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revek wrote:
Yes that is a doable approach, but he wouldn't get any of the other benefits of induction, namely almost imediate suppression of the appetite, dropping a bunch of excess water, breaking carb addiction I agree 100%, but if he can wean himself off whatever he is addicted to to more tolerable levels, then he can do induction .. just an extra step or four -- Kitty =^..^= NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!!! 168/160/130 – November Goal 155 September 17 2003 |
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revek wrote:
Ketosis is a natural human state, and we were designed to live in that state for large amounts of time (ice age didn't have large amounts of high carb food lying around). heh heh ..that's what I say when I try to explain WHY the eating this way is so beneficial to people. I tell them (being a total smartass of course) .. wayy back in time in a cave .. ugga .. we needums more BREAD ... uggabugga .. get some bread ugga at the store ugga .. Then they look at me (heh heh) and say, okay, you got a point there .. no **** sherlock! They tend to get the point very quickly. I just basically say, that way back when, man didn't have all these breads and crackers and pastas and staff .. Neanderthal man ate fruits, veggies, nuts, berries and meat .. heh .. even my 8 yo DS gets this concept -- Kitty =^..^= NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!!! 168/160/130 – November Goal 155 September 17 2003 |
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JC Der Koenig wrote:
"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message news:epArb.35259$%Q5.25028@edtnps84... "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... "Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message news:ONzrb.10340$jy.4331@clgrps13... "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message ... Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is categorized as obese. And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese? Idiot. Like I said, I do not have a ton of excess flab, and alot of it is muscle. so I don't put alot into what a persons BMI index is unless they are really noticeably fat. I don't have a double chin, and my arms, legs, and neck look slim. the weight I want to loose is around my stomach and sides, to give you an idea. I'm the one that wrote that you're probably NOT obese. Low carbing (not neccessarily Atkins) is a proven winner in dropping bodyfat% if you engage in a consistent exercise program. Lifting heavy things would be preferred over cardio stuff. If you feel that you must do cardio, look into HIIT. Sorry, I didn't meant to sound combative. I appreciate what you said. I can work out, do weights. That isn't a problem. I have noticed in the past that my muscles react very well to a workout, and within a few weeks I see a difference, the problem was before that I had tried a low fat low calorie diet, with LOTS of cardio, which left me constantly hungry and needing more and more cardio to keep up with any sort of weight loss. I believe that muscle burns fat, and that gaining a reasonable amount of well toned muscle will eventually speed up metabolism to a certain degree (I am not being unrealistic though, I have a medium paced metabolism), and that in time I can kick some of this fat off. I have a question. In the first phase of Atkins, you are stuck at less than 30 grams of carbs a day. A low carb diet is what the Suzanne sommers diet is based around, and I hear it really works, so how many carbs is "low carb". Obviously you want to cut out the empty carbs like glucose-fructose and white sugars, and replace them with complete complex sugars, but how many carbs do you cut out? Most of this has already been answered by others already. Just cut your carbs until you find the amount that lets you get through the day and still lose fat. I would also add that walnuts, pecans, almonds and sunflower seeds are a very good supplement to a low carb diet, as long as you don't over-do them. **THUD** **kitty has passed out from shock .... -- Kitty =^..^= NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!!! 168/160/130 – November Goal 155 September 17 2003 |
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roger wrote:
Btw, it is not a lack of IQ, it is low IQ. heh heh .. you sure that they aren't the same thing in some cases??? -- Kitty =^..^= NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!!! 168/160/130 – November Goal 155 September 17 2003 |
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On 9 Nov 2003 20:06:43 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" wrote:
Vegetarian wrote: JC Der Koenig wrote: Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is categorized as obese. And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese? Idiot. I highly doubt that having this pile of useless, worthless muscles is doing anything good for his health. Having a BMI of 32 is bad. Being fat at BMI 32 is horrible, being muscular at BMI 32 is not that great either. References? Can you point to any peer-reviewed studies that indicate that "excess" muscle mass raises health risk? BMI is used as a simple-minded proxy for BF% because, in the broad cross-section of society, people with high BMI have high BF. It is an unwarranted leap to conclude that high BMI with low BF% causes health risk. Some dumbo bodybuilders think that by growing muscles, they are doing themselves a favor. One needs to only look at their IQ to realize that it is not the case and that they are not benefitting. Fascinating. Please describe the process by which you conflated an interest in hypertropy with a lack of IQ. He's troll bait, Wayne. Ignore. |
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"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message ... The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote: Couldn't he just remove the refined carbs in his diet and slowly back into it since the actual induction period is way to hard on him?? of course he can. Okay then what's the big deal??? Or am I missing something .. Rule of thumb .. for exercise and intake .. "LISTEN TO YOUR BODY" Some people are so saturated with carbs physically, and steeped in the 'party line' aka the food pyramid, that they have stopped listening to their bodies, if they ever knew how. revek --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003 |
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revek wrote:
Some people are so saturated with carbs physically, and steeped in the 'party line' aka the food pyramid, that they have stopped listening to their bodies, if they ever knew how. I rather like our inverted or negative food pyramid better. True .. my boo -- Kitty =^..^= NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!!! 168/160/130 – November Goal 155 September 17 2003 |
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(Qilt Kitty) wrote: revek wrote: Yes that is a doable approach, but he wouldn't get any of the other benefits of induction, namely almost imediate suppression of the appetite, dropping a bunch of excess water, breaking carb addiction I agree 100%, but if he can wean himself off whatever he is addicted to to more tolerable levels, then he can do induction .. just an extra step or four I did the "weaning" thing. I used to eat pasta twice a day, usually skipped breakfast. I didn't count carbs but I started by replacing one pasta meal a day with a salad with grilled chicken, and then 2 or 3 weeks later I replaced my other pasta meal with a low-carb option, such as steak and brocolli, meat and cheese rollups, fish and creamed spinach, etc. I had already stopped with the chips and candy many months before while trying to do low-fat. I never did care much for cereal or sandwiches, so I didn't have to eliminate those, just that darn pasta. I didn't really know anything about Atkins when I started low-carbing, I was just trying to eat foods that didn't make me so sleepy, and the weight loss was a surprise. I never had that big loss from induction, but hey, 35-ish pounds gone since May, fine by me. -- -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna |
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"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" wrote in message news:uuArb.35332$%Q5.11072@edtnps84...
Yeah, that is what I am starting to read from this thread. As I said, the induction phase was hard on my PHYSICALLY. some people claim that its a lack of discipline that keeps many away, but for me it was "I think I am going to pass out, my hands are shaking" sort of problem. I had a volleyball match during my first week. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. here is this 37 y.o. 220 lb woman trying to play 4 games of competitive volleyball with 20 somethings during Induction and having an asthma attack. so between the diet and albuterol which also reduces potassium, I thought I was going to die! but I played and made it through and I have changed my life to become better to the nth degree!!!!!! so it was worth it. btw, my game has improved tremendously. it's amazing how much easier it is to jump when you lose 75 lbs! Lori 220/145/135 LC since 1/17/03 Nov Challenge 145/140 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller |
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