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And since we were on the subject of hypertension...
On Jun 13, 12:33*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: There you go again. I never said anything about not trying anything else first. Then why are you gnawing on my ankles again??? Because that's all I'm saying here, and that's all Dr. Briffa is saying! One more time. *Dr. Briffa did an analysis where he claimed that you have to treat 32 men in order to avoid one stroke in 5 years. *He then called the benefit of avoiding one stroke in 5 years a "slim benefit". And that's what it is, for the very reasons I've already explained. You haven't explained it. All you've done is to start attacking me and trying to shift the issue away to something else. It can't be explained because any reasonable person would never consider preventing one stroke among 32 men over 5 years a "slim benefit". Many of those strokes would result in death or lifelong disabilities. And the healthcare costs associated with the hospital stays, rehabilitation, economic loss, etc are staggering. Preventing all that is a huge benefit. Most people wouldn't think it's a "huge benefit" if the side effects of taking the drugs can also result in DEATH, among a long list of life-long, debilitating effects. The side effect of most drugs includes possible death. Exactly. And that's why they should always be the last resort. But even the other side effects from taking BP meds are nothing to sniff at, e.g., impotence, dizziness, low blood sugar, muscle cramps, constipation, headaches, bleeding gums, etc. - for essentially the rest of one's life. BP medications are generally well tolerated. There are many of them. Hundreds of millions of people use them. If one happens to cause problems for a patient, they can usually find another one that works fine. And where one is likely to experience the side effects, ie those patients with very high blood pressure, requiring higher dosages, etc. are also the very patients who need the drugs the most. And only some moron like you would call them "idiots." Now, instead of staying on the point, you claim I'm advocating people not try to lower their blood pressure first by losing weight, exercise, etc. That's pretty much what you were doing, otherwise there would have been no need to reply. QED. You clearly have a problem with anyone who makes any kind of comment regarding even a part of the stuff you post. The only reason you're even commenting on this post is because we despise each other. And you see it as your job to harass me about anything I post here. I read what Dr. Briffa wrote. And he's coming from a very strange viewpoint, where avoiding one person in 32 having a stroke every 5 years is a "slim benefit". That was certainly worthy of comment and that is why I made the comment. You, then took that personally, because the facts don't agree with your little preconceived world. Well, good luck with that, asshole! Hypertension can also run in families, and may be absolutely nothing to worry about. I'm sure we'd all like to see the study that supports that conclusion. You can look it up. Well, maybe you can't, but anyone else can. In other words, as usual, you have no supporting data. If everyone in a family has elevated BP, but live average lives, don't have strokes or heart attacks, why would you necessarily want to lower it in the first place, Study please to show that this pure speculation exists. *Otherwise, it's just a strawman. You can look it up. In other words, as usual, you have no supporting data. You probably should look up the term "straw man" too, because you obviously don't know what that means. especially after considering that artificailly doing so may cause DEATH and other life-long debilitating effects? Do you realize that if you have a headache and take some aspirin there is a risk of DEATH? I'm not aware of it ever happening, but I suppose it's possible. Anything is possible. Then why aren't you running around talking about the dangers of DEATH from aspirin? Some families have abnormally high (or extremely low) levels of cholesterol, too, but most of them lead normal lives, with normal life-spans. Study please. Oh please. Look it up for yourself. It's easy to do. In other words, as usual, you have no supporting data. |
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