Minister warns of expanding obesity problem

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:

http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=192

"Minister warns of expanding obesity problem", Ireland On-Line,
September 2, 2004,
Link: http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=yy6z6549z

Obesity is becoming one of Ireland's most serious health problems,
Health Minister Micheál Martin warned today.

Martin said one in eight Irish people are obese and this is setting a
poor trend for young people.

"The key causes of obesity are linked to food habits and physical
activity levels," the minister said today.


The primary cause of obesity in this world is overeating.

Ime, the most effective non-surgical means of controlling overeating
permanently is the 2PD Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp


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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:53:29 +1000, "J. David Anderson"
wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:


http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=192

"Minister warns of expanding obesity problem", Ireland On-Line,
September 2, 2004,
Link: http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=yy6z6549z

Obesity is becoming one of Ireland's most serious health problems,
Health Minister Micheál Martin warned today.

Martin said one in eight Irish people are obese and this is setting a
poor trend for young people.

"The key causes of obesity are linked to food habits and physical
activity levels," the minister said today.



The primary cause of obesity in this world is overeating.

Ime, the most effective non-surgical means of controlling overeating
permanently is the 2PD Approach:


Why is it the most effective Andrew? What makes it more effective than
any other successful diet?

How do you measure success? Number of books sold? Number of dollars
earned by sale of special foods, supplements, etc? By these measures,
2PD is not a success at all. However, if successful means a diet that
EVERYONE can follow and continue to follow that will produce lasting
change in one's waistline, then in my experience 2PD is a great
success.

I don't dispute that your diet, although it seems simplistic,
ill-considered, and possibly dangerous, would work in *some* cases. In
those few cases where I can imagine it working, I can more easily
imagine a more realistic, bettered structured, healthier diet working
more efficiently.

Name it. Why are you holding back?

You claim that it doesn't matter what you eat as long as it is less than
two pounds; is that correct? If so, how can your diet allow for healthy
nutrition?

If you've read the instructions for the diet on Dr. Chung's web site,
then you know that he makes no such claim there. He gives a set of
instructions. They are simple. They can be done by anyone. They
will work. There are a few implicit assumptions: the dieter really
wants to lose weight; the dieter wants to do this out of long term
concern for health; the dieter possesses or can acquire a little bit
of common sense. These are probably not true for all, but for those
for whom it is not true, no other diet will work either. Bariatric
surgery might work for these cases.

Most overweight people do not eat well, they eat inordinate amounts of
junk or high fat/high carb food. If you restrict them to two pounds,
with no other limitations, do you really think that they will drop the
junk from their diet and eat two pounds of more appropriate, healthy
food, or say: "Wow! Anything I like, under two pounds. Today I will eat
a pound of ice cream, half a pound of fries, and half a pound of pork
rind." "Tomorrow I will a pound of pork rinds, half a pound of fries,
and half a pound of ice cream." ...

Yes, if the above assumptions are true. If no, get an appointment
with a bariatric surgeon.

They might lose weight, if their total calorie intake was reduced, but
can you seriously say that it is a healthy diet, "better than any other
non-surgical weight loss approach"?

It is way healthier than continuing obesity.

If you tell me that you truly believe that your diet surpasses a
balanced, calorie controlled diet in its efficacy and results in a
better standard of health in the dieter, then I will be certain that
your claims to Christianity are just a pose. Christians don't lie in a
manner that harms or endangers other people. Your proposed diet is
potentially harmful.

All diets are potentially harmful. That is why Dr. Chung instructs to
do this with your doctor's involvement.

Balanced, calorie controlled diets are fine - for those who can do
them - a set to which most obese people do belong. It is out of
Christian concern for the long term health of obese people that Dr.
Chung has continued to advocate his 2PD diet on these groups.

BTW, please stop telling me how much you love me. I realise that
persistence is sometimes rewarded with a positive outcome, but I am
afraid that I only like girls. Sorry.

If you are not familiar with the love between brothers in Christ then
you are missing a lot. Don't bother with the usual sexual innuendo.
It only makes you look bad.

Oh, and please don't pray for me, my own prayers are far more effective
than yours; in fact I will challenge you to a praying competition any
time you feel like making a fool of yourself. I will guarantee that all
of my prayers are answered, I doubt that any of your will be. We will
make public what we pray for beforehand and let any interested parties
on usenet decide who wins.

I will pray for disease, war, famine, death of innocents, high crime
rates, dishonest politicians, plus all of the usual "acts of God" as
defined in insurance company contracts.

You don't need to pray for these things to get them. Sadly, they are
part of Satan's world.

I wish you well on your quest to lose your excess pounds...and in your
unexpressed desire for answers to the questions that really matter.

John

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:53:29 +1000, "J. David Anderson"
wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:


http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=192

"Minister warns of expanding obesity problem", Ireland On-Line,
September 2, 2004,
Link: http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=yy6z6549z

Obesity is becoming one of Ireland's most serious health problems,
Health Minister Micheál Martin warned today.

Martin said one in eight Irish people are obese and this is setting a
poor trend for young people.

"The key causes of obesity are linked to food habits and physical
activity levels," the minister said today.



The primary cause of obesity in this world is overeating.

Ime, the most effective non-surgical means of controlling overeating
permanently is the 2PD Approach:


Why is it the most effective Andrew? What makes it more effective than
any other successful diet?

How do you measure success? Number of books sold? Number of dollars
earned by sale of special foods, supplements, etc? By these measures,
2PD is not a success at all. However, if successful means a diet that
EVERYONE can follow and continue to follow that will produce lasting
change in one's waistline, then in my experience 2PD is a great
success.

I don't dispute that your diet, although it seems simplistic,
ill-considered, and possibly dangerous, would work in *some* cases. In
those few cases where I can imagine it working, I can more easily
imagine a more realistic, bettered structured, healthier diet working
more efficiently.

Name it. Why are you holding back?

You claim that it doesn't matter what you eat as long as it is less than
two pounds; is that correct? If so, how can your diet allow for healthy
nutrition?

If you've read the instructions for the diet on Dr. Chung's web site,
then you know that he makes no such claim there. He gives a set of
instructions. They are simple. They can be done by anyone. They
will work. There are a few implicit assumptions: the dieter really
wants to lose weight; the dieter wants to do this out of long term
concern for health; the dieter possesses or can acquire a little bit
of common sense. These are probably not true for all, but for those
for whom it is not true, no other diet will work either. Bariatric
surgery might work for these cases.

Most overweight people do not eat well, they eat inordinate amounts of
junk or high fat/high carb food. If you restrict them to two pounds,
with no other limitations, do you really think that they will drop the
junk from their diet and eat two pounds of more appropriate, healthy
food, or say: "Wow! Anything I like, under two pounds. Today I will eat
a pound of ice cream, half a pound of fries, and half a pound of pork
rind." "Tomorrow I will a pound of pork rinds, half a pound of fries,
and half a pound of ice cream." ...

Yes, if the above assumptions are true. If no, get an appointment
with a bariatric surgeon.

They might lose weight, if their total calorie intake was reduced, but
can you seriously say that it is a healthy diet, "better than any other
non-surgical weight loss approach"?

It is way healthier than continuing obesity.

If you tell me that you truly believe that your diet surpasses a
balanced, calorie controlled diet in its efficacy and results in a
better standard of health in the dieter, then I will be certain that
your claims to Christianity are just a pose. Christians don't lie in a
manner that harms or endangers other people. Your proposed diet is
potentially harmful.

All diets are potentially harmful. That is why Dr. Chung instructs to
do this with your doctor's involvement.

Balanced, calorie controlled diets are fine - for those who can do
them - a set to which most obese people do belong. It is out of
Christian concern for the long term health of obese people that Dr.
Chung has continued to advocate his 2PD diet on these groups.

BTW, please stop telling me how much you love me. I realise that
persistence is sometimes rewarded with a positive outcome, but I am
afraid that I only like girls. Sorry.

If you are not familiar with the love between brothers in Christ then
you are missing a lot. Don't bother with the usual sexual innuendo.
It only makes you look bad.

Oh, and please don't pray for me, my own prayers are far more effective
than yours; in fact I will challenge you to a praying competition any
time you feel like making a fool of yourself. I will guarantee that all
of my prayers are answered, I doubt that any of your will be. We will
make public what we pray for beforehand and let any interested parties
on usenet decide who wins.

I will pray for disease, war, famine, death of innocents, high crime
rates, dishonest politicians, plus all of the usual "acts of God" as
defined in insurance company contracts.

You don't need to pray for these things to get them. Sadly, they are
part of Satan's world.

I wish you well on your quest to lose your excess pounds...and in your
unexpressed desire for answers to the questions that really matter.

John

"J. David Anderson" wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:


http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.p...st_item&id=192

"Minister warns of expanding obesity problem", Ireland On-Line,
September 2, 2004,
Link: http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=yy6z6549z

Obesity is becoming one of Ireland's most serious health problems,
Health Minister Micheál Martin warned today.

Martin said one in eight Irish people are obese and this is setting a
poor trend for young people.

"The key causes of obesity are linked to food habits and physical
activity levels," the minister said today.



The primary cause of obesity in this world is overeating.

Ime, the most effective non-surgical means of controlling overeating
permanently is the 2PD Approach:

Why is it the most effective Andrew?

Probably because it gives people insight into how much they are eating so that
they can actually eat less.


For the unbelieving lurkers out the

Please consider the following to save yourselves:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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What is all this about?
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Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD crossposted:

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Here is the way to set it up, copied directly from the OE help file:
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If you want to hide ignored messages, but want to keep your read messages
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD crossposted:

snip
--------------------------------

With one click you can make entire threads such as
this disappear. If enough people do this maybe the stupid cross-posters
will get bored with
spamming themselves. It's not only possible but easy to ignore and hide an
entire
conversation (thread).

It's a simple two-step process:
1. First you have to set up a view definition to hide ignored messages,
then
2. when you're scanning posts you can simply highlight the original post in
the thread you want to ignore. Then click on the toolbar: "MessageIgnore
Conversation" Voila! The offending thread disappears!

Here is the way to set it up, copied directly from the OE help file:
--------------------
To hide ignored messages so they don't clutter up your message lists, click
View, point to Current View, and then select Hide Read or Ignored Messages.

Selecting Hide Read or Ignored Messages will hide messages you have read,
messages you have ignored, and messages you have both read and ignored.

If you want to hide ignored messages, but want to keep your read messages
visible, click Hide Read or Ignored Messages as instructed above, then click
View (again) , point to Current View, and then select Define Views. In the
Define Views dialog box, click New. In box 1 of the View Editor, select
Where the message has been read. In box 2, click the words Show/Hide and
select Show messages. In box 3, give this view a name (e.g., "Hide Ignored
Messages") and then click OK.
----------------
Once this is activated, when you first click on
"Ignore Conversation" on the Message Toolbar the thread just turns light
grey (ignored). But once you exit the newsgroup and return, the entire
thread is completely gone from view unless and until you decide to change
the view back to include ignored conversations.

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

"J. David Anderson" wrote:

Why is it the most effective Andrew?

Probably because it gives people insight into how much they
are eating so that they can actually eat less.

A probability? So, you don't actually know? Have any bona fide,
independently verified studies been performed to test this starvation diet
of yours? Or are you just using your magical truth discernment ray?

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

"J. David Anderson" wrote:

Why is it the most effective Andrew?

Probably because it gives people insight into how much they
are eating so that they can actually eat less.

A probability? So, you don't actually know? Have any bona fide,
independently verified studies been performed to test this starvation diet
of yours? Or are you just using your magical truth discernment ray?

SomeGuy wrote (edited for more truthfulness):

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

"J. David Anderson" wrote:

Why is it the most effective Andrew?

Probably because it gives people insight into how much they
are eating so that they can actually eat less.

A probability?

No. A guess.

So, you don't actually know?

God has not given me His gift of omniscience.

Have any bona fide,
independently verified studies been performed to test the
2PD Approach?

No.

Or are you using God's gift of truth discernment?

Yes.


You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

Please consider the following to save yourself:

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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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