"Unhappy Meals"

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

jack

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides
content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with
nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

jack

I see the articles about e coli in organic food - I guess there is no clear
answer - you take your chances either way

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides
content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with
nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

jack

I see the articles about e coli in organic food - I guess there is no
clear answer - you take your chances either way

But I've also read that spinach and peaches (the peels) are two of the most
pesticide-saturated foods at the supermarket.

My SO grows my spinach in my yard :-) And swiss chard, collards, lettuce,
arugula, etc.

ep

On Feb 2, 1:26 pm, "Edna Pearl"
wrote:

But I've also read that spinach and peaches (the peels) are two of the most
pesticide-saturated foods at the supermarket.

My SO grows my spinach in my yard :-) And swiss chard, collards, lettuce,
arugula, etc.

Right, but even then, you have to worry IF say your house is 100 years
old and the previous owners once scraped off all the lead paint and
the garden where you grow your spinach is right next to the house. :-)

Unfortunately in this day and age it's probably (sadly) impossible to
avoid ingesting pesticides. The way I figure, maybe all the
antioxidants in the fruits and veggies counteract the effect of the
pesticides...

jen

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:54:20 +1000, "David"
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides
content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with
nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

jack

I see the articles about e coli in organic food - I guess there is no clear
answer - you take your chances either way


You can get E coli on anything. There are many instances of pesticide
residues in Organic foods. The problem is that Organic costs
considerably more than conventional foods.
Seems a high price to pay for some ridiculous sanctions placed on
Organic farmers.

Look, I would far prefer the cheapest veg I can find (all checked for
quality by our food standards agencies). You see, some folk think that
crops are drenched in pesticide. This is totally wrong. Pesticide is
very expensive, so pesticide drenched produce will be more expensive.

IPM (Integrated Pest Management ) is the most efficient economical
method of food peroduction. This entails constant (preferably
automated) monitoring of pests and only treating where absolutely
necessary with the least intrusive (cheapest most effective) pest
control available. This could just mean a change in the irrigation
schedule, a pest oil, or if absolutely necessary, a toxic pesticide
applied within the guidelines and within the withholding period.
That way, you get the optimal cost of production along with the least
impact on the environment.

jack

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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:54:20 +1000, "David"
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is
not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides
content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with
nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

jack

I see the articles about e coli in organic food - I guess there is no
clear
answer - you take your chances either way


You can get E coli on anything. There are many instances of pesticide
residues in Organic foods. The problem is that Organic costs
considerably more than conventional foods.
Seems a high price to pay for some ridiculous sanctions placed on
Organic farmers.

Look, I would far prefer the cheapest veg I can find (all checked for
quality by our food standards agencies). You see, some folk think that
crops are drenched in pesticide. This is totally wrong. Pesticide is
very expensive, so pesticide drenched produce will be more expensive.


I take your point, OTOH but you may still probably use more pesticides than
necessary to insure the crop would not be affected - in other words the cost
of additional pesticides would be less than the cost of damaged crops

IPM (Integrated Pest Management ) is the most efficient economical
method of food peroduction. This entails constant (preferably
automated) monitoring of pests and only treating where absolutely
necessary with the least intrusive (cheapest most effective) pest
control available. This could just mean a change in the irrigation
schedule, a pest oil, or if absolutely necessary, a toxic pesticide
applied within the guidelines and within the withholding period.
That way, you get the optimal cost of production along with the least
impact on the environment.


Sounds good if that method is in widespread use - haven't heard of it here

I guess the conclusion is go for 'cheap' - suits me as it is damn hard to
organic veg where I live. The other problem is that we read articles warning
about scams where non organic veg are passed off as organic and sold for 50%
more


jack

In misc.fitness.weights en wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

Sounds like you need much better policing of what merits the label
"organic". There are always very large commercial pressures to reduce
the requirements of what can legally be labelled "organic". The
policing has to be thorough, and has to have real teeth if it's to
work. Otherwise "organic" just becomes another meaningless "health"
buzzword with which to swindle the public.

What are the requirments in Austrailia for using the word "organic" on
a food label?

--
Chris Malcolm DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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In misc.fitness.weights en wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:10:33 +1000, "David"
wrote:

I think you have omitted a vital detail about 'plant food' - if it is not
organic you are negating the nutritional benefits with the pesicides
content
of these foods. Many greens i..e spinach, celery etc are rich with
nutrients
and pesticides

Not according to surveys I've seen. Organic stuff has just as much
(sometimes more) nasties than conventionally grown foodstuffs.
Almost never in Australia are pesticide residues above safe levels.
The latest independent consumer report states that there is NO
advantage to consuming Organic produce, and there is a disadvantage in
the price.

Sounds like you need much better policing of what merits the label
"organic". There are always very large commercial pressures to reduce
the requirements of what can legally be labelled "organic". The
policing has to be thorough, and has to have real teeth if it's to
work. Otherwise "organic" just becomes another meaningless "health"
buzzword with which to swindle the public.

What are the requirments in Austrailia for using the word "organic" on
a food label?

as far as I know, the grower has to be certified by some government agency
that they use organic methods and free of pesticides - then whatever they
supply to the stores has to have a special label on each box they supply the
produce that says "certified organic' and identifies the name of the grower


--
Chris Malcolm DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Unfortunately in this day and age it's probably (sadly) impossible to
avoid ingesting pesticides. The way I figure, maybe all the
antioxidants in the fruits and veggies counteract the effect of the
pesticides...

jen




so how do you feel about irradiating our food?
http://www.organicconsumers.org/irradlink.cfm

wrote:
The same is occuring in the fashion industry. Clothing for men has
basically broken down to T-shirts, polo shirts, and knits, pants and
shorts. There really isn't much else in between. Macy's, Nordstrom,
GAP, and other clothing stores are only going to satisfy the bottom
line and they know people will buy polo's and knits, so that's what
they sell. Many creative innovative fashion ideas go by the wayside
because they don't want to or can't afford to take chances.

Pray tell me, what fashion innovations we SHOULD be wearing?