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Old October 28th, 2004, 02:17 AM
Laura
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Default WW Core Quiz/Question for leaders

This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not
just paying members.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471

The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a non
Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are not a
Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule.
Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting this
rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the
Online/eTools guidelines.

The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW
message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for core
again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core information.
Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core ingredients,
your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire dish.
Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at the
meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it yourself
and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that you
have to count.

I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of
this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish Non
core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and low
fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and you
have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what they
wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been tell
us.

Comments please.
*************************************************

1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is
definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core ingredients
is automatically considered Core.

Answer: False.

Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods are
wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty calories
or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be enjoyed
in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend
some of your weekly POINTS Allowance.

As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember: It's a
Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final product
is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup) or
it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core
beef).

2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients. If
you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded
cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the POINTS
values for the toppings.

Answer: False

Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you were
only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could consider
the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour cream
toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it
over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe.

3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've got
a fabulous Core snack or dessert.

Answer: True

You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core
food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping. Lucky
for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value of
zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total. But
if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count the
yogurt's POINTS value.

4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the oat
"flour" to make Core baked goods.

Answer: False

If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or cakes
by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items are
not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density. In
other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less
nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term
appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just make
sure to count the POINTS values for them.


  #2  
Old October 28th, 2004, 04:56 AM
Fred the Second
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Laura, there is a fuzzy line between Core and non-Core when combining both
types of ingredients, but in the member's materials there are allusions to
what the WW site is saying.

The Getting Started book from Week 1, on page 32, gives two examples of
adding ONE non-Core ingredient to an otherwise Core food and having to count
only the added non-Core ingredient towards your Weekly Points Allowance. On
the same page it says "Use your common sense when judging whether or not a
dish ... is a Core Food." It also says "if you find yourself dissecting a
recipe, ingredient by ingredient, consider using your weekly Points
Allowance ..."

The "official" WW rule book, in all the WW meeting rooms, says if a member
wants to add just one non-Core Food ingredient they only need to count that
ingredient but if they have a dish that has a combination of Core and
non-Core then the whole dish should be counted. The assumption is that with
one non-Core you count only the ingredient, with more you count the whole
dish. But again, common sense should prevail. In the example of the
fajita, three non-Core ingredients have been added to "jazz it up" which
also makes it more "indulgent" (i.e., has a higher abuse potential). For
your example of the fish, I would use common sense. If adding the bread
crumbs and cheese would cause you to eat more of the dish than if it were
prepared plain then you have created a higher potential for abuse and the
final dish is no longer Core.

The factor here is a food's potential for abuse, something your leader
should talk about. That's why plain 94% fat-free popcorn is Core, while 94%
fat-free kettle corn is not. Same nutritional value, but very different
abuse potential.

HTH.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not
just paying members.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471

The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a non
Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are not
a
Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule.
Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting this
rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the
Online/eTools guidelines.

The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW
message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for
core
again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core information.
Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core ingredients,
your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire
dish.
Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at
the
meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it yourself
and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that
you
have to count.

I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of
this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish
Non
core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and low
fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and you
have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what they
wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been tell
us.

Comments please.
*************************************************

1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is
definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core ingredients
is automatically considered Core.

Answer: False.

Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods
are
wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty calories
or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be
enjoyed
in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend
some of your weekly POINTS Allowance.

As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember: It's
a
Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final product
is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup) or
it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core
beef).

2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients. If
you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded
cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the
POINTS
values for the toppings.

Answer: False

Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you
were
only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could consider
the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour cream
toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it
over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe.

3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've
got
a fabulous Core snack or dessert.

Answer: True

You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core
food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping.
Lucky
for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value of
zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total.
But
if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count
the
yogurt's POINTS value.

4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the
oat
"flour" to make Core baked goods.

Answer: False

If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or cakes
by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items
are
not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density. In
other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less
nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term
appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just
make
sure to count the POINTS values for them.




  #3  
Old October 28th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Laura
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I understand the interpretations and common sense still prevails when
determing core vs non core. Are people trying to stretch things? Proably.

I think the bigger issue is that people are just wishing that WW had taken
the time to spell things out completely in the materials. Since this was
included in the "official" rule book then why wasn't it included in our
materials from the very beginning? People are objecting to being told these
things after the fact and from non official sources.

We also seem to be getting different stories about the corrections. Many
have not gotten any. The online databases including eTools apparently have
not been updated yet. My leader went through some of them but not the
entire list. She has not mentioned the corrections in a month. It is almost
as if they did not exist and she was told to stop discussing them.

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:u5_fd.537283$8_6.246092@attbi_s04...
Laura, there is a fuzzy line between Core and non-Core when combining both
types of ingredients, but in the member's materials there are allusions to
what the WW site is saying.

The Getting Started book from Week 1, on page 32, gives two examples of
adding ONE non-Core ingredient to an otherwise Core food and having to

count
only the added non-Core ingredient towards your Weekly Points Allowance.

On
the same page it says "Use your common sense when judging whether or not a
dish ... is a Core Food." It also says "if you find yourself dissecting a
recipe, ingredient by ingredient, consider using your weekly Points
Allowance ..."

The "official" WW rule book, in all the WW meeting rooms, says if a member
wants to add just one non-Core Food ingredient they only need to count

that
ingredient but if they have a dish that has a combination of Core and
non-Core then the whole dish should be counted. The assumption is that

with
one non-Core you count only the ingredient, with more you count the whole
dish. But again, common sense should prevail. In the example of the
fajita, three non-Core ingredients have been added to "jazz it up" which
also makes it more "indulgent" (i.e., has a higher abuse potential). For
your example of the fish, I would use common sense. If adding the bread
crumbs and cheese would cause you to eat more of the dish than if it were
prepared plain then you have created a higher potential for abuse and the
final dish is no longer Core.

The factor here is a food's potential for abuse, something your leader
should talk about. That's why plain 94% fat-free popcorn is Core, while

94%
fat-free kettle corn is not. Same nutritional value, but very different
abuse potential.

HTH.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not
just paying members.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471

The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a

non
Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are

not
a
Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule.
Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting

this
rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the
Online/eTools guidelines.

The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW
message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for
core
again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core

information.
Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core

ingredients,
your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire
dish.
Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at
the
meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it

yourself
and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that
you
have to count.

I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of
this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish
Non
core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and

low
fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and

you
have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what

they
wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been

tell
us.

Comments please.
*************************************************

1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is
definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core

ingredients
is automatically considered Core.

Answer: False.

Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods
are
wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty

calories
or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be
enjoyed
in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend
some of your weekly POINTS Allowance.

As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember:

It's
a
Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final

product
is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup)

or
it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core
beef).

2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients.

If
you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded
cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the
POINTS
values for the toppings.

Answer: False

Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you
were
only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could

consider
the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour

cream
toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it
over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire

recipe.

3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've
got
a fabulous Core snack or dessert.

Answer: True

You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core
food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping.
Lucky
for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value

of
zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total.
But
if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count
the
yogurt's POINTS value.

4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the
oat
"flour" to make Core baked goods.

Answer: False

If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or

cakes
by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items
are
not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density.

In
other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less
nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term
appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just
make
sure to count the POINTS values for them.






  #4  
Old October 28th, 2004, 04:08 PM
Willow
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We received lists of correction (which we do every time there's a new
program rolled.. was the same with Flex) and WW is updating the material.
People are forever finding new ways to get around the program.. which are
ways that didn't come up while testing the program.. (again same thing
hapenened when they first rolled the first point system)

If you were to put in the material every detail, every possible variation
that members come up with along with every rules for every one of those
variations... can you imagine how big the Week 1 book would be ?

The only difference with the previous big roll outs, is that now people are
online.. and rumors and tricks and "ways around the program" are rolling
around faster than WW can keep up.. I read the message boards.. and it's
ridiculous to think that WW would be able to keep up with everything that's
going on there.. rumors starts.. then WW has to step in to set things
right..

The boards are a good thing for the members, no doubt about that and as a
member I use them and enjoy them.. but they make things difficult for us..
it's amazing the things members show up with in the meeting room saying "I
saw that on the message board..." not to mention scary sometimes..

So in short... ignore the message board rumors, and stick to what your
leader is telling you (and ask tons of questions because sometimes leader
things it's all clear and figured out for everyone)... and it's gonna be a
lot easier to understand the program.. unfortunately, the online members
can't do that.. ( but again.. stick with the official word.. and if you
got question ask WW.. not Joe know it all on the message board.. more chance
to get a straight (and real) anwser..

Every big change in the programs have brought the same problems.. and now
with the online community they are multiplied a thousand times.. be
patient.. this works.. I got the belly (or the no belly) to prove it ;op The
core program has been very well researched and thought out.. there's a few
sticky points because it's brand new... but lots of members are very
succesfull with it !
--
Will~

196.2 / 133.4 / 137 lbs
89 / 60.5 / 62.1 Kg

Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
"Laura" wrote in message
...
I understand the interpretations and common sense still prevails when
determing core vs non core. Are people trying to stretch things? Proably.

I think the bigger issue is that people are just wishing that WW had taken
the time to spell things out completely in the materials. Since this was
included in the "official" rule book then why wasn't it included in our
materials from the very beginning? People are objecting to being told

these
things after the fact and from non official sources.

We also seem to be getting different stories about the corrections. Many
have not gotten any. The online databases including eTools apparently have
not been updated yet. My leader went through some of them but not the
entire list. She has not mentioned the corrections in a month. It is

almost
as if they did not exist and she was told to stop discussing them.

"Fred the Second" wrote in message
news:u5_fd.537283$8_6.246092@attbi_s04...
Laura, there is a fuzzy line between Core and non-Core when combining

both
types of ingredients, but in the member's materials there are allusions

to
what the WW site is saying.

The Getting Started book from Week 1, on page 32, gives two examples of
adding ONE non-Core ingredient to an otherwise Core food and having to

count
only the added non-Core ingredient towards your Weekly Points Allowance.

On
the same page it says "Use your common sense when judging whether or not

a
dish ... is a Core Food." It also says "if you find yourself dissecting

a
recipe, ingredient by ingredient, consider using your weekly Points
Allowance ..."

The "official" WW rule book, in all the WW meeting rooms, says if a

member
wants to add just one non-Core Food ingredient they only need to count

that
ingredient but if they have a dish that has a combination of Core and
non-Core then the whole dish should be counted. The assumption is that

with
one non-Core you count only the ingredient, with more you count the

whole
dish. But again, common sense should prevail. In the example of the
fajita, three non-Core ingredients have been added to "jazz it up" which
also makes it more "indulgent" (i.e., has a higher abuse potential).

For
your example of the fish, I would use common sense. If adding the bread
crumbs and cheese would cause you to eat more of the dish than if it

were
prepared plain then you have created a higher potential for abuse and

the
final dish is no longer Core.

The factor here is a food's potential for abuse, something your leader
should talk about. That's why plain 94% fat-free popcorn is Core, while

94%
fat-free kettle corn is not. Same nutritional value, but very different
abuse potential.

HTH.

- Fred #2

"Laura" wrote in message
...
This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public,

not
just paying members.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471

The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a

non
Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are

not
a
Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule.
Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting

this
rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the
Online/eTools guidelines.

The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the

WW
message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules

for
core
again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core

information.
Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core

ingredients,
your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire
dish.
Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given

at
the
meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it

yourself
and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items

that
you
have to count.

I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard

of
this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a

dish
Non
core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and

low
fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and

you
have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what

they
wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been

tell
us.

Comments please.
*************************************************

1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is
definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core

ingredients
is automatically considered Core.

Answer: False.

Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core

foods
are
wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty

calories
or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be
enjoyed
in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip,

spend
some of your weekly POINTS Allowance.

As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember:

It's
a
Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final

product
is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil

soup)
or
it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with

Core
beef).

2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core

ingredients.
If
you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat

shredded
cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the
POINTS
values for the toppings.

Answer: False

Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you
were
only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could

consider
the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour

cream
toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts

it
over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire

recipe.

3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and

you've
got
a fabulous Core snack or dessert.

Answer: True

You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a

Core
food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping.
Lucky
for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS

value
of
zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance

total.
But
if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to

count
the
yogurt's POINTS value.

4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use

the
oat
"flour" to make Core baked goods.

Answer: False

If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or

cakes
by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above

items
are
not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density.

In
other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less
nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of

long-term
appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though -

just
make
sure to count the POINTS values for them.








  #5  
Old October 28th, 2004, 06:37 PM
prairieroots
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One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.

  #6  
Old October 28th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Willow
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A-MEN

Well said M'lady!

I've discovered the "guys on a diet" board.. and there the "spirit" is
somehow different.. though I'm still new.. but yeah.. the other boards are
getting way too negative for me..

--
Will~

196.2 / 133.4 / 137 lbs
89 / 60.5 / 62.1 Kg

Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
"prairieroots" wrote in message
lkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



  #7  
Old October 28th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Willow
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A-MEN

Well said M'lady!

I've discovered the "guys on a diet" board.. and there the "spirit" is
somehow different.. though I'm still new.. but yeah.. the other boards are
getting way too negative for me..

--
Will~

196.2 / 133.4 / 137 lbs
89 / 60.5 / 62.1 Kg

Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg
"prairieroots" wrote in message
lkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



  #8  
Old October 28th, 2004, 10:59 PM
Laura
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Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I
turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet
junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They
have been very negative lately.

I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I question
what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source.

I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job
distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has stopped
talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair to
us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that
none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have
worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on
updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me.

"prairieroots" wrote in message
lkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



  #9  
Old October 29th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Prairie Roots
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I agree with the last paragraph, to a point. But that would mean I
should also be disappointed that they don't include in the database
every brand name out there. Actually, I AM disappointed that they
don't. I mean, how many of us indulge in Skinny Cows and yet those
buggers aren't in the database.

Yeah, I know about being an Internet junkie. And when I'm in the mood
for Jerry Springer-like entertainment on the Internet, I visit the WW
boards. But when I'm looking for good information and
honest-to-goodness support and encouragement, I go to Dotti's board.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:44 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I
turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet
junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They
have been very negative lately.

I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I question
what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source.

I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job
distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has stopped
talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair to
us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that
none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have
worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on
updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me.

"prairieroots" wrote in message
alkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



--
Linda P
  #10  
Old October 29th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Prairie Roots
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I agree with the last paragraph, to a point. But that would mean I
should also be disappointed that they don't include in the database
every brand name out there. Actually, I AM disappointed that they
don't. I mean, how many of us indulge in Skinny Cows and yet those
buggers aren't in the database.

Yeah, I know about being an Internet junkie. And when I'm in the mood
for Jerry Springer-like entertainment on the Internet, I visit the WW
boards. But when I'm looking for good information and
honest-to-goodness support and encouragement, I go to Dotti's board.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:44 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I
turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet
junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They
have been very negative lately.

I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I question
what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source.

I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job
distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has stopped
talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair to
us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that
none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have
worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on
updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me.

"prairieroots" wrote in message
alkaboutsupport.com...
One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out
for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that
everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to
do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with
the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages
a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've
also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I
experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have
come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the
hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But
as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success
is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the
WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the
way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil.

I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional
items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as
evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the
program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it
might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the
current WW guidelines more carefully.

For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me.
I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me.
Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their
sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating
chocolates by the bag.

In short, do what works. IMHO.



--
Linda P
 




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