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WW Core Quiz/Question for leaders
This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not
just paying members. http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a non Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are not a Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule. Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting this rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the Online/eTools guidelines. The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for core again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core information. Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core ingredients, your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire dish. Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at the meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it yourself and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that you have to count. I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish Non core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and low fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and you have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what they wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been tell us. Comments please. ************************************************* 1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core ingredients is automatically considered Core. Answer: False. Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods are wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty calories or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be enjoyed in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend some of your weekly POINTS Allowance. As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember: It's a Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final product is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup) or it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core beef). 2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients. If you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the POINTS values for the toppings. Answer: False Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you were only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could consider the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour cream toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe. 3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've got a fabulous Core snack or dessert. Answer: True You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping. Lucky for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value of zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total. But if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count the yogurt's POINTS value. 4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the oat "flour" to make Core baked goods. Answer: False If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or cakes by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items are not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density. In other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just make sure to count the POINTS values for them. |
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Laura, there is a fuzzy line between Core and non-Core when combining both
types of ingredients, but in the member's materials there are allusions to what the WW site is saying. The Getting Started book from Week 1, on page 32, gives two examples of adding ONE non-Core ingredient to an otherwise Core food and having to count only the added non-Core ingredient towards your Weekly Points Allowance. On the same page it says "Use your common sense when judging whether or not a dish ... is a Core Food." It also says "if you find yourself dissecting a recipe, ingredient by ingredient, consider using your weekly Points Allowance ..." The "official" WW rule book, in all the WW meeting rooms, says if a member wants to add just one non-Core Food ingredient they only need to count that ingredient but if they have a dish that has a combination of Core and non-Core then the whole dish should be counted. The assumption is that with one non-Core you count only the ingredient, with more you count the whole dish. But again, common sense should prevail. In the example of the fajita, three non-Core ingredients have been added to "jazz it up" which also makes it more "indulgent" (i.e., has a higher abuse potential). For your example of the fish, I would use common sense. If adding the bread crumbs and cheese would cause you to eat more of the dish than if it were prepared plain then you have created a higher potential for abuse and the final dish is no longer Core. The factor here is a food's potential for abuse, something your leader should talk about. That's why plain 94% fat-free popcorn is Core, while 94% fat-free kettle corn is not. Same nutritional value, but very different abuse potential. HTH. - Fred #2 "Laura" wrote in message ... This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not just paying members. http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a non Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are not a Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule. Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting this rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the Online/eTools guidelines. The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for core again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core information. Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core ingredients, your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire dish. Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at the meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it yourself and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that you have to count. I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish Non core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and low fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and you have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what they wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been tell us. Comments please. ************************************************* 1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core ingredients is automatically considered Core. Answer: False. Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods are wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty calories or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be enjoyed in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend some of your weekly POINTS Allowance. As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember: It's a Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final product is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup) or it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core beef). 2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients. If you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the POINTS values for the toppings. Answer: False Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you were only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could consider the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour cream toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe. 3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've got a fabulous Core snack or dessert. Answer: True You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping. Lucky for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value of zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total. But if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count the yogurt's POINTS value. 4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the oat "flour" to make Core baked goods. Answer: False If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or cakes by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items are not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density. In other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just make sure to count the POINTS values for them. |
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I understand the interpretations and common sense still prevails when
determing core vs non core. Are people trying to stretch things? Proably. I think the bigger issue is that people are just wishing that WW had taken the time to spell things out completely in the materials. Since this was included in the "official" rule book then why wasn't it included in our materials from the very beginning? People are objecting to being told these things after the fact and from non official sources. We also seem to be getting different stories about the corrections. Many have not gotten any. The online databases including eTools apparently have not been updated yet. My leader went through some of them but not the entire list. She has not mentioned the corrections in a month. It is almost as if they did not exist and she was told to stop discussing them. "Fred the Second" wrote in message news:u5_fd.537283$8_6.246092@attbi_s04... Laura, there is a fuzzy line between Core and non-Core when combining both types of ingredients, but in the member's materials there are allusions to what the WW site is saying. The Getting Started book from Week 1, on page 32, gives two examples of adding ONE non-Core ingredient to an otherwise Core food and having to count only the added non-Core ingredient towards your Weekly Points Allowance. On the same page it says "Use your common sense when judging whether or not a dish ... is a Core Food." It also says "if you find yourself dissecting a recipe, ingredient by ingredient, consider using your weekly Points Allowance ..." The "official" WW rule book, in all the WW meeting rooms, says if a member wants to add just one non-Core Food ingredient they only need to count that ingredient but if they have a dish that has a combination of Core and non-Core then the whole dish should be counted. The assumption is that with one non-Core you count only the ingredient, with more you count the whole dish. But again, common sense should prevail. In the example of the fajita, three non-Core ingredients have been added to "jazz it up" which also makes it more "indulgent" (i.e., has a higher abuse potential). For your example of the fish, I would use common sense. If adding the bread crumbs and cheese would cause you to eat more of the dish than if it were prepared plain then you have created a higher potential for abuse and the final dish is no longer Core. The factor here is a food's potential for abuse, something your leader should talk about. That's why plain 94% fat-free popcorn is Core, while 94% fat-free kettle corn is not. Same nutritional value, but very different abuse potential. HTH. - Fred #2 "Laura" wrote in message ... This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not just paying members. http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a non Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are not a Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule. Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting this rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the Online/eTools guidelines. The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for core again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core information. Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core ingredients, your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire dish. Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at the meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it yourself and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that you have to count. I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish Non core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and low fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and you have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what they wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been tell us. Comments please. ************************************************* 1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core ingredients is automatically considered Core. Answer: False. Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods are wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty calories or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be enjoyed in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend some of your weekly POINTS Allowance. As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember: It's a Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final product is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup) or it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core beef). 2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients. If you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the POINTS values for the toppings. Answer: False Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you were only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could consider the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour cream toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe. 3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've got a fabulous Core snack or dessert. Answer: True You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping. Lucky for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value of zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total. But if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count the yogurt's POINTS value. 4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the oat "flour" to make Core baked goods. Answer: False If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or cakes by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items are not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density. In other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just make sure to count the POINTS values for them. |
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We received lists of correction (which we do every time there's a new
program rolled.. was the same with Flex) and WW is updating the material. People are forever finding new ways to get around the program.. which are ways that didn't come up while testing the program.. (again same thing hapenened when they first rolled the first point system) If you were to put in the material every detail, every possible variation that members come up with along with every rules for every one of those variations... can you imagine how big the Week 1 book would be ? The only difference with the previous big roll outs, is that now people are online.. and rumors and tricks and "ways around the program" are rolling around faster than WW can keep up.. I read the message boards.. and it's ridiculous to think that WW would be able to keep up with everything that's going on there.. rumors starts.. then WW has to step in to set things right.. The boards are a good thing for the members, no doubt about that and as a member I use them and enjoy them.. but they make things difficult for us.. it's amazing the things members show up with in the meeting room saying "I saw that on the message board..." not to mention scary sometimes.. So in short... ignore the message board rumors, and stick to what your leader is telling you (and ask tons of questions because sometimes leader things it's all clear and figured out for everyone)... and it's gonna be a lot easier to understand the program.. unfortunately, the online members can't do that.. ( but again.. stick with the official word.. and if you got question ask WW.. not Joe know it all on the message board.. more chance to get a straight (and real) anwser.. Every big change in the programs have brought the same problems.. and now with the online community they are multiplied a thousand times.. be patient.. this works.. I got the belly (or the no belly) to prove it ;op The core program has been very well researched and thought out.. there's a few sticky points because it's brand new... but lots of members are very succesfull with it ! -- Will~ 196.2 / 133.4 / 137 lbs 89 / 60.5 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg "Laura" wrote in message ... I understand the interpretations and common sense still prevails when determing core vs non core. Are people trying to stretch things? Proably. I think the bigger issue is that people are just wishing that WW had taken the time to spell things out completely in the materials. Since this was included in the "official" rule book then why wasn't it included in our materials from the very beginning? People are objecting to being told these things after the fact and from non official sources. We also seem to be getting different stories about the corrections. Many have not gotten any. The online databases including eTools apparently have not been updated yet. My leader went through some of them but not the entire list. She has not mentioned the corrections in a month. It is almost as if they did not exist and she was told to stop discussing them. "Fred the Second" wrote in message news:u5_fd.537283$8_6.246092@attbi_s04... Laura, there is a fuzzy line between Core and non-Core when combining both types of ingredients, but in the member's materials there are allusions to what the WW site is saying. The Getting Started book from Week 1, on page 32, gives two examples of adding ONE non-Core ingredient to an otherwise Core food and having to count only the added non-Core ingredient towards your Weekly Points Allowance. On the same page it says "Use your common sense when judging whether or not a dish ... is a Core Food." It also says "if you find yourself dissecting a recipe, ingredient by ingredient, consider using your weekly Points Allowance ..." The "official" WW rule book, in all the WW meeting rooms, says if a member wants to add just one non-Core Food ingredient they only need to count that ingredient but if they have a dish that has a combination of Core and non-Core then the whole dish should be counted. The assumption is that with one non-Core you count only the ingredient, with more you count the whole dish. But again, common sense should prevail. In the example of the fajita, three non-Core ingredients have been added to "jazz it up" which also makes it more "indulgent" (i.e., has a higher abuse potential). For your example of the fish, I would use common sense. If adding the bread crumbs and cheese would cause you to eat more of the dish than if it were prepared plain then you have created a higher potential for abuse and the final dish is no longer Core. The factor here is a food's potential for abuse, something your leader should talk about. That's why plain 94% fat-free popcorn is Core, while 94% fat-free kettle corn is not. Same nutritional value, but very different abuse potential. HTH. - Fred #2 "Laura" wrote in message ... This is from the WW site, but it is available to the general public, not just paying members. http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/q...x?quiz_id=6471 The answers for questions 1 & 4 are understandable. You can not make a non Core item from Core foods. Nor can you make Baked goods since they are not a Core food item. That folks should understand and accept that rule. Unfortunately there are some on the message boards that are doubting this rule because WW has not formally issued the corrections or updated the Online/eTools guidelines. The answers for questions 2 & 3 are causing quite a commotion on the WW message boards. Many people are upset that WW is changing the rules for core again. That is NOT something we've seen anywhere in the core information. Apparently they are now saying if you add 2 or more non-core ingredients, your dish is no longer core and you must use your WPAs for the entire dish. Can anyone state where this is printed in the materials we were given at the meetings? My leader has always been saying that if you cooked it yourself and know exactly how much is non core that those are the only items that you have to count. I know that there are some leaders reading this group. Have you heard of this new rule that dictates that more than 2 non-core items makes a dish Non core? For example, bake some tilapia (core) with some bread crumbs and low fat cheese (2 non core items) and the entire dish is now non core and you have to count the points for the fish too? This certainly is NOT what they wrote in the Getting Started Manual nor is it what my leader has been tell us. Comments please. ************************************************* 1. Ice cream made from fat-free milk, Splenda and vanilla extract is definitely a Core food. After all, a recipe made from all Core ingredients is automatically considered Core. Answer: False. Ice cream is not a Core food; no matter what it's made from. Core foods are wholesome foods that fill you up without providing a lot of empty calories or triggering overeating. That's not to say that ice cream cannot be enjoyed in moderation. If you're in the mood for some mint chocolate chip, spend some of your weekly POINTS Allowance. As far as other recipes made with all Core ingredients go, remember: It's a Core recipe as long as you use only Core ingredients and the final product is either already on the Core foods list (such as homemade lentil soup) or it has the potential to be on the list (such as meatballs made with Core beef). 2. You make fajitas (without the tortillas) with all Core ingredients. If you jazz it up with just a touch of regular sour cream, low-fat shredded cheese and some broken up tortilla chips, you only have to count the POINTS values for the toppings. Answer: False Adding all those toppings makes this dish a lot more indulgent. If you were only adding a tablespoon or two of regular sour cream, you could consider the fajitas a Core dish and just count the POINTS value for the sour cream toward your weekly POINTS Allowance. But two or more ingredients puts it over the top, and you should count the POINTS value for the entire recipe. 3. Top a fresh bowl of berries with fat-free whipped topping and you've got a fabulous Core snack or dessert. Answer: True You're only adding one ingredient to the berries, so they remain a Core food. Technically, you need to count the POINTS value of the topping. Lucky for you, two tablespoons of fat-free whipped topping has a POINTS value of zero anyway, so it would not affect your weekly POINTS Allowance total. But if you were topping the berries with frozen yogurt, you'd have to count the yogurt's POINTS value. 4. Whole oats are a Core ingredient. Grind some up and you can use the oat "flour" to make Core baked goods. Answer: False If you're trying to find a loophole to make Core muffins, cookies or cakes by processing Core ingredients at home, forget about it. The above items are not Core foods due to their abuse potential and higher energy density. In other words, higher-calorie, higher-fat content foods tend to be less nutritious per serving as well as less satisfying in terms of long-term appetite control. You can enjoy baked goods in moderation though - just make sure to count the POINTS values for them. |
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One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is
that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil. I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the current WW guidelines more carefully. For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me. I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me. Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating chocolates by the bag. In short, do what works. IMHO. |
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A-MEN
Well said M'lady! I've discovered the "guys on a diet" board.. and there the "spirit" is somehow different.. though I'm still new.. but yeah.. the other boards are getting way too negative for me.. -- Will~ 196.2 / 133.4 / 137 lbs 89 / 60.5 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg "prairieroots" wrote in message lkaboutsupport.com... One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil. I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the current WW guidelines more carefully. For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me. I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me. Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating chocolates by the bag. In short, do what works. IMHO. |
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Well said M'lady! I've discovered the "guys on a diet" board.. and there the "spirit" is somehow different.. though I'm still new.. but yeah.. the other boards are getting way too negative for me.. -- Will~ 196.2 / 133.4 / 137 lbs 89 / 60.5 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg "prairieroots" wrote in message lkaboutsupport.com... One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil. I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the current WW guidelines more carefully. For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me. I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me. Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating chocolates by the bag. In short, do what works. IMHO. |
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Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I
turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They have been very negative lately. I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I question what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source. I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has stopped talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair to us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me. "prairieroots" wrote in message lkaboutsupport.com... One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil. I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the current WW guidelines more carefully. For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me. I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me. Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating chocolates by the bag. In short, do what works. IMHO. |
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I agree with the last paragraph, to a point. But that would mean I
should also be disappointed that they don't include in the database every brand name out there. Actually, I AM disappointed that they don't. I mean, how many of us indulge in Skinny Cows and yet those buggers aren't in the database. Yeah, I know about being an Internet junkie. And when I'm in the mood for Jerry Springer-like entertainment on the Internet, I visit the WW boards. But when I'm looking for good information and honest-to-goodness support and encouragement, I go to Dotti's board. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:44 GMT, "Laura" wrote: Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They have been very negative lately. I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I question what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source. I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has stopped talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair to us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me. "prairieroots" wrote in message alkaboutsupport.com... One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil. I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the current WW guidelines more carefully. For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me. I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me. Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating chocolates by the bag. In short, do what works. IMHO. -- Linda P |
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I agree with the last paragraph, to a point. But that would mean I
should also be disappointed that they don't include in the database every brand name out there. Actually, I AM disappointed that they don't. I mean, how many of us indulge in Skinny Cows and yet those buggers aren't in the database. Yeah, I know about being an Internet junkie. And when I'm in the mood for Jerry Springer-like entertainment on the Internet, I visit the WW boards. But when I'm looking for good information and honest-to-goodness support and encouragement, I go to Dotti's board. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:44 GMT, "Laura" wrote: Well said. I think I will stop visiting the WW message boards myself. I turned to them because this group had gotten so quiet. I am an internet junkie so if it is quiet here I go wondering on the message boards. They have been very negative lately. I also like what Willow said about listening to my leader. And if I question what she says I will call WW directly. Go right to the source. I am just disappointed that WW seems to be falling down on the job distributing the corrections that the leaders were given. Mine has stopped talking about them as if they don't exist. I'm not sure if that is fair to us as paying members. It certainly is not fair to the Online members that none of the updates have been incorporated into their databases. I have worked with computers and data bases for decades and their lag time on updating the Food databases just does not make any sense to me. "prairieroots" wrote in message alkaboutsupport.com... One reason I prefer this newsgroup to the message boards on the WW site is that here we state what works for us and then allow people to figure out for themselves what works best. What happens on the WW boards is that everyone is looking for absolutes, the definitive word on exactly what to do. I've seen a lot of blaming of WW, a lot of attempts to "bargain" with the program, a lot of anger, a lot of denial. Sounds a lot like the stages a person goes through when handed a diagnosis of incurable cancer. I've also seen acceptance on the WW boards, though not as predominantly as I experience here on a consistent basis. All the regulars here seem to have come to the place in their weight loss journey where we've accepted the hard reality, and sure, we're not always happy. We struggle. We groan. But as a group, we all seem to understand that the key to our ultimate success is us. Negativity is contagious. That's why I don't spend much time on the WW boards. I'm afraid it would hurt my program more than help it--from the way some people talk, you'd think WW was administered by the devil. I think people should do what works for them. If counting the additional items as points but the basic recipe as core works for someone (as evidenced by continued weight loss), then they should continue to work the program that way. But if weight loss is difficult or in reverse, then it might make sense to examine with rigorous honesty whether to follow the current WW guidelines more carefully. For example, WW core says fat-free plain yogurt is core. Well, not for me. I'm discovering that dairy of almost any kind is a trigger food for me. Some people find that they can eat one chocolate a day and have their sweet tooth satisfied. Not for me. One chocolate soon has me eating chocolates by the bag. In short, do what works. IMHO. -- Linda P |
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