I saw lots of really fat people in those electric scooters today

revek wrote:
"Philip®" wrote in message
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In fact, in my experience body fat has had a lot of influence on
the severity of my blood sugar *swings*... not absolute levels.
When I
was 60 lbs heavier, the same eating habits did not produce the
blood sugar swings they do now. I have my test kit numbers to
back that
up. :-)


In my opinion

Thank you.

it has more to do with the accumulated strain eating
a high carb diet has on the body than actual bodyfat itself--
remove the strain, and the body can begin repairing itself,
perhaps not all the way to 'normal' if beta cell damage has begun,
but in many people the insulin resistance is reduced considerably
after a period of lowcarbing has given the body time to become
sensitized again.

Why would you attribute the swings to bodyfat when the more
obvious culprit for both blood sugar irregularities *and* bodyfat
itself is the multifaceted insulin issue?

revek

I have not attributed *all* of the swing to body fat. Body mass/fat
is a significant influence on the glucose swings. As I learned, type
II diabetes is not all that easy to pin down in the early stages. I
was "counseled" how to control it with food and on those traumatic
occasions, with a pill. I was 195 lbs at that time. Upon waking and
checking my blood sugar, I'd typically have a reading of 95. If I had
a flavored yogurt on an empty stomach as a hold over until breakfast,
my blood sugar about 45 minutes later would be 120-ish. After losing
55 lbs or so (disease process), the same morning routine would start
out at 95 and after a flavored yogurt, the sugar level would be 170+
after 30 minutes. Then a bit later I'd get real woozy and if I
didn't keep moving, I'd sit down and pass out. Blood sugar at this
point would typically be 65. But now I've put back on about 20 lbs
and the swings are less ... particularly the upward spike. I haven't
needed the insulin pills either since regaining some weight.

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- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

MissJaime wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:20:06 GMT, "Philip®"
wrote:


A thyroid (TSH) test requires only a small blood sample taken.
Without Synthroid, I am hypothyroid myself and have been so for 7
yrs.

Hypothyroidism runs in my family. My uncle had it, my mother had
it, both my sister's have it and a nephew (age 16) has it.


I will bet you the root of her obesity is more complex than
simple hypothyroidism.

I am sure it is.


You need to call in a social worker to get her on the road to
recovery.

You don't know my sister...it would be pointless..like talking to a
brick wall. We have *tried* to tell her in the past but she has
the attitude that we are all wrong and she is right.


Jaime

Of course I do not know your sister. Then again, NONE of you are
licensed social workers. I would guess your state (like my state of
California) has an Adult Protective Services agency. Time to call.
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- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

MissJaime wrote in message . ..

You don't know my sister...it would be pointless..like talking to a
brick wall. We have *tried* to tell her in the past but she has the
attitude that we are all wrong and she is right.

Albert Wagner is your sister??

-Tom

"Philip®" wrote in message hlink.net...
Of course I do not know your sister. Then again, NONE of you are
licensed social workers. I would guess your state (like my state of
California) has an Adult Protective Services agency. Time to call.


I live in Ontario, Canada. I'm not an American.

Miss_Jaime wrote:
"Philip®" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Of course I do not know your sister. Then again, NONE of you are
licensed social workers. I would guess your state (like my state
of
California) has an Adult Protective Services agency. Time to
call.


I live in Ontario, Canada. I'm not an American.

Are asking me to believe that (socialist health system) Toronto,
Canada has no such agency whose charge it is to deal with indigent or
abused or abandoned adults? Come on!
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- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

Philip wrote in message
hlink.net...
Miss_Jaime wrote
Philip wrote

Of course I do not know your sister. Then again,
NONE of you are licensed social workers. I would
guess your state (like my state of California) has
an Adult Protective Services agency. Time to call.

I live in Ontario, Canada. I'm not an American.

Are asking me to believe that (socialist health system) Toronto,

Its really no more 'socialist' than public school education is.

Canada has no such agency whose charge it is to deal with indigent

That hippo doesnt qualify.

or abused

That hippo doesnt qualify.

or abandoned adults?

That hippo doesnt qualify.

We dont have one either.

Once you are an adult, you're welcome to do anything
you like that's legal, even if that will shorten your life.

The only exception is with the barking mad and even with those, its
very difficult to get any state agency to do anything about that now.

They basically just wash their hands of those unless they are
a significant danger to others and that still means they usually
dont do anything about the barking mad who have injured
people in the past. They leave that to the cops to deal
with if they end up completely out of their trees again.

Come on!

Rod Speed wrote:
They basically just wash their hands of those unless they are
a significant danger to others and that still means they usually
dont do anything about the barking mad who have injured
people in the past. They leave that to the cops to deal
with if they end up completely out of their trees again.

A person who has eaten their childhood issues to this extent (600
lbs) is committing suicide. It's still worth a try to get a social
worker out to her. Very sad.
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- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

Philip wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

They basically just wash their hands of those unless they
are a significant danger to others and that still means they
usually dont do anything about the barking mad who have
injured people in the past. They leave that to the cops to
deal with if they end up completely out of their trees again.

A person who has eaten their childhood issues
to this extent (600 lbs) is committing suicide.

Sure, but suicide is legal in most first world countrys now.

The only thing our social ******s do anymore
is to make it harder to suicide in jail.

Personally I think all jail cells should have what is required to
hang yourself effectively and a video of how to do it reliably.

Not much point in written instructions, so many of them cant read.

One of our complete arseholes murdered a number of kids,
only got caught because he stuffed up his attempted suicide.
Our fools returned him from the near dead, ****ed heaps of
our money against the wall trying him and convicting him and
jailing him. ****ed even more money against the wall trying to
stop him from killing himself in jail. He did eventually manage to
pull it off, after millions of bucks had been ****ed against the wall.

It's still worth a try to get a social worker out to her.

Nope, pull the plug on its pathetic excuse for an existence.

It isnt even legal to stop it killing itself that way in our country.

Very sad.

Very pathetic, actually.

Rod Speed wrote:
Philip wrote in message
link.net...
Rod Speed wrote

They basically just wash their hands of those unless they
are a significant danger to others and that still means they
usually dont do anything about the barking mad who have
injured people in the past. They leave that to the cops to
deal with if they end up completely out of their trees again.

A person who has eaten their childhood issues
to this extent (600 lbs) is committing suicide.

Sure, but suicide is legal in most first world countrys now.

The only thing our social ******s do anymore
is to make it harder to suicide in jail.

Personally I think all jail cells should have what is required to
hang yourself effectively and a video of how to do it reliably.


The irony might result in an unintended consequence ... a reduction
in suicides! LOL


Not much point in written instructions, so many of them cant read.

One of our complete arseholes murdered a number of kids,
only got caught because he stuffed up his attempted suicide.
Our fools returned him from the near dead, ****ed heaps of
our money against the wall trying him and convicting him and
jailing him. ****ed even more money against the wall trying to
stop him from killing himself in jail. He did eventually manage to
pull it off, after millions of bucks had been ****ed against the
wall.

DOES sound quite similar to the well meaning compassion fascists on
the Left in America.

It's still worth a try to get a social worker out to her.

Nope, pull the plug on its pathetic excuse for an existence.

"Pulling the plug" on this lady would be the telephone plug ... so
she can't order pizzas delivered.

It isnt even legal to stop it killing itself that way in our
country.

Very sad.

Very pathetic, actually.

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- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

"Philip®" wrote:
Are asking me to believe that (socialist health system) Toronto,
Canada has no such agency whose charge it is to deal with indigent or
abused or abandoned adults? Come on!

I don't know about Canada, but in the UK you cannot get social
services departments to take an interest in any adult who hasn't
approached and who appears to have all their mental faculties and who
isn't in active and obvious need of housing or other social care.
(That is, a person who is not in any obvious way suffering, abused,
visibly unable to cope or homeless.) That applies no matter how old or
fat they may be.

The reason for this - as it was explained to me - is that social
services departments take the view that an adult who appears to have
all their mental faculties and isn't otherwise in obvious need could
and should ask for help if they need. Unless and until they're asked,
social services departments don't have the right to interefere.

--
Lexin