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What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and
who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in dark grapes. In article , am says... Aramanth Dawe writes: They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice, rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain breads, apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this is still a big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and I will have to avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not going to be true for all low-carbers. True. In maintenance, I'm eating about 90-100 carbs per day, about 110 in the 48 hours before a big hike (6+ miles). From your list, I'm still avoiding the whole grain breads, oranges, and grapes, and will only have black beans when I'm looking for extra pre-hike carbs. So I think it depends on the individual's carb levels and how they react to certain things. By the way, I once volunteered at a zoo, helping the keepers prepare food for certain animals. Grapes were given out sparingly, because the animals loved them but the zoo nutritionists viewed them as junk food. I remember during orientation, one of the keepers held up a grape and said "this is like a bag of Doritos to them." And what were we doing? We were giving grapes that day to some exotic porcupines from South America that had had a rough time adjusting to a new enclosure (even though it was gigantic, about 6 times larger than the animals' previous one, and full of nifty hiding places, climbing "furniture", live plants from their native environment, etc.). So we were comforting them with "bad" food, a purely human notion. Anyway, that was years ago, and I still think of grapes as junk food. The fact that of all the wide range of fruits we fed the various animals, grapes were singled out as being less than desirable has really stuck with me. Daria 166/under 145/under 145 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 |
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(Armand)
writes: What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in dark grapes. This is in response to something I wrote about not giving them to zoo animals and my subsequent decision not to have them myself. The zoo nutritionists determined they were like junk food for the animals; I'm not privy to their research. As for myself, there are other fruits that I don't have a negative anecdote about, and I prefer to eat those other fruits. Daria 166/under 145/under 145 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 |
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(Armand)
writes: What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in dark grapes. This is in response to something I wrote about not giving them to zoo animals and my subsequent decision not to have them myself. The zoo nutritionists determined they were like junk food for the animals; I'm not privy to their research. As for myself, there are other fruits that I don't have a negative anecdote about, and I prefer to eat those other fruits. Daria 166/under 145/under 145 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 |
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(Armand)
writes: What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in dark grapes. This is in response to something I wrote about not giving them to zoo animals and my subsequent decision not to have them myself. The zoo nutritionists determined they were like junk food for the animals; I'm not privy to their research. As for myself, there are other fruits that I don't have a negative anecdote about, and I prefer to eat those other fruits. Daria 166/under 145/under 145 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 |
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Armand wrote:
What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in dark grapes. Some kinds of grapes have twice that, especially seedless. Per Netzer: fresh American type (slipskin), Concord, Delaware, Niagara, etc.: 15.8g/cup fresh European type (adherent skin), Malaga, muscat, Thompson seedless, etc.: 28.4g/cup -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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Armand wrote:
What's wrong with grapes? 1 whole cup has only 14.8 grams of carbs and who eats an entire cup at a time? Also, don't forget the antioxidents packed in dark grapes. Some kinds of grapes have twice that, especially seedless. Per Netzer: fresh American type (slipskin), Concord, Delaware, Niagara, etc.: 15.8g/cup fresh European type (adherent skin), Malaga, muscat, Thompson seedless, etc.: 28.4g/cup -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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PlacidBull wrote:
:: I read somewhere that protein is converted to glucose at a 58% :: effectivity level versus the 100% level of carbohydrates. :: :: The moral of the story being, I am guessing, that although you can :: eat "liberal" amounts of meat, be aware that 58% if it is converted :: to glucose. 58% of the protein in the meat.....and 10% of the fat in the meat..... will be converted to glucose. :: :: Placid :: :: "Aramanth Dawe" wrote in message :: ... ::: One thing I found VERY interesting in the article was where they ::: acknowledged that glucose can be created from sources other than ::: sugars and starches. They said ::: ::: "You may think that skimping on carbs will cut off your supply of ::: blood glucose, but your body can extract glucose not only from carbs ::: but through fat metabolim and even from dietary protein" ::: ::: They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right ::: now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice, ::: rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain ::: breads, apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this ::: is still a big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and ::: I will have to avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not ::: going to be true for all low-carbers. ::: ::: Aramanth |
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PlacidBull wrote:
:: I read somewhere that protein is converted to glucose at a 58% :: effectivity level versus the 100% level of carbohydrates. :: :: The moral of the story being, I am guessing, that although you can :: eat "liberal" amounts of meat, be aware that 58% if it is converted :: to glucose. 58% of the protein in the meat.....and 10% of the fat in the meat..... will be converted to glucose. :: :: Placid :: :: "Aramanth Dawe" wrote in message :: ... ::: One thing I found VERY interesting in the article was where they ::: acknowledged that glucose can be created from sources other than ::: sugars and starches. They said ::: ::: "You may think that skimping on carbs will cut off your supply of ::: blood glucose, but your body can extract glucose not only from carbs ::: but through fat metabolim and even from dietary protein" ::: ::: They still advocated eating things that *I* cannot contemplate right ::: now (although others might be fine with them) such as brown rice, ::: rolled oats, whole-grain cereal, 100% wholewheat or multigrain ::: breads, apples, pears, oranges, grapes, beans and lentils, but this ::: is still a big improvement. I wouldn't advocate eating grapes and ::: I will have to avoid most grains forever I suspect but this is not ::: going to be true for all low-carbers. ::: ::: Aramanth |
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