Are there successful Core losers out there?

I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug

I notice that WW has one of their free online trials again, so I
signed up just to see what might have changed, and if they improved
from my previous online experience.

I notice that they are calling it the "Momentum Plan" now. I've been
assigned 37 daily points and 35 weekly points.

If the points calculator is still the way it used to be, that comes to
approximately 1850 daily calories plus 1750 weekly calories.

Did they get rid of Core altogether? There doesn't seem to be a
mention of it after signing up for the online plan. Ah, I see. They
call it "Simply Filling" and modified the "Core List."

doug

good luck, read every article you can the more you understand the better it
seems to work, Lee
"douglerner" wrote in message
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I notice that WW has one of their free online trials again, so I
signed up just to see what might have changed, and if they improved
from my previous online experience.

I notice that they are calling it the "Momentum Plan" now. I've been
assigned 37 daily points and 35 weekly points.

If the points calculator is still the way it used to be, that comes to
approximately 1850 daily calories plus 1750 weekly calories.

Did they get rid of Core altogether? There doesn't seem to be a
mention of it after signing up for the online plan. Ah, I see. They
call it "Simply Filling" and modified the "Core List."

doug

"doug lerner" wrote in message
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I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers.

As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories of
food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying
attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long
before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is
basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a
time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core
users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating,
decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no
longer hungry.

It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to
have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual physical
hunger not emotional hunger.

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I am
really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back to
Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept it
off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core losers.

As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the categories
of food. One still has to watch portion size for example. Really paying
attention to the satisfaction level is key as well. You have to stop long
before stuffed, long before full. You stop at "satisfied", which is
basically at the point where you are no longer hungry. Since there is a
time delay getting signals to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly.
Core users are advised to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop
eating, decide if you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you
are no longer hungry.

It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset. You have to
have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for actual
physical hunger not emotional hunger.

Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in life,
requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other words, a
healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take for sustenance
rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It should NOT involve
slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW members in this NG who
constantly post recipes here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow -
in other words, who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand
this fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally.
Food is no different from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to
take it.

Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"doug lerner" wrote in message
...
I am re-posting one snippet from my other, longer thread, because I
am really curious about this while trying to decide what to do going
forward.

Basically, I find that journaling and calorie/point limits work and
diets without fixed limits don't work - at least for me. I realize
that dieting is not "one size fits all."

When I tried Weight Watchers Core for a while it didn't seem to work
at all. The diet doesn't make sense (to me anyway) because it is too
easy to take in too many calories even when following the rules
literally and not stuffing yourself. Want an avocado? Sure, it's a
vegetable so why not? Still hungry? Have another serving of fish or
chicken.

Core to me seem like Atkins with (1) more variety but (2) less
appetite control because you can eat all those insulin spiking foods
like bananas and corn and pineapple and so you never get your
cravings under control.

And when you reduce the trigger foods from Core you're almost back
to Atkins, with maybe less variety...

What I am curious about is this: Are there any really obese people
(like me) who have ever gotten to a normal BMI goal weight and kept
it off just following the Core plan? I am skeptical.

I know it is possible with Flex Points, but am skeptical about Core.

Thanks,

doug


There are success stories on the WW site about successful Core
losers. As I read core, there are a number of rules about some of the
categories of food. One still has to watch portion size for
example. Really paying attention to the satisfaction level is key
as well. You have to stop long before stuffed, long before full. You
stop at "satisfied", which is basically at the point where you
are no longer hungry. Since there is a time delay getting signals
to the brain, it's necessary to eat slowly. Core users are advised
to "stop and assess" half way through. I.e. stop eating, decide if
you are actually still hungry or not, then stop if you are no longer
hungry. It has worked for many but takes a different type of mindset.
You
have to have the strength to avoid emotional eating but eat only for
actual physical hunger not emotional hunger.

Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It
should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives. I
plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am eating
tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to my palate
asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have meals that
sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing!
There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude
works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will
continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to
enjoy!

"Stephanie" wrote in message
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Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It
should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives.
I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am
eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to
my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have
meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing!
There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude
works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will
continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to
enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I
just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know
about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and
pepper.

I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty foods,
fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the foods I eat
enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.

Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat
about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every single
bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less, because it's
enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the next bite is
going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some of
them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I have
one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every day, it
wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie every few
weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.

Will~

Willow Herself wrote:
"Stephanie" wrote in message
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Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we
take for sustenance rather than something we lust after for
satisfaction. It should NOT involve slavish point-counting and
deprivation. The WW members in this NG who constantly post recipes
here and dream about what they will eat tomorrow - in other words,
who perpetuate their love of food - simply don't understand this
fundamental point and will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food
is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our
lives. I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about
what I am eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces
that are a joy to my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be
assured that I have meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as
conform to my desired calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If
that attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy
cooking, food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with
family and friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy
food, I just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I
didn't know about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew
about were salt and pepper.


The most convenient food is often the least good for you.



I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty
foods, fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the
foods I eat enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.


Indian pulses om nom nom.


Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I
eat about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy
every single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much
less, because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope
that the next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever.



I am an enigma there. I don't care enough about sweets to worry about it.
But I DO enjoy my bread and potato every now and again.


Some of them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love
brownies, I have one every once in a while. If I had a store bought
brownie every day, it wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh
bakery baked brownie every few weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.


I lost ... I can't remember. Size 16 to size 6 a few years ago. I am
maintaining, kinda. I went up a couple of pounds. Back to journalling to
reset myself... As I drink my tastey rosemary veggie soup.


Will~

I just realized, this logic would say that sex was only for procreation, I
THINK NOT, Lee
"Willow Herself" wrote in
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...


Makes sense. Weight control, like every other worthwhile goal in
life, requires discipline, dedication, and right thinking. In other
words, a healthy attitude of thinking about food as something we take
for sustenance rather than something we lust after for satisfaction. It
should NOT involve slavish point-counting and deprivation. The WW
members in this NG who constantly post recipes here and dream about
what they will eat tomorrow - in other words, who perpetuate their
love of food - simply don't understand this fundamental point and
will never maintain normal weight naturally. Food is no different
from oxygen. We take it to live. We shouldn't live to take it.



I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives.
I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am
eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to
my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have
meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful
thing! There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that
attitude works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking,
food will continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and
friends and to enjoy!


AMEN!

Might I add that before I learned to eat healthy I did not enjoy food, I
just shoveled in whatever I had on hand. I could not cook, I didn't know
about what's good what isn't, the only spices I knew about were salt and
pepper.

I've educated myself, not only about healthy foods, but about tasty foods,
fresh veggies and fruits, spices and condiments that make the foods I eat
enjoyable without adding tons of fats to it.

Now everything I eat has to be worth it, health wise, taste wise. I eat
about 1/3 (if not less) of the food I used to eat, but I enjoy every
single bite of it. That's why I'm satisfied with eating so much less,
because it's enjoyable. I don't have to keep eating in the hope that the
next bite is going to be better, it's all good!

I also eat all sorts of foods, carbs, proteins, sweets, whatever. Some of
them in moderation, but there are no banned foods. I love brownies, I have
one every once in a while. If I had a store bought brownie every day, it
wouldn't taste that great, but a good fresh bakery baked brownie every few
weeks tastes heavenly!

Food is not the enemy, I love food, I love eating, I lost 70 lbs in
2002-2003 and have been maintaining since.

Will~

"Stephanie" wrote in message
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I disagree with this. I love food. Food is terrific, a gift in our lives.
I plan my melas in advance, what you would call dream about what I am
eating tomorrow, so that I may have good healthy choces that are a joy to
my palate asa well. I also plan ahead so I can be assured that I have
meals that sustain my staisfaction as well as conform to my desired
calorie intake.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying food. Enjoyment is a wonderful thing!
There is no superioirity in viewing food as only fuel. If that attitude
works for you, rock on. But for those of us who enjoy cooking, food will
continue to be a wonderful thing to share with family and friends and to
enjoy!


Yes there is nothing wrong with researching recipes and making food that is
a delight to the eye and palate. That can be quite a satisfying hobby. BUT
that does not mean a person can or should eat every last bite. Eat simply
was is need for sustenance and save the rest for another meal or day. Share
with other people.

Many of the WW recipes are a joy to the palate but that is no excuse to eat
too much.