STUDY: Low Carb Diet Improves Glucose Control in Diabetics

http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myh...reutersid=4716

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 23 - Intake of a high-protein,
low-carbohydrate diet for 5 weeks was associated with a marked
reduction in blood glucose levels in patients with untreated type 2
diabetes, according to a small study published in the September issue
of Diabetes.

"Potentially, this could be a patient-empowering way to ameliorate
hyperglycemia without pharmacological intervention," co-authors Dr.
Mary C. Gannon and Dr. Frank Q. Nuttall, from the University of
Minnesota in Minneapolis, note. However, further studies are
needed to
evaluate the long-term effects of such a diet, they add.

The findings stem from a crossover study of eight men with type 2
diabetes. For 5 weeks, the subjects consumed a diet with a
carbohydrate to protein to fat ratio of either 20:30:50 (test
diet) or
55:15:30 (control diet). After a 5-week washout period, the subjects
then consumed the opposite diet for 5 weeks.

The test diet, designed to be weight maintaining and
nonketogenic, was
referred to as the low-biologically-available-glucose (LoBAG) diet.

The average 24-hour glucose levels at the end of the LoBAG and
control
diet phases were 126 and 198 mg/dL, respectively. The corresponding
HbA1c percentages were 7.6 and 9.8.

The HbA1c percentage was still falling at the end of the LoBAG diet
phase. Based on this, the researchers estimate that the final HbA1c
percentage was between 6.4 and 5.4.

Other changes associated with the LoBAG diet included decreased
insulin levels and increased glucagon levels. By contrast, no change
in the cholesterol level was observed.

"A LoBAG diet can dramatically reduce the 24-hour integrated glucose
concentration and consequently the percentage of glycohemoglobin in
people with type 2 diabetes," the investigators conclude.

Diabetes 2004;53:2375-2382.

Nothing new here...what happened after the 5 week washout period where they
switched to the other diet?

The "Lo Bag" diet.....

Jennifer wrote:
||
http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myh...reutersid=4716
||
|| NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 23 - Intake of a high-protein,
|| low-carbohydrate diet for 5 weeks was associated with a marked
|| reduction in blood glucose levels in patients with untreated
|| type 2 diabetes, according to a small study published in the
|| September issue of Diabetes.
||
|| "Potentially, this could be a patient-empowering way to
|| ameliorate hyperglycemia without pharmacological
|| intervention," co-authors Dr. Mary C. Gannon and Dr. Frank Q.
|| Nuttall, from the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis,
|| note. However, further studies are
|| needed to
|| evaluate the long-term effects of such a diet, they add.
||
|| The findings stem from a crossover study of eight men with
|| type 2 diabetes. For 5 weeks, the subjects consumed a diet
|| with a carbohydrate to protein to fat ratio of either
|| 20:30:50 (test
|| diet) or
|| 55:15:30 (control diet). After a 5-week washout period, the
|| subjects then consumed the opposite diet for 5 weeks.
||
|| The test diet, designed to be weight maintaining and
|| nonketogenic, was
|| referred to as the low-biologically-available-glucose (LoBAG)
|| diet.
||
|| The average 24-hour glucose levels at the end of the LoBAG and
|| control
|| diet phases were 126 and 198 mg/dL, respectively. The
|| corresponding HbA1c percentages were 7.6 and 9.8.
||
|| The HbA1c percentage was still falling at the end of the
|| LoBAG diet phase. Based on this, the researchers estimate
|| that the final HbA1c percentage was between 6.4 and 5.4.
||
|| Other changes associated with the LoBAG diet included
|| decreased insulin levels and increased glucagon levels. By
|| contrast, no change in the cholesterol level was observed.
||
|| "A LoBAG diet can dramatically reduce the 24-hour integrated
|| glucose concentration and consequently the percentage of
|| glycohemoglobin in people with type 2 diabetes," the
|| investigators conclude.
||
|| Diabetes 2004;53:2375-2382.

Nothing new here...what happened after the 5 week washout period where they
switched to the other diet?

The "Lo Bag" diet.....

Jennifer wrote:
||
http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myh...reutersid=4716
||
|| NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 23 - Intake of a high-protein,
|| low-carbohydrate diet for 5 weeks was associated with a marked
|| reduction in blood glucose levels in patients with untreated
|| type 2 diabetes, according to a small study published in the
|| September issue of Diabetes.
||
|| "Potentially, this could be a patient-empowering way to
|| ameliorate hyperglycemia without pharmacological
|| intervention," co-authors Dr. Mary C. Gannon and Dr. Frank Q.
|| Nuttall, from the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis,
|| note. However, further studies are
|| needed to
|| evaluate the long-term effects of such a diet, they add.
||
|| The findings stem from a crossover study of eight men with
|| type 2 diabetes. For 5 weeks, the subjects consumed a diet
|| with a carbohydrate to protein to fat ratio of either
|| 20:30:50 (test
|| diet) or
|| 55:15:30 (control diet). After a 5-week washout period, the
|| subjects then consumed the opposite diet for 5 weeks.
||
|| The test diet, designed to be weight maintaining and
|| nonketogenic, was
|| referred to as the low-biologically-available-glucose (LoBAG)
|| diet.
||
|| The average 24-hour glucose levels at the end of the LoBAG and
|| control
|| diet phases were 126 and 198 mg/dL, respectively. The
|| corresponding HbA1c percentages were 7.6 and 9.8.
||
|| The HbA1c percentage was still falling at the end of the
|| LoBAG diet phase. Based on this, the researchers estimate
|| that the final HbA1c percentage was between 6.4 and 5.4.
||
|| Other changes associated with the LoBAG diet included
|| decreased insulin levels and increased glucagon levels. By
|| contrast, no change in the cholesterol level was observed.
||
|| "A LoBAG diet can dramatically reduce the 24-hour integrated
|| glucose concentration and consequently the percentage of
|| glycohemoglobin in people with type 2 diabetes," the
|| investigators conclude.
||
|| Diabetes 2004;53:2375-2382.

It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies that give
credence to what we've all been saying.

Jennifer


Roger Zoul wrote:

Nothing new here...what happened after the 5 week washout period where they
switched to the other diet?

The "Lo Bag" diet.....

Jennifer wrote:
||
http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myh...reutersid=4716
||
|| NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 23 - Intake of a high-protein,
|| low-carbohydrate diet for 5 weeks was associated with a marked
|| reduction in blood glucose levels in patients with untreated
|| type 2 diabetes, according to a small study published in the
|| September issue of Diabetes.
||
|| "Potentially, this could be a patient-empowering way to
|| ameliorate hyperglycemia without pharmacological
|| intervention," co-authors Dr. Mary C. Gannon and Dr. Frank Q.
|| Nuttall, from the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis,
|| note. However, further studies are
|| needed to
|| evaluate the long-term effects of such a diet, they add.
||
|| The findings stem from a crossover study of eight men with
|| type 2 diabetes. For 5 weeks, the subjects consumed a diet
|| with a carbohydrate to protein to fat ratio of either
|| 20:30:50 (test
|| diet) or
|| 55:15:30 (control diet). After a 5-week washout period, the
|| subjects then consumed the opposite diet for 5 weeks.
||
|| The test diet, designed to be weight maintaining and
|| nonketogenic, was
|| referred to as the low-biologically-available-glucose (LoBAG)
|| diet.
||
|| The average 24-hour glucose levels at the end of the LoBAG and
|| control
|| diet phases were 126 and 198 mg/dL, respectively. The
|| corresponding HbA1c percentages were 7.6 and 9.8.
||
|| The HbA1c percentage was still falling at the end of the
|| LoBAG diet phase. Based on this, the researchers estimate
|| that the final HbA1c percentage was between 6.4 and 5.4.
||
|| Other changes associated with the LoBAG diet included
|| decreased insulin levels and increased glucagon levels. By
|| contrast, no change in the cholesterol level was observed.
||
|| "A LoBAG diet can dramatically reduce the 24-hour integrated
|| glucose concentration and consequently the percentage of
|| glycohemoglobin in people with type 2 diabetes," the
|| investigators conclude.
||
|| Diabetes 2004;53:2375-2382.

Bernstein write books about the topic...Atkins and others have written on
the matter...the notion of them finally, at this late date, coming to such
conclusions means, imo, then they can't be trusted.

Jennifer wrote:
|| It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies that
|| give
|| credence to what we've all been saying.
||
|| Jennifer
||
||
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Nothing new here...what happened after the 5 week washout period
||| where they switched to the other diet?
|||
||| The "Lo Bag" diet.....
|||
||| Jennifer wrote:
|||||
|||
http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myh...reutersid=4716
|||||
||||| NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 23 - Intake of a high-protein,
||||| low-carbohydrate diet for 5 weeks was associated with a
||||| marked reduction in blood glucose levels in patients with
||||| untreated type 2 diabetes, according to a small study
||||| published in the September issue of Diabetes.
|||||
||||| "Potentially, this could be a patient-empowering way to
||||| ameliorate hyperglycemia without pharmacological
||||| intervention," co-authors Dr. Mary C. Gannon and Dr. Frank
||||| Q. Nuttall, from the University of Minnesota in
||||| Minneapolis,
||||| note. However, further studies are
||||| needed to
||||| evaluate the long-term effects of such a diet, they add.
|||||
||||| The findings stem from a crossover study of eight men with
||||| type 2 diabetes. For 5 weeks, the subjects consumed a diet
||||| with a carbohydrate to protein to fat ratio of either
||||| 20:30:50 (test
||||| diet) or
||||| 55:15:30 (control diet). After a 5-week washout period, the
||||| subjects then consumed the opposite diet for 5 weeks.
|||||
||||| The test diet, designed to be weight maintaining and
||||| nonketogenic, was
||||| referred to as the low-biologically-available-glucose
||||| (LoBAG)
||||| diet.
|||||
||||| The average 24-hour glucose levels at the end of the LoBAG
||||| and
||||| control
||||| diet phases were 126 and 198 mg/dL, respectively. The
||||| corresponding HbA1c percentages were 7.6 and 9.8.
|||||
||||| The HbA1c percentage was still falling at the end of the
||||| LoBAG diet phase. Based on this, the researchers estimate
||||| that the final HbA1c percentage was between 6.4 and 5.4.
|||||
||||| Other changes associated with the LoBAG diet included
||||| decreased insulin levels and increased glucagon levels. By
||||| contrast, no change in the cholesterol level was observed.
|||||
||||| "A LoBAG diet can dramatically reduce the 24-hour
||||| integrated glucose concentration and consequently the
||||| percentage of glycohemoglobin in people with type 2
||||| diabetes," the
||||| investigators conclude.
|||||
||||| Diabetes 2004;53:2375-2382.

Bernstein write books about the topic...Atkins and others have written on
the matter...the notion of them finally, at this late date, coming to such
conclusions means, imo, then they can't be trusted.

Jennifer wrote:
|| It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies that
|| give
|| credence to what we've all been saying.
||
|| Jennifer
||
||
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Nothing new here...what happened after the 5 week washout period
||| where they switched to the other diet?
|||
||| The "Lo Bag" diet.....
|||
||| Jennifer wrote:
|||||
|||
http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myh...reutersid=4716
|||||
||||| NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 23 - Intake of a high-protein,
||||| low-carbohydrate diet for 5 weeks was associated with a
||||| marked reduction in blood glucose levels in patients with
||||| untreated type 2 diabetes, according to a small study
||||| published in the September issue of Diabetes.
|||||
||||| "Potentially, this could be a patient-empowering way to
||||| ameliorate hyperglycemia without pharmacological
||||| intervention," co-authors Dr. Mary C. Gannon and Dr. Frank
||||| Q. Nuttall, from the University of Minnesota in
||||| Minneapolis,
||||| note. However, further studies are
||||| needed to
||||| evaluate the long-term effects of such a diet, they add.
|||||
||||| The findings stem from a crossover study of eight men with
||||| type 2 diabetes. For 5 weeks, the subjects consumed a diet
||||| with a carbohydrate to protein to fat ratio of either
||||| 20:30:50 (test
||||| diet) or
||||| 55:15:30 (control diet). After a 5-week washout period, the
||||| subjects then consumed the opposite diet for 5 weeks.
|||||
||||| The test diet, designed to be weight maintaining and
||||| nonketogenic, was
||||| referred to as the low-biologically-available-glucose
||||| (LoBAG)
||||| diet.
|||||
||||| The average 24-hour glucose levels at the end of the LoBAG
||||| and
||||| control
||||| diet phases were 126 and 198 mg/dL, respectively. The
||||| corresponding HbA1c percentages were 7.6 and 9.8.
|||||
||||| The HbA1c percentage was still falling at the end of the
||||| LoBAG diet phase. Based on this, the researchers estimate
||||| that the final HbA1c percentage was between 6.4 and 5.4.
|||||
||||| Other changes associated with the LoBAG diet included
||||| decreased insulin levels and increased glucagon levels. By
||||| contrast, no change in the cholesterol level was observed.
|||||
||||| "A LoBAG diet can dramatically reduce the 24-hour
||||| integrated glucose concentration and consequently the
||||| percentage of glycohemoglobin in people with type 2
||||| diabetes," the
||||| investigators conclude.
|||||
||||| Diabetes 2004;53:2375-2382.

Roger Zoul wrote:

Bernstein write books about the topic...Atkins and others have written on
the matter...the notion of them finally, at this late date, coming to such
conclusions means, imo, then they can't be trusted.

Jennifer wrote:
|| It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies that
|| give
|| credence to what we've all been saying.
||
|| Jennifer


Neither Atkins nor Bernstein did back up studies to coroborate their
clinical findings.

Again... we know them to be valid because we live it.

Having hard evidence is the only way to create a climate of real acceptance.

It's not a "late date" for the rest of the world. We are just the
pioneers.

Why are you so against studies that validate this WOE?

Jennifer

Roger Zoul wrote:

Bernstein write books about the topic...Atkins and others have written on
the matter...the notion of them finally, at this late date, coming to such
conclusions means, imo, then they can't be trusted.

Jennifer wrote:
|| It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies that
|| give
|| credence to what we've all been saying.
||
|| Jennifer


Neither Atkins nor Bernstein did back up studies to coroborate their
clinical findings.

Again... we know them to be valid because we live it.

Having hard evidence is the only way to create a climate of real acceptance.

It's not a "late date" for the rest of the world. We are just the
pioneers.

Why are you so against studies that validate this WOE?

Jennifer

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Bernstein write books about the topic...Atkins and others have
||| written on the matter...the notion of them finally, at this late
||| date, coming to such conclusions means, imo, then they can't be
||| trusted.
|||
||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies
||||| that give
||||| credence to what we've all been saying.
|||||
||||| Jennifer
||
||
|| Neither Atkins nor Bernstein did back up studies to coroborate their
|| clinical findings.
||
|| Again... we know them to be valid because we live it.
||
|| Having hard evidence is the only way to create a climate of real
|| acceptance.

Hard evidence? Eating less stuff that becomes sugar in the body results in
better blood sugar control? It's obvious.

Hard evidence? That's what got this country believing and eating a low fat
diet for years, that resulted in worst health and more obesity than ever.
Is that what you call hard evidence?

||
|| It's not a "late date" for the rest of the world. We are just the
|| pioneers.
||

Nonsense. How can we be pioneers when there are several books that have
been promoting these issues for years? If you were following a LC WOE 30
years ago you were a pioneer then. Not following the mainstream doesn't
make one a pioneer.

|| Why are you so against studies that validate this WOE?

I'm not agaisnt studies at all. However, I am against silly ones that state
obvious conclusions and then go on to say more studies are needed before
they can bless a way of eating that leaves out grains, potatos, and bean?
It's like they are just trying to stay employed.

It seems to be that we live in a society where we have to have a scienfitic
study to tell us it okay to do anything. Hard scienfitic evidence! Can't
do anything without it, and don't believe it if it's not there. But we have
had years and years of "evidence" that was wrong and went without challenge
and then became the gospel truth. It would be more honest if they would
just say "Hey, these results are really obvious and should have been
demonstrated years ago, but people had blinders on or didn't really want
this information widely known, for whatever reasons."

Roger,

I had a long talk recently with a well-respected writer who is extremely
knowledgeable about type 2 diabetes who wishes to remain anonymous. The
writer low carbs, but points out that the big problem with low carbing for
diabetes is that through the first half of the 20th century when low carbing
was prescribed for diabetics, those diabetics died of heart disease at a
much higher rate than the normal population.

It was because of this that when evidence was brought forward that high fat
diets correlated with heart disease that doctors began to warn diabetics
away from high fat/low carb diets.

The fact is that we have not had the studies needed to establish what diet
works best for diabetics.

As I see it, the biggest problem with recommending low carb to people with
diabetes is that not everyone had the self-control you and I might have.
You have only to watch your friends who think they are low carbing chowing
down on "low carb" cookies and "forgetting" to count carbs in salad
dressing, snack chips and ice cream to realize that it is very easy for a
sloppy person to "low carb" at levels over 100 grams a day. If they are
combining 140 grams of carbs a day with a diet that is 60% fat, they are
headed for disaster. There are good studies to support this.

It is only when carbs are brought down very low that fat can be eaten
safely. The combination of fat and carbs is dangerous to cardiovascular
health and to pancreas beta cells. Getting people to stick to a low carb
diet for many years is challenging. If people absorb the idea that "fat is
good" without getting the part about how "fat is good when carbs are under
60 grams a day" they may end up with the heart disease that was the reason
that the low carb diets of the past (which were set around 60 grams a day or
higher) fell into disuse.

We need a lot of very detailed studies to look at what really works for
diabetics. Most importantly, we need more studies about the blood sugar
levels at which heart disease begins to see whether diabetics who maintain
blood sugar levels below some critical point avoid heart disease.

In short, there is not enough evidence to determine whether is it the
carb/fat combination or the actual blood sugar level that damages blood
vessels. There is some evidence that keeping blood sugars under 100 mg/dl
may avoid heart disease (UKPDS data on hba1c and heart attack risk).
However, not all diabetics can keep blood sugars under 100 mg/dl even while
low carbing very strenuously. I can't.

Do you still check your blood sugars after meals, btw?

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 5 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Jenny's new site: What they Don't Tell You About Diabetes
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

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http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Bernstein write books about the topic...Atkins and others have
||| written on the matter...the notion of them finally, at this late
||| date, coming to such conclusions means, imo, then they can't be
||| trusted.
|||
||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| It may not be new to us... but it means there are more studies
||||| that give
||||| credence to what we've all been saying.
|||||
||||| Jennifer
||
||
|| Neither Atkins nor Bernstein did back up studies to coroborate their
|| clinical findings.
||
|| Again... we know them to be valid because we live it.
||
|| Having hard evidence is the only way to create a climate of real
|| acceptance.

Hard evidence? Eating less stuff that becomes sugar in the body results
in
better blood sugar control? It's obvious.

Hard evidence? That's what got this country believing and eating a low fat
diet for years, that resulted in worst health and more obesity than ever.
Is that what you call hard evidence?

||
|| It's not a "late date" for the rest of the world. We are just the
|| pioneers.
||

Nonsense. How can we be pioneers when there are several books that have
been promoting these issues for years? If you were following a LC WOE 30
years ago you were a pioneer then. Not following the mainstream doesn't
make one a pioneer.

|| Why are you so against studies that validate this WOE?

I'm not agaisnt studies at all. However, I am against silly ones that
state
obvious conclusions and then go on to say more studies are needed before
they can bless a way of eating that leaves out grains, potatos, and bean?
It's like they are just trying to stay employed.

It seems to be that we live in a society where we have to have a
scienfitic
study to tell us it okay to do anything. Hard scienfitic evidence! Can't
do anything without it, and don't believe it if it's not there. But we
have
had years and years of "evidence" that was wrong and went without
challenge
and then became the gospel truth. It would be more honest if they would
just say "Hey, these results are really obvious and should have been
demonstrated years ago, but people had blinders on or didn't really want
this information widely known, for whatever reasons."