Still another attempt to invalidate Atkins

Check this out: I came across this in a ng of Old Fat Farts. Now this
is NOT my view!!!! I snipped the poster's name, not sure if quoting
from a different ng is allowed....



Excerpt: New Book Marks End of Atkins
Group:soc.senior.health+fitness

I have permission from Cypress House to distribute an excerpt from
the new book, "Survival of the Thinnest," by David Hariton. This book
could be the eight ounces that tips the scale against Atkins, a diet the
author argues is doomed to fail.
In fact, all diets are doomed, according to Hariton, because they
fight our genetic script. Hariton's book is based on meticulous research
of the medical literature regarding diet, exercise, and genetics. It
also contains an ingredient missing from almost all diet books: common
sense. In our diet-obsessed culture, however, the conclusion Hariton
comes to sounds radical: It doesn't matter what you eat -- or how much
-- as long as you practice a specific 30-minute routine every day.
Hariton's book has been endorsed by John E. Sarno, M.D., author of
"Healing Back Pain"; Jason Kirkman, M.D., Medical Director of the
Cardiopulmonary Department at Mendocino Coast District Hospital; and
nutritional expert Ruth Carey, R.D., L.D., among other medical
professionals.
The excerpt I am distributing, called "Fitting Into Your Genes,"
explains why we get fat, and why dieting is incapable of providing a
meaningful weight-loss solution. To get the excerpt, send
with the subject line "Send Thinnest"
and I will reply with the text -- and *only* the text -- no file
attachments or opt-in mailing list jive.



This Hariton dude is no doubt a Big Fat **** himself.
Faye

"Yea tho I walk thru the valley of the shadow of Fatdom, I fear
not...'cuz I got a pic of Atkins in my pocket."
LC since 6/1/04 150/143/110

Hello,
On 7-Aug-2004, (Faye) wrote:

I have permission from Cypress House to distribute an excerpt
from the new book, "Survival of the Thinnest," by David Hariton.
This
book could be the eight ounces that tips the scale against Atkins, a
diet
the author argues is doomed to fail.

This Hariton dude is no doubt a Big Fat **** himself.
Faye

It's nice that David Hariton found what worked for him, but I doubt
I'd take dietary advice from a tax lawyer.
He's not a FF BTW:
http://www.survivalofthethinnest.com/author.htm

That's him now.

Below was him over 20 years ago:
http://www.sandc.net/lawyer.asp?WEB_ID=244

An online article of his:
http://www.naturalhealthweb.com/articles/hariton1.html

Take care,
Carmen

Hello,
On 7-Aug-2004, (Faye) wrote:

I have permission from Cypress House to distribute an excerpt
from the new book, "Survival of the Thinnest," by David Hariton.
This
book could be the eight ounces that tips the scale against Atkins, a
diet
the author argues is doomed to fail.

This Hariton dude is no doubt a Big Fat **** himself.
Faye

It's nice that David Hariton found what worked for him, but I doubt
I'd take dietary advice from a tax lawyer.
He's not a FF BTW:
http://www.survivalofthethinnest.com/author.htm

That's him now.

Below was him over 20 years ago:
http://www.sandc.net/lawyer.asp?WEB_ID=244

An online article of his:
http://www.naturalhealthweb.com/articles/hariton1.html

Take care,
Carmen

It's all simple, really. Low carb DOES work, and nobody can really aruge
that. It allows people to control weight, it is NOT unhealthy, and I've
read lately that high-carb diets have been linked to cancer. I find that
mildly amusing.

There are apparently tons of people trying to find problems with Atkins and
low-carb diets in general, and it apparently looks like they are trying to
say that a diet of fresh vegetables and meat will kill you.

Let them eat cake. LOL!!!

It's all simple, really. Low carb DOES work, and nobody can really aruge
that. It allows people to control weight, it is NOT unhealthy, and I've
read lately that high-carb diets have been linked to cancer. I find that
mildly amusing.

There are apparently tons of people trying to find problems with Atkins and
low-carb diets in general, and it apparently looks like they are trying to
say that a diet of fresh vegetables and meat will kill you.

Let them eat cake. LOL!!!

Jim Bard wrote:
It's all simple, really. Low carb DOES work, and nobody can really aruge
that. It allows people to control weight, it is NOT unhealthy, and I've
read lately that high-carb diets have been linked to cancer. I find that
mildly amusing.

There are apparently tons of people trying to find problems with Atkins and
low-carb diets in general, and it apparently looks like they are trying to
say that a diet of fresh vegetables and meat will kill you.

Let them eat cake. LOL!!!

His main point is that we need to get off our butts, and that for most
people, diets don't work to keep the weight off (this is true). Even
Atkins says that if you're not exercising, you're not doing Atkins.

We are the most sedentary society on earth. The reason people in other
countries can follow such radically different diets (high carb, high
fat/high protein, etc. etc.) while enjoying generally better health than
Americans do isn't because the diets contains some magic ingredient (red
wine, olive oil, tea, fish oil, whatever) that protects them but because
they are more ACTIVE. Not talking excercise, talking ACTIVE. Walking,
moving the bod, doing more on their feet every day of the year.

A study of an Amish community (people of German heritage who regularly
consume large quantities of fabulous foods that are not considered
'healthy' by our modern standards), showed far lower rates of obesity and
fewer health problems than you would expect just looking at diet. Why?
Because they're ACTIVE. Men put in 8-12 miles a week everday walking in
addition to other physical labor that they do. Women log fewer miles but
still very active.

I grew up on a farm back in the days when it was still pretty low tech.
I would challenge anyone who imagines themselves aerobically fit, weight-
trained, Bowflexed, and running-shoed to spend two weeks doing the work
that I did every day as a teenager. Not only would you probably not be
able to manage a lot of the tasks (can you toss an 80-lb hay bale? how
about 200?), your sorry ass would be falling into bed at 8pm every night,
you better believe it.

I know that one of the main reasons I started gaining weight in my 20s is
because I had become far less active but I was still eating like a big,
strong teenager who could burn through 4000-5000 calories a day.

In short, anyone who is pushing physical activity to manage and maintain
weight loss has my vote.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

"Daniel Hoffmeister" wrote

His main point is that we need to get off our butts, and that for most
people, diets don't work to keep the weight off (this is true). Even
Atkins says that if you're not exercising, you're not doing Atkins.

[snip]

In short, anyone who is pushing physical activity to manage and maintain
weight loss has my vote.

Ummmm.... yes and no. It's not just exercise, and it's not just food, for
most of us. There was a time, when I was younger, that I could lose weight
just by stepping up the exercise. At some point, that stopped working. I
think that the increasing insulin resistance made it harder and harder to
lose weight without making some kind of significant dietary change. Either
cutting way back on calories (weight watchers) or using controlled carbs to
moderate appetite, plus regular exercise.

I read one of the URL's describing that fellow's ideas, and it seemed that
he was saying that if you exercise enough, you'll lose weight without having
to change your dietary habits. I am saying that simply isn't true for many
people, especially middle-aged people who have developed some degree of
insulin resistance. And of course those people who are significantly
overweight, to the point that they simply are not physically able to do
enough exercise to make the kind of difference he's talking about. I agree
exercise is a great thing. I do about an hour a day, but I wouldn't be
losing weight if I didn't modify my diet fairly significantly... not an
ounce, and I've tried.

HG

"Daniel Hoffmeister" wrote

His main point is that we need to get off our butts, and that for most
people, diets don't work to keep the weight off (this is true). Even
Atkins says that if you're not exercising, you're not doing Atkins.

[snip]

In short, anyone who is pushing physical activity to manage and maintain
weight loss has my vote.

Ummmm.... yes and no. It's not just exercise, and it's not just food, for
most of us. There was a time, when I was younger, that I could lose weight
just by stepping up the exercise. At some point, that stopped working. I
think that the increasing insulin resistance made it harder and harder to
lose weight without making some kind of significant dietary change. Either
cutting way back on calories (weight watchers) or using controlled carbs to
moderate appetite, plus regular exercise.

I read one of the URL's describing that fellow's ideas, and it seemed that
he was saying that if you exercise enough, you'll lose weight without having
to change your dietary habits. I am saying that simply isn't true for many
people, especially middle-aged people who have developed some degree of
insulin resistance. And of course those people who are significantly
overweight, to the point that they simply are not physically able to do
enough exercise to make the kind of difference he's talking about. I agree
exercise is a great thing. I do about an hour a day, but I wouldn't be
losing weight if I didn't modify my diet fairly significantly... not an
ounce, and I've tried.

HG