WARNING: Industry Is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health

Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative BrentB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: o Do you believe that it the hypothesis that the Jews, the Jesuits, and the
: Masons are conspiring to take over the world is a reasonable one?

: Do you believe the 9-11 commission report is reasonable?

What does the one have to do with the other? "PeterB" posted a "Reading
List" that includes inter alia a book written by someone who appears to
believe (among other random conspiracy theories) that the Jews, the Jesuits,
and the Masons are conspiring to take over the world. I believe that it
is reasonable to ask "PeterB" whether he believes that this theory is a
reasonable one.

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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

Achilles heal.

BrentB wrote:
Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative BrentB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: o Do you believe that it the hypothesis that the Jews, the Jesuits, and the
: Masons are conspiring to take over the world is a reasonable one?

: Do you believe the 9-11 commission report is reasonable?

What does the one have to do with the other? "PeterB" posted a "Reading
List" that includes inter alia a book written by someone who appears to
believe (among other random conspiracy theories) that the Jews, the Jesuits,
and the Masons are conspiring to take over the world. I believe that it
is reasonable to ask "PeterB" whether he believes that this theory is a
reasonable one.

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

Achilles heel.

"If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies."

I'll bite, what is your answer and what does it have to do with the as
of yet not illustrated charge of industry plants coming to newsgroups to
pester the poor "alternative" folk on the basis of the scientific
validity of their claims?

I recall the silver thread, the patent office makes no statements about
the validity nor application of patent claims, only about determining if
the claims are original to the applicant. I have nothing in mind but
some substance or another could be both in their activity and come under
both offices, we can even add the fda as a third as to drug claims and
the ftc as to marketing claims.

"What do pharmabloggers, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus all have in
common?


They do not exist."

Now now, as per the sterling sandbagging logic setup in the original
post for you to say this automagically exposes yourself as a
"pharmablogger".

In misc.health.alternative BrentB wrote:

: If your

I see that spelling and grammar are your Achilles' heal [sic].

: that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
: silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
: "pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

Silver nanoparticles cannot be an antibiotic by definition. My very first
published scientific paper was about silver nanoparticles, although in
those days, we called it "colloidal silver."

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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"It is better to adopt the simplest explanation, even if it is not simple,
even if it does not explain very much."
-- Samuel Beckett, _Malone Dies_

BrentB wrote:
wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of "pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me despite all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the "alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all the other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing
all direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA
regulated nostrums because that is where they are losing money.

PeterB

wrote:
"If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies."

I'll bite, what is your answer and what does it have to do with the as
of yet not illustrated charge of industry plants coming to newsgroups to
pester the poor "alternative" folk on the basis of the scientific
validity of their claims?

I recall the silver thread, the patent office makes no statements about
the validity nor application of patent claims, only about determining if
the claims are original to the applicant. I have nothing in mind but
some substance or another could be both in their activity and come under
both offices, we can even add the fda as a third as to drug claims and
the ftc as to marketing claims.

From the approved patent.

Treatment of humans with colloidal silver composition

Various modifications, however, will remain readily apparent to those
skilled in the art, since the general principles of the present
invention have been defined herein specifically to provide an improved
colloidal silver product with significant abilities to kill human
pathogens both in vivo and in vitro.

Now the EPA has come out and stated silver is a pesticide. Simple as
this...either your an idiot and consider silver (found naturally
everywhere) a pesticide or you're a pharmablogger who states the same.

In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
: silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
: "pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.
:
: The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
: purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
: medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with your
: AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard antibiotics.

No, you will get several people who will ask you (a) what evidence do
you have that "silver nanoparticles" are effective against bacteria
in vivo; (b) what evidence do you have that "silver nanoparticles" are
*safe* when used at doses high enough to be effective against bacteria
in vivo; (c) what relationship (if any) there is between the mean size
of the nanoparticles, the size distribution, the dose, and the response;
(d) how injection of a heavy metal into the body can possibly be good for
the body, given that we did not evolve any means of metabolizing silver;
(e) how injection of silver nanoparticles as a treatment against bacteria
differs in principle from the injection of cisplatin as a treatment
against cancer.

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

PeterB wrote:
BrentB wrote:
wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of "pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me despite all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the "alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all the other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing
all direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA
regulated nostrums because that is where they are losing money.

PeterB

I believe the patent is for ASAP colloidal silver.
Peter (or anyone), would you know the intricacies involved in this? The
position of the EPA/FDA/FTC are, or will be, obvious...still a patent
exist for a silver non-toxic disinfectant (better schultzie?). Does the
patent trump the shenanigans from the above agencies?

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u.edu...
We know we know, please provide the one example of "pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me despite all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the "alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all the other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of the
"alternative" industry posters?


For your limited intellectual interest, no mention was made by me or the
original poster of the thread that many so-called alties were not off the
wall.

About 1/5 of the people are Pharm toads.
About 1/5 are Doctors (several specialties) protecting their religion
About 2/5 are people pushing some agenda in the "alternate" world. About
1/2 of those are conspiracy kooks. Several are pushers of some magic
vitamin or mineral.
The other 1/5 is trying to attain some interactive information.

YOU by nature belong in all of the first three groups.
You don't read.
You can't read.
You purposely miss-read.
YOU provide no information, no analysis, no first hand experience, no cuts
from journals for either side on ANY of the N.G.s to which you are now
posting.

BTW
My PRIMARY direct association outside this N.G. is with doctors' groups and
Pharmaceutical studies.

Now, within the mentioned N.G.s, tell us your input on the comparative
pluses and minuses of these products that have similar usages. (They all
have pluses and minuses.) (Some can be taken together) ( Uneducated Doctors
kill with the inappropriate use of some)

Plavix
Cumodin
Nattokinase
Omega-3
Padma Basic
Aspirin

OR
Give us some other similar comparison of other products which have similar
actions as each other.