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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:11 PM
MU
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:

Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to eat, is a
good thing.


Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often we are
hungry with no need whatsoever to eat. Same with thirst. Your body can
willingly lie to you which is why hunger needs to be viewed from an
intellectual basis not an emotional one.

The ability to allow oneself a bit of time to feel that their
stomach is indeed truly empty, is indeed a *good* thing. The reason being,
because being NOT in a third world country, chances are high that the
hunger will soon be gone. It's still even then, not a true hunger, because
it's wayyyyy more temporary than those in 3rd world countries experience.
We have so much food that the notion that we should have
a *short* period of time (waking hours) that we have an empty stomach
freaks us (the colloquial 'us') out. It's a mindset pounded into our brain
so much that we've become fat. (I'm in Canada, but the availability of
food is pretty much the same as the US).


All you say about hunger above is accurate except that it is responsible
for being fat. Most overfat people I know eat when they are not hungry in
the least, mof, few know any hunger regularly at all.

And for us to have an empty stomach for a few hours is not the agony that
our culture would love for us to believe.


Nor is it the fear or the "assurance" of malnutrition, disease letting or a
host of other so called related conditions.

Feeling hungry may be uncomfortable but it is a lack of comfort that, in
time, becomes manageable. Like overeating becomes a manageable when
uncomfortable.

This temporary lack of comfort, imo, is the price, the sacrifice, one must
pay to lose weight and maintain weight. And why not? Anything gotten
without effort is going to be valueless and lessons learned under fire are
lessons ingrained.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:15 PM
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:48:59 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:

And yes foods have become the enemy but not through each consumers
fault. Most of us never have any control over what we buy. Organic
foods are very expensive and many people don't have the luxury of
voting with their wallets.


Yet they all cost more more. In the past and even now they are LUXURY
items--not meant for the lower class who can't afford it. We can't
vote with our wallets and control the manufacturing chain the way the
capitalistic-free market is supposed to work. That's why inferior
products usually become the norm instead of the best.


Quality of food has little to do with the obesity epidemic in the USA.
Quantity of food does.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:15 PM
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:48:59 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:

And yes foods have become the enemy but not through each consumers
fault. Most of us never have any control over what we buy. Organic
foods are very expensive and many people don't have the luxury of
voting with their wallets.


Yet they all cost more more. In the past and even now they are LUXURY
items--not meant for the lower class who can't afford it. We can't
vote with our wallets and control the manufacturing chain the way the
capitalistic-free market is supposed to work. That's why inferior
products usually become the norm instead of the best.


Quality of food has little to do with the obesity epidemic in the USA.
Quantity of food does.
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:23 PM
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MU wrote:
::: I'll just
::: remind myself in general to be grateful to live in an age and
::: country of abundance, remind myself that it wasn't always this way
::: and it still isn't this way everywhere in the world, and remind
::: myself not to take even one bite of food for granted. Having to
::: struggle to lose weight is a luxury in the eyes of those who are
::: truly hungry.
::
:: Very nicely said. Want one reason why Americans are reviled
:: internationally (especially in Muslim dominated countries. Here is
:: one Luna points out.

Nonsense.


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Old August 23rd, 2004, 09:23 PM
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MU wrote:
::: I'll just
::: remind myself in general to be grateful to live in an age and
::: country of abundance, remind myself that it wasn't always this way
::: and it still isn't this way everywhere in the world, and remind
::: myself not to take even one bite of food for granted. Having to
::: struggle to lose weight is a luxury in the eyes of those who are
::: truly hungry.
::
:: Very nicely said. Want one reason why Americans are reviled
:: internationally (especially in Muslim dominated countries. Here is
:: one Luna points out.

Nonsense.


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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:04 PM
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Absolute nonsense.

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Nonsense.




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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:05 PM
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MU wrote:
:: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:
::
::: Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to
::: eat, is a good thing.
::
:: Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often we
:: are hungry with no need whatsoever to eat.

Very true.

:: Same with thirst.

I'm not so sure about that one.

Your
:: body can willingly lie to you which is why hunger needs to be viewed
:: from an intellectual basis not an emotional one.

I agree.

::
::: The ability to allow oneself a bit of time to feel that their
::: stomach is indeed truly empty, is indeed a *good* thing. The
::: reason being, because being NOT in a third world country, chances
::: are high that the hunger will soon be gone. It's still even then,
::: not a true hunger, because it's wayyyyy more temporary than those
::: in 3rd world countries experience. We have so much food that the
::: notion that we should have
::: a *short* period of time (waking hours) that we have an empty
::: stomach freaks us (the colloquial 'us') out. It's a mindset
::: pounded into our brain so much that we've become fat. (I'm in
::: Canada, but the availability of food is pretty much the same as the
::: US).
::
:: All you say about hunger above is accurate except that it is
:: responsible for being fat.

I agree.

:: Most overfat people I know eat when they
:: are not hungry in the least, mof, few know any hunger regularly at
:: all.

That was certainly true for me.

::
::: And for us to have an empty stomach for a few hours is not the
::: agony that our culture would love for us to believe.

Does our culture tell us that being hungry for a few hours is bad?

::
:: Nor is it the fear or the "assurance" of malnutrition, disease
:: letting or a host of other so called related conditions.
::
:: Feeling hungry may be uncomfortable but it is a lack of comfort
:: that, in time, becomes manageable. Like overeating becomes a
:: manageable when uncomfortable.

Exactly.

::
:: This temporary lack of comfort, imo, is the price, the sacrifice,
:: one must pay to lose weight and maintain weight.

I'm not convinced of that (there are other ways to pay that price), but I do
agree that it is managable and a good thing to practice to control giving in
to that part of ourselves that wants to just eat for the sake of eating.

:: And why not?
:: Anything gotten without effort is going to be valueless and lessons
:: learned under fire are lessons ingrained.

Yes.


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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:15 PM
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MU wrote:

Quality of food has little to do with the obesity epidemic in the USA.
Quantity of food does.


Except nutrient density is one of the important issues, as you and
Chung both insist while steadfastly denying it, with whited knuckles
and tight lips. When you say that a little "common sense" needs to be
exercised when doing your preposterous 2PD, what you're really saying
is "avoid calorie-dense foods."

Lots of calories with few significant nutrients is one of the banes of
western society. And everybody else around the world is catching up.

Peddle that quantity mantra where they don't know better.

Bob

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:15 PM
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MU wrote:

Quality of food has little to do with the obesity epidemic in the USA.
Quantity of food does.


Except nutrient density is one of the important issues, as you and
Chung both insist while steadfastly denying it, with whited knuckles
and tight lips. When you say that a little "common sense" needs to be
exercised when doing your preposterous 2PD, what you're really saying
is "avoid calorie-dense foods."

Lots of calories with few significant nutrients is one of the banes of
western society. And everybody else around the world is catching up.

Peddle that quantity mantra where they don't know better.

Bob

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Old August 23rd, 2004, 11:12 PM
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Roger Zoul wrote:

MU wrote:
:: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:57:00 -0300, Crafting Mom wrote:
::
::: Starvation sucks, but hunger, the true signal that it is time to
::: eat, is a good thing.
::
:: Hunger is not the true sign that it is time to eat as very often we
:: are hungry with no need whatsoever to eat.

Very true.


I think people are missing what I said. REAL hunger is indeed a true sign
that it's about time to eat. PERCEIVED hunger is not. Allowing one's
stomach to be *technically empty* and noting the feeling thereof is the
technical hunger I am talking about. Learning the difference between that
and the so-called "hunger" that most people think of when the word is
mentioned is necessary. The hunger I mention is the one with the empty
stomach. It does indeed feel *distinctly* different from other types of
"hunger".

 




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