3. The day after a minor carb up (over 60 grams but under 80) I usually
feel
a little hungry, but nothing I can't deal with. However, I've been keeping
my carbs near this level for months. When I had been low carbing at lower
levels, I would be very hungry for a whole day or even a day and a half
after hitting the "low carb limit".

4. If I carb up for a couple days in a row, I will be very hungry for
several days and this is the true danger point--and the one at which I
think
a lot of people end up blowing off the diet. The reason is that you have
intense hunger coupled by the fact that it takes a WEEK to see any weight
loss. The good news is that if you can get through the couple days and
reassure yourself that the weight will, in fact, come off after a week,
you
can go on and diet very successfully. You may even find your weight loss
accellerates in the weeks AFTER you've flushed out the water weight.



-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm
Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 -
HBa1c 5.2 10/03
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger
Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb
Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with
Diabetes

"PJx" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny"
| wrote:

| After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100
lbs
| after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me that
it
| is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who seem
to
| be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.
|
| I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that
| follows is worth reading.
|
PJx,

You are obviously either a newbie or have your head completely stuck up your
ass. Jenny is absolutely right. And be extra careful; it's the
self-righteous that fall the hardest.

Peter

"marengo" marengo(at)helink.net wrote in message
...

"PJx" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny"
| wrote:

| After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50 - 100
lbs
| after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become clear to me
that
it
| is precisely those dieters who adhere to the diet most strictly who
seem
to
| be most prone to fall into the disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.
|
| I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that
| follows is worth reading.
|
PJx,

You are obviously either a newbie or have your head completely stuck up
your
ass. Jenny is absolutely right. And be extra careful; it's the
self-righteous that fall the hardest.

Peter



But they'll never fall as hard as the French.

marengo wrote:
:: "PJx" wrote in message
:: ...
::: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:01 -0500, "Jenny"
::: wrote:
::
:::: After reading many messages here from people who have regained 50
:::: - 100 lbs after losing that weight on a low carb diet, it's become
:::: clear to me that it is precisely those dieters who adhere to the
:::: diet most strictly who seem to be most prone to fall into the
:::: disasterous binge/quit/regain trap.
:::
::: I'm afraid that the statement is pure bull **** and nothing that
::: follows is worth reading.
:::
:: PJx,
::
:: You are obviously either a newbie or have your head completely stuck
:: up your ass. Jenny is absolutely right. And be extra careful; it's
:: the self-righteous that fall the hardest.

You can say that again....Jenny is absolutely right, imo.