Low carb high protein -- a misnomer?

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
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||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||| Jennifer wrote:
|||||||| Not exactly.
||||||
|||||| Not exactly what? I confused by that.
|||||
||||| The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment:
|||||
||||| ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest
||||| amount of ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein.
||||| Otherwise it is not ||| really low carb.
||||| |||
||||| ||| Makes sense?
|||
||| So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers
||| don't eat modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess
||| of protein is really low carb? I guess it is the latter...
||
||
|| The "not exactly", was an answer to "Makes sense"... it doesn't
|| *exactly* make sense.
||

Okay....man! Makes sense

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||| Jennifer wrote:
|||||||| Not exactly.
||||||
|||||| Not exactly what? I confused by that.
|||||
||||| The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment:
|||||
||||| ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest
||||| amount of ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein.
||||| Otherwise it is not ||| really low carb.
||||| |||
||||| ||| Makes sense?
|||
||| So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers
||| don't eat modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess
||| of protein is really low carb? I guess it is the latter...
||
||
|| The "not exactly", was an answer to "Makes sense"... it doesn't
|| *exactly* make sense.
||

Okay....man! Makes sense

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||
||| I wonder how this fits in with that protein power plan? They
||| consider their diet LC and high protein, correct?
||
|| Not according to their website... they say:
||
|| "The Protein Power plan is a nutritional strategy involving lower
|| carbohydrate, adequate protein and healthy fat choices."

I'm not sure what that means....but then again, no one ever defines what is
meant by high protein, either. I'm beginning to read the book now, though.

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||
||| I wonder how this fits in with that protein power plan? They
||| consider their diet LC and high protein, correct?
||
|| Not according to their website... they say:
||
|| "The Protein Power plan is a nutritional strategy involving lower
|| carbohydrate, adequate protein and healthy fat choices."

I'm not sure what that means....but then again, no one ever defines what is
meant by high protein, either. I'm beginning to read the book now, though.

Hamburger wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote.
||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g of carbs.
||
||
|| Hi Jennifer,
||
|| haven't you applied the 58% conversion factor twice?
|| (58% of 25g is app. 14g and then 58% of 14g yields app. 8g ?)
||
|| Also, I am not quite clear about what happens to the amount of
|| protein
|| the body needs for tissue repair - is that partially converted to
|| glucose as well
|| or does the glucose conversion only take place when consuming protein
|| above that level?
||
|| Your very informative website on protein needs
|| http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
|| seems to indicate that. In that case - what happens to the
|| 42% of the amino acids that cannot be converted to glucose?
|| Are they all excreeted?
||
|| BTW - thanks very much for compiling your excellent websites -
|| they have really helped me a lot ! (especially your page on "protein
|| breath" was an eye opener for me - whenever I notice protein breath
|| now
|| I cut down on protein and it goes away.. )

Jennifer and Jenny are not the same person.

Hamburger wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote.
||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g of carbs.
||
||
|| Hi Jennifer,
||
|| haven't you applied the 58% conversion factor twice?
|| (58% of 25g is app. 14g and then 58% of 14g yields app. 8g ?)
||
|| Also, I am not quite clear about what happens to the amount of
|| protein
|| the body needs for tissue repair - is that partially converted to
|| glucose as well
|| or does the glucose conversion only take place when consuming protein
|| above that level?
||
|| Your very informative website on protein needs
|| http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
|| seems to indicate that. In that case - what happens to the
|| 42% of the amino acids that cannot be converted to glucose?
|| Are they all excreeted?
||
|| BTW - thanks very much for compiling your excellent websites -
|| they have really helped me a lot ! (especially your page on "protein
|| breath" was an eye opener for me - whenever I notice protein breath
|| now
|| I cut down on protein and it goes away.. )

Jennifer and Jenny are not the same person.

i,

What you say here seems right, but I am not convinced the scientists really
know that is how the body works for everyone. For example, my dad who is 72
years old does a yo-yo low carb diet. You know he eats like a maniac for a
while with tons of carbs and gains a bunch of weight and then eats low carb
and loses. He eats huge steaks and tons of protein and somehow loses weight
pretty fast. He also considers mowing a small lawn that is flat exercise.
I don't know how to explain that if what you state is true if you eat too
much protein.

Curt

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
...
Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
carbs/glucose.

If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
carbs, right?

So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really
low carb.

Makes sense?

i

i,

What you say here seems right, but I am not convinced the scientists really
know that is how the body works for everyone. For example, my dad who is 72
years old does a yo-yo low carb diet. You know he eats like a maniac for a
while with tons of carbs and gains a bunch of weight and then eats low carb
and loses. He eats huge steaks and tons of protein and somehow loses weight
pretty fast. He also considers mowing a small lawn that is flat exercise.
I don't know how to explain that if what you state is true if you eat too
much protein.

Curt

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
...
Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
carbs/glucose.

If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
carbs, right?

So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really
low carb.

Makes sense?

i

Hamburger wrote:

Jennifer wrote.


A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about
20 or 25 grams of protein.

The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g
of carbs.



Hi Jennifer,

haven't you applied the 58% conversion factor twice?
(58% of 25g is app. 14g and then 58% of 14g yields app. 8g ?)

Also, I am not quite clear about what happens to the amount of protein
the body needs for tissue repair - is that partially converted to glucose as
well
or does the glucose conversion only take place when consuming protein
above that level?

Your very informative website on protein needs
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
seems to indicate that. In that case - what happens to the
42% of the amino acids that cannot be converted to glucose?
Are they all excreeted?

BTW - thanks very much for compiling your excellent websites -
they have really helped me a lot ! (especially your page on "protein breath"
was an eye opener for me - whenever I notice protein breath now
I cut down on protein and it goes away.. )


Take care,
Hamburger


In reference to the website, which is good, why is it not mentioned that
the fat,carb,pro/bodyweight means lean bodyweight not total bodyweight?

Rusty wrote in message ...
Ignoramus26161 wrote:

Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
carbs/glucose.

If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
carbs, right?

So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really
low carb.

Makes sense?

i
How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the
protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar, how
would they ever drop the extra pounds?

My guess would be: by eating fewer calories than they use.

To address ig's point less oliquely, I think the flaw in his reasoning
is that glucose created through protein metabolism does not have the
same effect on blood sugar, hunger, etc. as glucose consumed directly.
But others surely know more about this than I.

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