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Clinton nearly died from Atkins-style South Beach Diet
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:07:37 -0500, "MaryL"
-OUT-THE-LITTER wrote: "Cheri" wrote in message ... Clinton has a family history of heart disease and had been on and off drugs to lower his blood pressure and cholesterol. He attributed his recent weight loss to the low-carb, high-protein South Beach diet, but the experts say it probably did not contribute to his heart disease. We know from autopsy studies that the buildup that causes heart attacks can start as early as the late teens and 20s," Gardner says. "By the time President Clinton lost the 20 pounds earlier this year, his coronary artery blockages were already well established." "While the plaque buildup that triggers heart attacks can take decades, National Heart Lung and Blood Institute cardiologist George Sopko tells WebMD that arterial blockage can progress from moderate to severe over a short period of time. "When you get to 80% or 90% blockage, that is when something small like minimal exercise or psychological stress can trigger an imbalance between blood demand and supply," he says. "That is the critical point where many people begin to have symptoms." No More Cheeseburgers The experts agreed that Clinton and most patients who have had heart surgery can live long and healthy lives as long as they follow their doctors' advice. Clinton will undoubtedly be told to avoid high-fat junk food and to resume his regular exercise program when he is able. He will also be advised to take medications for his heart, which may include low-dose aspirin, a cholesterol-lowering statin, a beta-blocker, and an ACE inhibitor. -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. In my opinion, the title of this thread is misleading. I doubt seriously if Clinton's recent change to South Beach contributed to his health problems (although I admit that I am also basically following SB -- which is really quite different from Atkins, with SB's emphasis on "good carbs" and low-fat meats, and I have additionally virtually eliminated bread, pasta, rice, and white potatoes). Ironically, the article you quoted also says that SB probably did not contribute to Clinton's heart disease, so it is only the title that I disagree with. Note this quotation that you quoted within this article: "By the time President Clinton lost the 20 pounds earlier this year, his coronary artery blockages were already well established." MaryL go back and check when you first saw the post you will see it was originally crossposted by the quack cardiologist and known usenet troll and kook chung aka mudungchung. Cheri was pointing out facts. mudungchung was trolling again. Māck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ....Theodore Roosevelt Have you heard of the NO-CARB Diet for 2004? NO C-heney NO A-shcroft NO R-umsfeld NO B-ush And Absolutely NO Rice! |
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"Mack©®" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:07:37 -0500, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote: "Cheri" wrote in message ... Clinton has a family history of heart disease and had been on and off drugs to lower his blood pressure and cholesterol. He attributed his recent weight loss to the low-carb, high-protein South Beach diet, but the experts say it probably did not contribute to his heart disease. We know from autopsy studies that the buildup that causes heart attacks can start as early as the late teens and 20s," Gardner says. "By the time President Clinton lost the 20 pounds earlier this year, his coronary artery blockages were already well established." "While the plaque buildup that triggers heart attacks can take decades, National Heart Lung and Blood Institute cardiologist George Sopko tells WebMD that arterial blockage can progress from moderate to severe over a short period of time. "When you get to 80% or 90% blockage, that is when something small like minimal exercise or psychological stress can trigger an imbalance between blood demand and supply," he says. "That is the critical point where many people begin to have symptoms." No More Cheeseburgers The experts agreed that Clinton and most patients who have had heart surgery can live long and healthy lives as long as they follow their doctors' advice. Clinton will undoubtedly be told to avoid high-fat junk food and to resume his regular exercise program when he is able. He will also be advised to take medications for his heart, which may include low-dose aspirin, a cholesterol-lowering statin, a beta-blocker, and an ACE inhibitor. -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. In my opinion, the title of this thread is misleading. I doubt seriously if Clinton's recent change to South Beach contributed to his health problems (although I admit that I am also basically following SB -- which is really quite different from Atkins, with SB's emphasis on "good carbs" and low-fat meats, and I have additionally virtually eliminated bread, pasta, rice, and white potatoes). Ironically, the article you quoted also says that SB probably did not contribute to Clinton's heart disease, so it is only the title that I disagree with. Note this quotation that you quoted within this article: "By the time President Clinton lost the 20 pounds earlier this year, his coronary artery blockages were already well established." MaryL go back and check when you first saw the post you will see it was originally crossposted by the quack cardiologist and known usenet troll and kook chung aka mudungchung. Cheri was pointing out facts. mudungchung was trolling again. Māck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org Ah, now I see what happened...and this shows one of the disadvantages of killfiling (at least in this instance). I had killfiled Chung, so I didn't see his post. Then I saw Cheri's post and didn't realize that she was sending a response to him. I was puzzled as to why the title didn't seem to fit the information given, and this explains it. My reader includes markers like this when I reply to a message, but Cheri's did not -- so I didn't pick up on the circumstances. Thanks for pointing this out. MaryL |
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"Mack©®" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:07:37 -0500, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote: "Cheri" wrote in message ... Clinton has a family history of heart disease and had been on and off drugs to lower his blood pressure and cholesterol. He attributed his recent weight loss to the low-carb, high-protein South Beach diet, but the experts say it probably did not contribute to his heart disease. We know from autopsy studies that the buildup that causes heart attacks can start as early as the late teens and 20s," Gardner says. "By the time President Clinton lost the 20 pounds earlier this year, his coronary artery blockages were already well established." "While the plaque buildup that triggers heart attacks can take decades, National Heart Lung and Blood Institute cardiologist George Sopko tells WebMD that arterial blockage can progress from moderate to severe over a short period of time. "When you get to 80% or 90% blockage, that is when something small like minimal exercise or psychological stress can trigger an imbalance between blood demand and supply," he says. "That is the critical point where many people begin to have symptoms." No More Cheeseburgers The experts agreed that Clinton and most patients who have had heart surgery can live long and healthy lives as long as they follow their doctors' advice. Clinton will undoubtedly be told to avoid high-fat junk food and to resume his regular exercise program when he is able. He will also be advised to take medications for his heart, which may include low-dose aspirin, a cholesterol-lowering statin, a beta-blocker, and an ACE inhibitor. -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. In my opinion, the title of this thread is misleading. I doubt seriously if Clinton's recent change to South Beach contributed to his health problems (although I admit that I am also basically following SB -- which is really quite different from Atkins, with SB's emphasis on "good carbs" and low-fat meats, and I have additionally virtually eliminated bread, pasta, rice, and white potatoes). Ironically, the article you quoted also says that SB probably did not contribute to Clinton's heart disease, so it is only the title that I disagree with. Note this quotation that you quoted within this article: "By the time President Clinton lost the 20 pounds earlier this year, his coronary artery blockages were already well established." MaryL go back and check when you first saw the post you will see it was originally crossposted by the quack cardiologist and known usenet troll and kook chung aka mudungchung. Cheri was pointing out facts. mudungchung was trolling again. Māck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org Ah, now I see what happened...and this shows one of the disadvantages of killfiling (at least in this instance). I had killfiled Chung, so I didn't see his post. Then I saw Cheri's post and didn't realize that she was sending a response to him. I was puzzled as to why the title didn't seem to fit the information given, and this explains it. My reader includes markers like this when I reply to a message, but Cheri's did not -- so I didn't pick up on the circumstances. Thanks for pointing this out. MaryL |
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