Hunger sucks

In article ,
(TdN) wrote:

Luna wrote in message
.. .

And that's a problem why? I don't get why genetic engineering is so scary,
but crossbreeding the old-fashioned way is ok. One's just faster than the
other.

A **lot** faster. You'd be surprised how hard it used to be to get
the fish to have sex with the strawberries and the potatoes.

T.

*giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a certain number
of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that have been genetically
spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse poop, human and animal hair,
insects, and rat parts accidentally end up in the food we eat. I know it's
at least _some_. Probably more in organic food, since they can't use
pesticides. And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna wrote:
*giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a certain number
of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that have been genetically
spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse poop, human and animal hair,
insects, and rat parts accidentally end up in the food we eat. I know it's
at least _some_. Probably more in organic food, since they can't use
pesticides. And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.

Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that
they don't use pesticides is false. Organic farms are allowed to,
and do use so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate,
rotenone, and pyrethrum. Modern commercial chemical pesticides break
down in several days of sunlight and water, and typically leave no
measurable residue by harvest. This cannot be said for the pesticides
used by organic farms.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Luna wrote:
*giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a certain number
of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that have been genetically
spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse poop, human and animal hair,
insects, and rat parts accidentally end up in the food we eat. I know it's
at least _some_. Probably more in organic food, since they can't use
pesticides. And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.

Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that
they don't use pesticides is false. Organic farms are allowed to,
and do use so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate,
rotenone, and pyrethrum. Modern commercial chemical pesticides break
down in several days of sunlight and water, and typically leave no
measurable residue by harvest. This cannot be said for the pesticides
used by organic farms.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

In article ,
(jamie) wrote:

Luna wrote:
*giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a certain number
of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that have been genetically
spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse poop, human and animal hair,
insects, and rat parts accidentally end up in the food we eat. I know it's
at least _some_. Probably more in organic food, since they can't use
pesticides. And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.

Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that
they don't use pesticides is false. Organic farms are allowed to,
and do use so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate,
rotenone, and pyrethrum. Modern commercial chemical pesticides break
down in several days of sunlight and water, and typically leave no
measurable residue by harvest. This cannot be said for the pesticides
used by organic farms.

Interesting. I didn't know that. Well, there's give and take in
everything, nothing comes without consequences. Trying to be an ethical
consumer almost always means choosing between the lesser of many evils. I
just differ from most people in that I don't see anything unethical about
genetic modification. I do think it's unethical to not label the genemod
food as such, though. People should know what they're getting, especially
in the case of animal DNA being used in plants.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

In article ,
(jamie) wrote:

Luna wrote:
*giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a certain number
of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that have been genetically
spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse poop, human and animal hair,
insects, and rat parts accidentally end up in the food we eat. I know it's
at least _some_. Probably more in organic food, since they can't use
pesticides. And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.

Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that
they don't use pesticides is false. Organic farms are allowed to,
and do use so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate,
rotenone, and pyrethrum. Modern commercial chemical pesticides break
down in several days of sunlight and water, and typically leave no
measurable residue by harvest. This cannot be said for the pesticides
used by organic farms.

Interesting. I didn't know that. Well, there's give and take in
everything, nothing comes without consequences. Trying to be an ethical
consumer almost always means choosing between the lesser of many evils. I
just differ from most people in that I don't see anything unethical about
genetic modification. I do think it's unethical to not label the genemod
food as such, though. People should know what they're getting, especially
in the case of animal DNA being used in plants.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna wrote:
:: In article ,
:: (jamie) wrote:
::
::: Luna wrote:
:::: *giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a
:::: certain number of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that
:::: have been genetically spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse
:::: poop, human and animal hair, insects, and rat parts accidentally
:::: end up in the food we eat. I know it's at least _some_. Probably
:::: more in organic food, since they can't use pesticides. And if
:::: that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.
:::
::: Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that
::: they don't use pesticides is false. Organic farms are allowed to,
::: and do use so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate,
::: rotenone, and pyrethrum. Modern commercial chemical pesticides
::: break down in several days of sunlight and water, and typically
::: leave no measurable residue by harvest. This cannot be said for
::: the pesticides used by organic farms.
::
:: Interesting. I didn't know that. Well, there's give and take in
:: everything, nothing comes without consequences. Trying to be an
:: ethical consumer almost always means choosing between the lesser of
:: many evils. I just differ from most people in that I don't see
:: anything unethical about genetic modification.

The problem is (IMO) - you can never be sure of what you're getting and
eating. Is a genetically altered tomato really a tomato? Will it act in
the body in same was an an unaltered tomato? Also, what traits were the
designers trying to get by modification and at what price?

I do think it's
:: unethical to not label the genemod food as such, though. People
:: should know what they're getting, especially in the case of animal
:: DNA being used in plants.

Even if they know they are getting altered products, they aren't in a
position to know what the consequences are from eating the stuff for years.

Luna wrote:
:: In article ,
:: (jamie) wrote:
::
::: Luna wrote:
:::: *giggle* I've heard it said that people accidentally eat a
:::: certain number of spiders per year. And that's _not_ spiders that
:::: have been genetically spliced into food. I wonder how much mouse
:::: poop, human and animal hair, insects, and rat parts accidentally
:::: end up in the food we eat. I know it's at least _some_. Probably
:::: more in organic food, since they can't use pesticides. And if
:::: that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.
:::
::: Personally, I avoid organic veggies, because the popular notion that
::: they don't use pesticides is false. Organic farms are allowed to,
::: and do use so-called "natural" pesticides, including copper sulfate,
::: rotenone, and pyrethrum. Modern commercial chemical pesticides
::: break down in several days of sunlight and water, and typically
::: leave no measurable residue by harvest. This cannot be said for
::: the pesticides used by organic farms.
::
:: Interesting. I didn't know that. Well, there's give and take in
:: everything, nothing comes without consequences. Trying to be an
:: ethical consumer almost always means choosing between the lesser of
:: many evils. I just differ from most people in that I don't see
:: anything unethical about genetic modification.

The problem is (IMO) - you can never be sure of what you're getting and
eating. Is a genetically altered tomato really a tomato? Will it act in
the body in same was an an unaltered tomato? Also, what traits were the
designers trying to get by modification and at what price?

I do think it's
:: unethical to not label the genemod food as such, though. People
:: should know what they're getting, especially in the case of animal
:: DNA being used in plants.

Even if they know they are getting altered products, they aren't in a
position to know what the consequences are from eating the stuff for years.

Roger Zoul wrote:

Even if they know they are getting altered products, they aren't in a
position to know what the consequences are from eating the stuff for
years.

John Lennon prophesied this about 40 years ago grin
"Let me take you down, cuz I'm going to strawberry fields. NOTHING is
REAL..."

grin/duck

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:53:23 GMT, Luna
wrote:
And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.
Michelle Levin
Damn the genome full splice ahead.
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:53:23 GMT, Luna
wrote:
And if that doesn't kill us, some fish DNA won't.
Michelle Levin
Damn the genome full splice ahead.
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com