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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:05:40 -0600, Lyle McDonald wrote:
Diarmid Logan wrote: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect This comes to you from the Dept. of No **** we Knew this 10 years ago Sherlock. The only confusion comes in that carbs don't appear to affect protein SYNTHESIS (an increase in insulin prmiarily affecting protein breakdown, decreasing it). HIgh AA concentrations stimulate protein synthesis. Cobmining the two (high insulin + high AA) gives better results, something that's been known for years. But thanks for being on the cutting edge of about 1995 or so. Lyle Lyle is right. It is 'old news.' Tipton/Wolfe and Ferrando, the protein metabolism kings ("We're all about protein metabolism" - private conversation), have demonstrated that AAs are superior over carbs for protein synthesis. In fact, a colleague of theirs demonstrated that simultaneous intake of carbs WITH AAs actually reduces protein synthesis in elderly compared to AA intake alone. (study published last year). The signaling pathway downstream of the insulin receptor in muscle diverges from that which induces protein synthesis, and leads to a reduction in the catabolic pathway of protein. Hence, the reason that the studies demonstrate that insulin reduces catabolism, but does not significantly increase protein synthesis. Beelzibub The human in us owes fealty to humanity. But the wolf in us acknowledges no master. |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, butnot enough for the desired effect
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:11:09 -0500, Patricia Heil wrote:
Diarmid is in the habit of posting things that are way too old for any intelligent person not to know them. I don't know why he does this. Maybe he thinks we are all stupid. Well, your post about 'carbs aren't supposed to help muscles' is just as ignorant. Beelzibub The human in us owes fealty to humanity. But the wolf in us acknowledges no master. |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect
"Mike V" wrote in message ink.net... "David" wrote in message ... "Mike V" wrote in message ink.net... "Lee Michaels" wrote in message news:z87%b.409140$na.796892@attbi_s04... "Mike V" whined A nasty SOB are you not? I am delighted not to be one of your friends. MikeV This may help you understand this newsgroup. http://home.comcast.net/~mfw/ Pay particular attention to # 19, # 23, # 24 and the closing remarks. Thanks for the fine info, Lee. Had I realized I was including the viagra users' group in my comment, I would have made appropriate allowance for the general level of intellectual discourse attained over there! Sorry, ;-( MikeV there are some pretty good people in this group - this guy just happens to be a prick I'm relieved, Dave. Apologies to all said 'good people', sidenafil citrate users, and all disadvantaged folks wherever they may be surfing. Sincerely, Mike LOL! |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but notenough for the desired effect
Mark Kvale wrote:
Lyle McDonald wrote: Diarmid Logan wrote: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect This comes to you from the Dept. of No **** we Knew this 10 years ago Sherlock. The only confusion comes in that carbs don't appear to affect protein SYNTHESIS (an increase in insulin prmiarily affecting protein breakdown, decreasing it). HIgh AA concentrations stimulate protein synthesis. Cobmining the two (high insulin + high AA) gives better results, something that's been known for years. But thanks for being on the cutting edge of about 1995 or so. Lyle That is a harsh reply to an informative article, Not really. one that you yourself learned something from. I doubt it. Perhaps you could give us a reference to the 1995 studies you refer to above, so that we may place the current work in better perspective. Mark This ought to be good. ps |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect
David wrote in message
[...] there are some pretty good people in this group - this guy just happens to be a prick Lyle also happens to be a supremely well-informed prick. Unfortunately, he knows it. -- "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'." Bob Hawke |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:46:48 +1100, "DRS"
wrote: David wrote in message [...] there are some pretty good people in this group - this guy just happens to be a prick Lyle also happens to be a supremely well-informed prick. Unfortunately, he knows it. McD is a "big fish" in a small pond; His area of 'expertise' is narrowly defined and confined, with the consequent effect upon those other minnows who he considers to be less well-informed!! He is also a self-confessed pervert who obsesses about his self-administered sexual 'adventures'! |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect
-- "William Brink" wrote in message ... In article , (Diarmid Logan) wrote: Bit of a "no duh" conclusion on this one. I like how the writer tries to make it sound so cutting edge and earth shattering. It's called knee-jerk research: PhD's tryna keep/justify dey jobs. Sorta the way Lyle posts 40 abstracts on a subject, not knowing what a single one of them really sez. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect -- Will Brink http://www.brinkzone.com/ http://musclebuildingnutrition.com/ http://www.aboutsupplements.com/ |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect
elzinator wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:05:40 -0600, Lyle McDonald wrote: Diarmid Logan wrote: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect This comes to you from the Dept. of No **** we Knew this 10 years ago Sherlock. The only confusion comes in that carbs don't appear to affect protein SYNTHESIS (an increase in insulin prmiarily affecting protein breakdown, decreasing it). HIgh AA concentrations stimulate protein synthesis. Cobmining the two (high insulin + high AA) gives better results, something that's been known for years. But thanks for being on the cutting edge of about 1995 or so. Lyle Lyle is right. It is 'old news.' It doesn't seem to be "old news" to the scientists involved in the research. |
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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, butnot enough for the desired effect
Patricia Heil wrote in message ...
Diarmid is in the habit of posting things that are way too old for any intelligent person not to know them. I don't know why he does this. Maybe he thinks we are all stupid. *Sigh* You really think that something that was released in February 2004 is "too old"? Lyle McDonald wrote: Diarmid Logan wrote: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect This comes to you from the Dept. of No **** we Knew this 10 years ago Sherlock. The only confusion comes in that carbs don't appear to affect protein SYNTHESIS (an increase in insulin prmiarily affecting protein breakdown, decreasing it). HIgh AA concentrations stimulate protein synthesis. Cobmining the two (high insulin + high AA) gives better results, something that's been known for years. But thanks for being on the cutting edge of about 1995 or so. Lyle |
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