WARNING: Industry Is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health

The outed self confessed "pharmablogger" vernon considers:

"Not backed by any Pharm.
They don't like me, but many listen."

Exactly, using the disinformation and the psychology billions in
research from the pharma to learn how, you steer doctors to your
products to keep those sales up.


Btw, we await still that example of a "pharmablogger", other then
yourself of course, in a post so we can see one at work.

Y-O-U 100% You ACTUALLY believe what they say. It's called the
sockermom syndrome."

I have neither a volvo nor vulva, the real syndrome at work here is the
stockholm syndrom. People taken captive in a kidnapping come to support
the grievances of the captors. Once you chose to fall into pharma hands
you rove newsgroups doing the disinformation in support of pharma but
hidden behind a false face of "educating"othrs about the real pharma, a
prime tactic in disinformation to gain support for pharma.

Aha, this is the vaunted science over which you have so much command,
the science of "electromagnetic" basis of biological life. Give us a
break, everyone knows that all the evidence for this effect is from the
nm ufo crash and the government is not letting that out in public. Who
are you anyway and why do you have access to this super top secret level
information? Have the pharma people paid off someone in the airforce
for this technology and are about to use it for world domination? It's
time to come clean again. Goodness if I had but 1/10 of the science you
have at your fingertips!

"Colloidal solution is an over simplification. I don't pretend
to
know the exact consistancy but it does "invade" the cells with ZERO
"negative" effect found to date. Besides getting into cells it
creates an
electrical frequency which heals. (No, not magic or nanu nanu.
Almost
ALL
body functions are controlled by feilds at different frequencies.)
That's
why for SOME people in SOME environments, with SOME maladies, magnets
seem
to do wonders.

If I'm not mistaken, the evidence for a link to cancer in children
living near electrical stations is quite strong,

Very High voltage, high current transmission lines.
There has been much published. It makes sense, but there is a lot of
argument. To me, a 30 to one ratio is pretty convincing.

so we can't discount
the possibility that fields of energy affect life at the cell level.
We don't even know how biofeedback works, we just know that it does.

"The body is ENTIRELY controlled by electrical and electromagnetic
processes.
ENTIRELY.

All of the vits and mins work together in the process.

Brain functions, ALL Electomagnetic. Heart process, ALL Electromagnetic.
Pain, ALL electromagnetic. Muscle contraction, ALL electromagnetic.

Note electromagnetic is not electrical, not magnetism, but a varying
interactive combination."

"Or that drugs are nutritious."

Or that "alternative drugs" are "nutritional supplements".

Are you getting enough silver? Hey buddy, psssst, here is a silver
nostrum that will take care of all those nutritional silver deficiencies
that cause loss of hair, general lackluster feelings and constipation
and your otherwise humdrum life. This magic in a bottle will perk you
up in no time at all, yeseree! And for a short time only, get two magic
bottles for the price of one, only $39.95 each month for the rest of
your life.


Got cancer, step right over here to my mexican travel agency and sign up
for the nutritional deficiencies cure, have we gotta a deal for you,
laetril is the thing for you. These modern lifestyles suck the natural
laetril right out of your body and it is almost depleated in the soil.
Ya don't wanna get cancer do you? We will supply you with a laetril
deficiency reversing program and throw a vacation to mexico in to the
bargin. Step right up!!!

In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: : Silver is a trace
: : element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety of plant foods,
: : including mushrooms. Humans have therefore evolved to (probably)
: : beneficially (or at least benignly) metabolize it.

: Lead is a trace element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety
: of plant foods. Selenium is a trace element found in soil, water, and a
: variety of plant foods. Are you suggesting that humans have therefore
: evolved to beneficially or at least beningnly [sic] metabolize them as well?

: You apparently don't know that selenium is a nutrient required for good
: health.

You fell into the trap. Selenium in *very* small amounts is required
for the body to function. In larger doses, it is poisonous. And smelly
(although not as bad as tellurium).

: With respect to naturally-occuring elements that are not
: nutrients, we have evolved to safely chelate them out of the body when
: exposed to trace amounts, or at least to survive them in trace amounts.

What evidence do you have that the body has evolved to chelate lead
out of the body? Do you think that banning lead in paint and as a fuel
additive was necessary, given that we can "survive" it in trace amounts?
When does a "trace" amount become a "dangerous" amount?

Do you think that adding trace amounts of fluoride (a naturally-occuring
element) is harmless?

: I thought you were a scientist, pharmboy.

I am, and one who quite obviously knows a *lot* more about chemistry
than you do. Of course, you are not a scientist. What are you exactly?

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: With respect to naturally-occuring elements that are not
: nutrients, we have evolved to safely chelate them out of the body when
: exposed to trace amounts, or at least to survive them in trace amounts.

If I give you a trace amount of arsenic every day for a few months,
do you think that you'll still be around to be telling me about how
harmless it is? Would you be willing to undertake the experiment?

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I love people. But I don't suffer fools gladly."
-- Deborah Lipstadt

Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: : Silver is a trace
: : element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety of plant foods,
: : including mushrooms. Humans have therefore evolved to (probably)
: : beneficially (or at least benignly) metabolize it.

: Lead is a trace element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety
: of plant foods. Selenium is a trace element found in soil, water, and a
: variety of plant foods. Are you suggesting that humans have therefore
: evolved to beneficially or at least beningnly [sic] metabolize them as well?

: You apparently don't know that selenium is a nutrient required for good
: health.

You fell into the trap. Selenium in *very* small amounts is required
for the body to function. In larger doses, it is poisonous. And smelly
(although not as bad as tellurium).

Non sequitur. Every nutrient is effective at its optimal level of
intake. Selenium is beneficially metabolized, a fact you seem not to
have known.

: With respect to naturally-occuring elements that are not
: nutrients, we have evolved to safely chelate them out of the body when
: exposed to trace amounts, or at least to survive them in trace amounts.

What evidence do you have that the body has evolved to chelate lead
out of the body? Do you think that banning lead in paint and as a fuel
additive was necessary, given that we can "survive" it in trace amounts?
When does a "trace" amount become a "dangerous" amount?

OT to this thread. You can see comments on that subject in hundreds of
posts in the archives. Having "stumbled into mha accidentally," I
suggest you make better use of your time here, pharmboy.

Do you think that adding trace amounts of fluoride (a naturally-occuring
element) is harmless?

That wouldn't be a naturally-occuring level of exposure, now would it?


: I thought you were a scientist, pharmboy.

I am, and one who quite obviously knows a *lot* more about chemistry
than you do.

Sure, pharmboy, whatever you say.

Of course, you are not a scientist. What are you exactly?

Yoda.

wrote in message
u.edu...
"Or that drugs are nutritious."

Or that "alternative drugs" are "nutritional supplements".

Are you getting enough silver? Hey buddy, psssst, here is a silver
nostrum that will take care of all those nutritional silver deficiencies
that cause loss of hair, general lackluster feelings and constipation
and your otherwise humdrum life. This magic in a bottle will perk you
up in no time at all, yeseree! And for a short time only, get two magic
bottles for the price of one, only $39.95 each month for the rest of
your life.


Got cancer, step right over here to my mexican travel agency and sign up
for the nutritional deficiencies cure, have we gotta a deal for you,
laetril is the thing for you. These modern lifestyles suck the natural
laetril right out of your body and it is almost depleated in the soil.
Ya don't wanna get cancer do you? We will supply you with a laetril
deficiency reversing program and throw a vacation to mexico in to the
bargin. Step right up!!!

Very informative. Sounds like a pharm sale person. Hey do you have pretty
legs?

Gotcha, sweetie pie
Get an education.

I posted what the general medical world actually teaches and is doing a lot
of research on. The so-called Alternative world hasn't got a grasp as yet.
The only thing it MAY mean to them is the "whys" of some products, not the
"ifs". In traditional medicine it is also mostly the "whys" but a lot of
research is going into how to enhance OR localize reactions to/for cures.

I don't even have to present any alternatives to weed out the uneducated Med
worshippers, typically pharm sales people.

Do you have a clue about what the majority of "scans" are based upon.
I'll bet you NEVER heard of a bio-Z test. (performed in many cardio doctor's
labs and no naturopath I am aware of)
You are probably unaware that as more research goes on and frequencies are
changed or combined, the less (or no) radioactive materials are needed in
many scans.

Now go back to your pharmer school.
Shave your legs face and arms and put on a big smile. (no matter whether you
are male or female)
You DID take the 6 unit course on shaving, didn't you?

BTW, my other sig is "iconoclast"

Oh, yes, you might look into Quantum Physics. That's deep enough that the
pseudo scientists are having a "field" day. (Pun intended).
But, yes, Quantum Physics is real.

Thank you for responding.
It was fun.
he he he he he he he he


wrote in message
u.edu...
Aha, this is the vaunted science over which you have so much command,
the science of "electromagnetic" basis of biological life. Give us a
break, everyone knows that all the evidence for this effect is from the
nm ufo crash and the government is not letting that out in public. Who
are you anyway and why do you have access to this super top secret level
information? Have the pharma people paid off someone in the airforce
for this technology and are about to use it for world domination? It's
time to come clean again. Goodness if I had but 1/10 of the science you
have at your fingertips!

"Colloidal solution is an over simplification. I don't pretend
to
know the exact consistancy but it does "invade" the cells with ZERO
"negative" effect found to date. Besides getting into cells it
creates an
electrical frequency which heals. (No, not magic or nanu nanu.
Almost
ALL
body functions are controlled by feilds at different frequencies.)
That's
why for SOME people in SOME environments, with SOME maladies, magnets
seem
to do wonders.

If I'm not mistaken, the evidence for a link to cancer in children
living near electrical stations is quite strong,

Very High voltage, high current transmission lines.
There has been much published. It makes sense, but there is a lot of
argument. To me, a 30 to one ratio is pretty convincing.

so we can't discount
the possibility that fields of energy affect life at the cell level.
We don't even know how biofeedback works, we just know that it does.

"The body is ENTIRELY controlled by electrical and electromagnetic
processes.
ENTIRELY.

All of the vits and mins work together in the process.

Brain functions, ALL Electomagnetic. Heart process, ALL Electromagnetic.
Pain, ALL electromagnetic. Muscle contraction, ALL electromagnetic.

Note electromagnetic is not electrical, not magnetism, but a varying
interactive combination."

"PeterB" wrote in message
ps.com...

Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: : Silver is a trace
: : element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety of plant
foods,
: : including mushrooms. Humans have therefore evolved to (probably)
: : beneficially (or at least benignly) metabolize it.

: Lead is a trace element in nature, found in soil, water, and a variety
: of plant foods. Selenium is a trace element found in soil, water, and
a
: variety of plant foods. Are you suggesting that humans have therefore
: evolved to beneficially or at least beningnly [sic] metabolize them as
well?

: You apparently don't know that selenium is a nutrient required for good
: health.

You fell into the trap. Selenium in *very* small amounts is required
for the body to function. In larger doses, it is poisonous. And smelly
(although not as bad as tellurium).

Non sequitur. Every nutrient is effective at its optimal level of
intake. Selenium is beneficially metabolized, a fact you seem not to
have known.

: With respect to naturally-occuring elements that are not
: nutrients, we have evolved to safely chelate them out of the body when
: exposed to trace amounts, or at least to survive them in trace amounts.

What evidence do you have that the body has evolved to chelate lead
out of the body? Do you think that banning lead in paint and as a fuel
additive was necessary, given that we can "survive" it in trace amounts?
When does a "trace" amount become a "dangerous" amount?

OT to this thread. You can see comments on that subject in hundreds of
posts in the archives. Having "stumbled into mha accidentally," I
suggest you make better use of your time here, pharmboy.

Do you think that adding trace amounts of fluoride (a naturally-occuring
element) is harmless?

That wouldn't be a naturally-occuring level of exposure, now would it?


: I thought you were a scientist, pharmboy.

I am, and one who quite obviously knows a *lot* more about chemistry
than you do.

Sure, pharmboy, whatever you say.

Of course, you are not a scientist. What are you exactly?

Yoda.


Selenium is leached out of almost all farm soil today.

"Selenium is leached out of almost all farm soil today."

And what is more alarming is that it contains no laetril at all except
maybe under some fruit trees. Did you ever notice that fruit trees
never get cancer?