WARNING: Industry Is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health

wrote in message
u.edu...
Regarding a silvir containing nostrum:

"I forgot to add to the list above.
Number one, get an education in science before you continue making a
fool of
yourself.

Chunks? Rusted ? in water? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"

" Number one, get an education in science before you continue making a
fool of
yourself.

Chunks? Rusted ? in water? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha""

Yep, chuncks, to which they go to great lengths to define the chunck
range as it is important in the patent. Rust, yup, the chuncks are
oxidized,ie. rusted, to which they go to some lengths to make sure by
bubling air through the mixture. In water, yup, in a ratio of 5 to 14
parts of rusted silver chuncks to 1 million parts of water with a small
amount of hydrogenperoxide of the kind found in most households as an
antiseptic.

The patent gives 20 years protection for that mixture, it does not
confirm or support any health claims made about it. The company is free
to use the patent in marketing for a public who is not informed what
having a patent means.

Now vernon is outed as a "pharmablogger", nay a self confessed one, he
makes best use of the billions the pharma industry has invested in
disinformation psychology research to say:

"Prescriptions should be treated like surgery. Use only when a last
resort.

Over your pharm bought, raised and paid for head, I know."

Of course the hidden message is that prescriptions are the last resort,
as he teaches doctors why the products his pharma backers peddle are
best.

Btw, we await still that example of a "pharmablogger", other then
yourself of course, in a post so we can see one at work.

wrote:
Now vernon is outed as a "pharmablogger", nay a self confessed one, he
makes best use of the billions the pharma industry has invested in
disinformation psychology research to say:

"Prescriptions should be treated like surgery. Use only when a last
resort.

Over your pharm bought, raised and paid for head, I know."

Of course the hidden message is that prescriptions are the last resort,
as he teaches doctors why the products his pharma backers peddle are
best.

Btw, we await still that example of a "pharmablogger", other then
yourself of course, in a post so we can see one at work.

Gotta mirror?

vernon wrote:
"PeterB" wrote in message
ups.com...

vernon wrote:
"BrentB" wrote in message
ups.com...

PeterB wrote:
BrentB wrote:
wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of
"pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me despite
all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several
times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the "alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live
example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all the
other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or
a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing
all direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA
regulated nostrums because that is where they are losing money.

PeterB

I believe the patent is for ASAP colloidal silver.
Peter (or anyone), would you know the intricacies involved in this? The
position of the EPA/FDA/FTC are, or will be, obvious...still a patent
exist for a silver non-toxic disinfectant (better schultzie?). Does the
patent trump the shenanigans from the above agencies?


1. The statements in the patent request must be justified or eliminated.
They stand.

ALSO

SILVER KILLS VIRUSES, STUDY FINDS

The New Silver Solution® consists of very tiny (about 10 nanometers long)
particles of pure elemental silver suspended in a solution of very pure
water, sold in bottles with concentrations of 14 parts of silver for every
million parts of water (14 ppm). Even when it was tested at 200 times the
normal adult dosage, the NEW Silver Solution® was found to be completely
non-toxic - unlike many antibiotics and other silver products.

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com
In a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published a
study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to kill
virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the
University
of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study to ever explore
the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to Physorg.

After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C, the silver particles killed 100%
of the virus within 3 hours for all three methods.

While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that
nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses.

Thanks, I somehow missed it. I may have to reconsider my position on
silver in solution, however I suspect this could be a reference to what
is more accurately known as a hydrosol. I remember there was a press
statement from one company saying it wanted to encapsulate nanosilver
in order to ensure that it makes it into the intestinal tract, at least
for certain types of infection. Logically, if you can get the stuff
into your cells, it has the chance to kill whatever host defenses miss.


Peter

You are mostly correct silver solutions.

There is one and only one solution as described above.

The digestive system doesn't have much effect at all on the mentioned
solution. Colloidal solution is an over simplification. I don't pretend to
know the exact consistancy but it does "invade" the cells with ZERO
"negative" effect found to date. Besides getting into cells it creates an
electrical frequency which heals. (No, not magic or nanu nanu. Almost ALL
body functions are controlled by feilds at different frequencies.) That's
why for SOME people in SOME environments, with SOME maladies, magnets seem
to do wonders.

If I'm not mistaken, the evidence for a link to cancer in children
living near electrical stations is quite strong, so we can't discount
the possibility that fields of energy affect life at the cell level.
We don't even know how biofeedback works, we just know that it does.

Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative Sammybaby wrote:
: HCN wrote:

: None of those groups are blogs.
:
: (you claiming otherwise makes you look like an idiot)

: Good point. Now I can focus on this detail and dismiss the rest of
: what he is saying. He must be wrong. Thank God there are rational
: people here.

For better or for worse, many people reason inductively as follows: if
a poster cannot even get simple, easily verified facts correct, what is
his track record likely to be on controversial or complicated matters?

Sounds like that beam in your eye is taking you for a ride, pharmboy.

"PeterB" wrote in message
oups.com...

vernon wrote:
"PeterB" wrote in message
ups.com...

vernon wrote:
"BrentB" wrote in message
ups.com...

PeterB wrote:
BrentB wrote:
wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of
"pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me
despite
all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several
times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as
requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity
of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the
"alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live
example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all
the
other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of
the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office
or
a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with
your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard
antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have
more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing
all direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA
regulated nostrums because that is where they are losing money.

PeterB

I believe the patent is for ASAP colloidal silver.
Peter (or anyone), would you know the intricacies involved in this?
The
position of the EPA/FDA/FTC are, or will be, obvious...still a patent
exist for a silver non-toxic disinfectant (better schultzie?). Does
the
patent trump the shenanigans from the above agencies?


1. The statements in the patent request must be justified or eliminated.
They stand.

ALSO

SILVER KILLS VIRUSES, STUDY FINDS

The New Silver Solution® consists of very tiny (about 10 nanometers
long)
particles of pure elemental silver suspended in a solution of very pure
water, sold in bottles with concentrations of 14 parts of silver for
every
million parts of water (14 ppm). Even when it was tested at 200 times
the
normal adult dosage, the NEW Silver Solution® was found to be completely
non-toxic - unlike many antibiotics and other silver products.

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com
In a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published a
study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to kill
virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the
University
of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study to ever
explore
the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to Physorg.

After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C, the silver particles killed
100%
of the virus within 3 hours for all three methods.

While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that
nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses.

Thanks, I somehow missed it. I may have to reconsider my position on
silver in solution, however I suspect this could be a reference to what
is more accurately known as a hydrosol. I remember there was a press
statement from one company saying it wanted to encapsulate nanosilver
in order to ensure that it makes it into the intestinal tract, at least
for certain types of infection. Logically, if you can get the stuff
into your cells, it has the chance to kill whatever host defenses miss.


Peter

You are mostly correct silver solutions.

There is one and only one solution as described above.

The digestive system doesn't have much effect at all on the mentioned
solution. Colloidal solution is an over simplification. I don't pretend
to
know the exact consistancy but it does "invade" the cells with ZERO
"negative" effect found to date. Besides getting into cells it creates an
electrical frequency which heals. (No, not magic or nanu nanu. Almost
ALL
body functions are controlled by feilds at different frequencies.) That's
why for SOME people in SOME environments, with SOME maladies, magnets seem
to do wonders.

If I'm not mistaken, the evidence for a link to cancer in children
living near electrical stations is quite strong,

Very High voltage, high current transmission lines.
There has been much published. It makes sense, but there is a lot of
argument. To me, a 30 to one ratio is pretty convincing.

so we can't discount
the possibility that fields of energy affect life at the cell level.
We don't even know how biofeedback works, we just know that it does.

The body is ENTIRELY controlled by electrical and electromagnetic processes.
ENTIRELY.

All of the vits and mins work together in the process.

Brain functions, ALL Electomagnetic.
Heart process, ALL Electromagnetic.
Pain, ALL electromagnetic.
Muscle contraction, ALL electromagnetic.

Note electromagnetic is not electrical, not magnetism, but a varying
interactive combination.


Next thing will be people that say Tasers are psychosomatic.

wrote in message
u.edu...
Now vernon is outed as a "pharmablogger", nay a self confessed one, he
makes best use of the billions the pharma industry has invested in
disinformation psychology research to say:

"Prescriptions should be treated like surgery. Use only when a last
resort.

Over your pharm bought, raised and paid for head, I know."

Of course the hidden message is that prescriptions are the last resort,
as he teaches doctors why the products his pharma backers peddle are
best.

Not backed by any Pharm.
They don't like me, but many listen.


Btw, we await still that example of a "pharmablogger", other then
yourself of course, in a post so we can see one at work.

Y-O-U
100%
You ACTUALLY believe what they say. It's called the sockermom syndrome.

Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: Silver is a trace
: element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety of plant foods,
: including mushrooms. Humans have therefore evolved to (probably)
: beneficially (or at least benignly) metabolize it.

Lead is a trace element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety
of plant foods. Selenium is a trace element found in soil, water, and a
variety of plant foods. Are you suggesting that humans have therefore
evolved to beneficially or at least beningnly [sic] metabolize them as well?

You apparently don't know that selenium is a nutrient required for good
health. With respect to naturally-occuring elements that are not
nutrients, we have evolved to safely chelate them out of the body when
exposed to trace amounts, or at least to survive them in trace amounts.
I thought you were a scientist, pharmboy.

PeterB

vernon wrote:
"PeterB" wrote in message
oups.com...

vernon wrote:
"PeterB" wrote in message
ups.com...

vernon wrote:
"BrentB" wrote in message
ups.com...

PeterB wrote:
BrentB wrote:
wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of
"pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me
despite
all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several
times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as
requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity
of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the
"alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live
example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all
the
other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of
the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office
or
a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with
your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard
antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have
more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing
all direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA
regulated nostrums because that is where they are losing money.

PeterB

I believe the patent is for ASAP colloidal silver.
Peter (or anyone), would you know the intricacies involved in this?
The
position of the EPA/FDA/FTC are, or will be, obvious...still a patent
exist for a silver non-toxic disinfectant (better schultzie?). Does
the
patent trump the shenanigans from the above agencies?


1. The statements in the patent request must be justified or eliminated.
They stand.

ALSO

SILVER KILLS VIRUSES, STUDY FINDS

The New Silver Solution® consists of very tiny (about 10 nanometers
long)
particles of pure elemental silver suspended in a solution of very pure
water, sold in bottles with concentrations of 14 parts of silver for
every
million parts of water (14 ppm). Even when it was tested at 200 times
the
normal adult dosage, the NEW Silver Solution® was found to be completely
non-toxic - unlike many antibiotics and other silver products.

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com
In a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published a
study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to kill
virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the
University
of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study to ever
explore
the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to Physorg.

After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C, the silver particles killed
100%
of the virus within 3 hours for all three methods.

While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that
nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses.

Thanks, I somehow missed it. I may have to reconsider my position on
silver in solution, however I suspect this could be a reference to what
is more accurately known as a hydrosol. I remember there was a press
statement from one company saying it wanted to encapsulate nanosilver
in order to ensure that it makes it into the intestinal tract, at least
for certain types of infection. Logically, if you can get the stuff
into your cells, it has the chance to kill whatever host defenses miss.


Peter

You are mostly correct silver solutions.

There is one and only one solution as described above.

The digestive system doesn't have much effect at all on the mentioned
solution. Colloidal solution is an over simplification. I don't pretend
to
know the exact consistancy but it does "invade" the cells with ZERO
"negative" effect found to date. Besides getting into cells it creates an
electrical frequency which heals. (No, not magic or nanu nanu. Almost
ALL
body functions are controlled by feilds at different frequencies.) That's
why for SOME people in SOME environments, with SOME maladies, magnets seem
to do wonders.

If I'm not mistaken, the evidence for a link to cancer in children
living near electrical stations is quite strong,

Very High voltage, high current transmission lines.
There has been much published. It makes sense, but there is a lot of
argument. To me, a 30 to one ratio is pretty convincing.

so we can't discount
the possibility that fields of energy affect life at the cell level.
We don't even know how biofeedback works, we just know that it does.

The body is ENTIRELY controlled by electrical and electromagnetic processes.
ENTIRELY.

All of the vits and mins work together in the process.

Brain functions, ALL Electomagnetic.
Heart process, ALL Electromagnetic.
Pain, ALL electromagnetic.
Muscle contraction, ALL electromagnetic.

Note electromagnetic is not electrical, not magnetism, but a varying
interactive combination.


Next thing will be people that say Tasers are psychosomatic.

Or that drugs are nutritious.