WARNING: Industry Is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health

"The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing all
direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA regulated
nostrums because that is where they are losing money."

I can see how one so often on the short, nay disappearing, end of an
argument would develope such emotion and perfection of hand waving and
foot stomping, and even more reason to have others justified in their
view that is the place and best you can demonstrate.

After having a mirror placed before one it is impossible after a time
not to take in some facts and reality of the image seen and rebell
against it while knowing all the time it is accurate and to attribute to
others what is seen fully before your own eyes.

(Richard Schultz) wrote:

In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: I don't push products, I merely point out the differences between drugs
: and nutrients.

What deficiency disease is caused by a lack of "Vitamin B17" in the diet?



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wrote:
"What do pharmabloggers, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus all have in
common?


They do not exist."

Now now, as per the sterling sandbagging logic setup in the original
post for you to say this automagically exposes yourself as a
"pharmablogger".

You mean I do not exist?

"PeterB" wrote in message
ups.com...

vernon wrote:
"BrentB" wrote in message
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PeterB wrote:
BrentB wrote:
wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of
"pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me despite
all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several
times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the "alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live
example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all the
other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or
a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

The result would be a predictable barage of pharmboys whose only
purpose is to leverage such duplicity into the message that "good
medicine" is beyond your comprehension, that you should stick with your
AMA-knighted practicioner and remain addicted to standard antibiotics.
As for your example, they aren't so interested in the silver coating
technology because it doesn't represent the breadth of application
attributed to prescription drugs, however you'll notice they have more
to say about consumer use of colloidals. You'll see them ridiculing
all direct-to-consumer products that compete directly with FDA
regulated nostrums because that is where they are losing money.

PeterB

I believe the patent is for ASAP colloidal silver.
Peter (or anyone), would you know the intricacies involved in this? The
position of the EPA/FDA/FTC are, or will be, obvious...still a patent
exist for a silver non-toxic disinfectant (better schultzie?). Does the
patent trump the shenanigans from the above agencies?


1. The statements in the patent request must be justified or eliminated.
They stand.

ALSO

SILVER KILLS VIRUSES, STUDY FINDS

The New Silver Solution® consists of very tiny (about 10 nanometers long)
particles of pure elemental silver suspended in a solution of very pure
water, sold in bottles with concentrations of 14 parts of silver for every
million parts of water (14 ppm). Even when it was tested at 200 times the
normal adult dosage, the NEW Silver Solution® was found to be completely
non-toxic - unlike many antibiotics and other silver products.

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com
In a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published a
study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to kill
virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the
University
of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study to ever explore
the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to Physorg.

After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C, the silver particles killed 100%
of the virus within 3 hours for all three methods.

While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that
nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses.

Thanks, I somehow missed it. I may have to reconsider my position on
silver in solution, however I suspect this could be a reference to what
is more accurately known as a hydrosol. I remember there was a press
statement from one company saying it wanted to encapsulate nanosilver
in order to ensure that it makes it into the intestinal tract, at least
for certain types of infection. Logically, if you can get the stuff
into your cells, it has the chance to kill whatever host defenses miss.


Peter

You are mostly correct silver solutions.

There is one and only one solution as described above.

The digestive system doesn't have much effect at all on the mentioned
solution. Colloidal solution is an over simplification. I don't pretend to
know the exact consistancy but it does "invade" the cells with ZERO
"negative" effect found to date. Besides getting into cells it creates an
electrical frequency which heals. (No, not magic or nanu nanu. Almost ALL
body functions are controlled by feilds at different frequencies.) That's
why for SOME people in SOME environments, with SOME maladies, magnets seem
to do wonders.

wrote in message
u.edu...
"still a patent exist for a silver non-toxic disinfectant"

A patent is not support for the health claims suggested, the patent
office does no testing and requires no data in support of health claims.
it doesn't even support that it works as the application claims. It
doesn't confirm it is a disenfectent anymore then it is a hair remover
or car polish.

Have you seen those lists of silly patents that have been given?
Recently one was granted for making pie charts on a computer screen,
which has been a standard function for 25 years of course. A patent
only confirms the claim that this is a unique item and there is no
previous patent for the same idea and protection given for any product
based on it.

You could claim a pie chart has all kinds of psychological benefits for
people who look at them and relieves headaches and bad breath, the
epatent office doesn't care or confirm.


IF the claim is WITHIN the patent it is provable or eliminated.

Yes, lots if silly patents and Copy rights.
SO?

Take your stupidity to any of the manufacturers of ANY diesel engine who pay
Kettering.
EVERY ONE pays, American, German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean.
He made "claims" about processes and patented them. His (the companies)
hundreds of patents have nothing to do with piston size or apertures or
specific fuel.

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about in patents.

It is an absolute certainty that you have NEVER applied for, much less
received a patent.

"IF the claim is WITHIN the patent it is provable or eliminated."

The claims for silver had never to be "proved" to get the patent.
Claims for health claims are of no concern to the patent office, a
paticular mixture of chuncks of oxidated, rusted, silver 5 to 14 parts
per million using a certain technique in pure water with added
hydronperoxide was the specific thing for which the patent was given.
Anothr concoction of silver using different approaches and but being a
mixture of milk and root beer could be given a patent, regardless of its
claims to treat hemorrhoids. That mixture had never been patented
before and the health claims are irrelevant.

Instead of going the otc route like aspirin and other antigerm products
they took the easy way to be able to use the patent as marketing copy
and to play upon the public's misunderstanding of waht a patent is.

"What do pharmabloggers, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus all have in
common?


They do not exist."

Now now, as per the sterling sandbagging logic setup in the original
post for you to say this automagically exposes yourself as a
"pharmablogger".

"You mean I do not exist?"

No, "pharmabloggers" are really not people, they are a computer program
stored in a computer deep in the guts of the "pharma" world
headquarters. It tracks newsgroup activity and has canned responses
using a number of false names to tramp down any attempt for the
"alterbloggers" to let the public know the real pure natural truth that
the likes of your algorithms want to suppress.

In article . com,
BrentB wrote:

Now the EPA has come out and stated silver is a pesticide. Simple as
this...either your an idiot and consider silver (found naturally
everywhere) a pesticide or you're a pharmablogger who states the same.

I've never even heard of silver being used as a pesticide. But it
clearly isn't, because if it were, considering what a pest you are,
you'd be dead by now.

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These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins

In article ,
Richard Schultz wrote:
In misc.health.alternative BrentB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: o Do you believe that it the hypothesis that the Jews, the Jesuits, and the
: Masons are conspiring to take over the world is a reasonable one?

: Do you believe the 9-11 commission report is reasonable?

What does the one have to do with the other? "PeterB" posted a "Reading
List" that includes inter alia a book written by someone who appears to
believe (among other random conspiracy theories) that the Jews, the Jesuits,
and the Masons are conspiring to take over the world. I believe that it
is reasonable to ask "PeterB" whether he believes that this theory is a
reasonable one.

PeterB gets very evasive when pressed about his reading list. He then
starts making weird claims to the effect that he isn't actually
recommending the books on the list. This would suggest that he was
fond of compiling random lists of books and posting them on Usenet.
This seems unlikely, however, as he consistently posts the same list,
as though there were some sort of demand for it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins

In article . com,
BrentB wrote:

wrote:
We know we know, please provide the one example of "pharmablogger"
activity in these newsgroups, the suspence is killing me despite all
the
vitamins I take.

"Read past posts by schultsy. If you don't know haw, that's your
problem. You don't even know how to use the Usenet."

We know we know, some progress at last, after asking now several times
we have it narrowed down to one possible poster. Now, as requested
those many times, pick a post you think illustrates the activity of
industry of sending people to speak critically of the "alternative"
industry posters. At long last we should soon see a real live example
of a post by those evil "pharmabloggers". But why dismiss all the other
posters who are critical for the lack of science in support of the
"alternative" industry posters?

If your that interested just ask each poster whether they believe
silver nanoparticles are an "antibiotic" as per the patent office or a
"pesticide" as per the EPA. I'd be curious as to the replies.

Hint: anyone who gives an answer BrentB doesn't like is a
"pharmablogger."

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins