Curves - Bad News

"rosie" wrote:

thanks for the heads up.......................................i DO
care where my money goes, and what it supports, and the conservative
christian right gives me the creeps!

Planning to vote for Kerry? He believes abortion is wrong and gives
money to support the Catholic church. If you are not going to be
hypocritical, you will vote for someone else.

Jean M. wrote:
"rosie" wrote:

thanks for the heads up.......................................i DO
care where my money goes, and what it supports, and the conservative
christian right gives me the creeps!

Planning to vote for Kerry? He believes abortion is wrong and gives
money to support the Catholic church. If you are not going to be
hypocritical, you will vote for someone else.

He's pro-choice.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20040210b.html

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

"rosie" wrote in message ...
thanks for the heads up.......................................i DO
care where my money goes, and what it supports, and the conservative
christian right gives me the creeps!

--
rosie
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0422-04.htm

I agree with you. This is at least worth looking into. Thank you for the info!
Lynn

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(LCer09) wrote:

It's
something we, as possible consumers of Curves, should know. I am AMAZED at
the anger this has generated. I had no idea people would respond by
plonking me or getting angry. I thought people had a right to know -- I
guess some people just don't want to know, and killfile the messenger, so to
speak.

Anybody who knows anything about Gary or Curves (just read his book) won't be
a
bit surprised by this. He has never been quiet about his conservative
Christian
views. He has a right to his own opinion, as do the rest of us. shrug

And we have a right to select the entrepreneurs whom we will support
with our money. Now I know that I don't want any of mine to go to
Curves.

Priscilla, who did without table grapes for decades well before low-carb

"nimue" wrote:

Jean M. wrote:
"rosie" wrote:

thanks for the heads up.......................................i DO
care where my money goes, and what it supports, and the conservative
christian right gives me the creeps!

Planning to vote for Kerry? He believes abortion is wrong and gives
money to support the Catholic church. If you are not going to be
hypocritical, you will vote for someone else.

He's pro-choice.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20040210b.html

Just because he has changed his public voice doesn't mean he has
changed his view. He has said repeatedly that he believes abortion is
wrong.

On to the bigger issue: Is Curves worse than the Catholic church?

Jean M
Loser and Quitter
--
-348/312/180 - 5'10"
-Atkins Since 01/28/04
-Quit Smoking 03/07/04
-Curves Since 03/26/04

Jean M. wrote:
"nimue" wrote:

Jean M. wrote:
"nimue" wrote:

I have to say again that I am SHOCKED by the response to this post.
I mean, absolutely shocked!

You wanted to stir up **** and we didn't bite, is that it? Some of
us don't froth at the mouth.

Hey -- look at my original post. All I posted was the fact that I
found it at alt.gossip.celebrities and the article -- that's it.
Oh, I thought it was bad news, but honestly, I just thought I was
posting info people would want. FWIW, people did bite and I am
shocked. I don't get it. I have to say, I am very surprised you
will stay at Curves despite knowing where your dollars are going.

Jean M., pro-choice Curves member

You are shocked because you can't see past your own nose. I can't help
you there. I think you did post to stir up ****.

Well, you're wrong. Look at my other posts on this ng. I have never posted
to stir anything up -- why would I do it now?

Your follow-ups
support that contention.

My responses to attacks on me don't prove that I wanted to stir up
anything -- just that I am trying to defend myself.

Curves is a good buy for me. Deal with it.

I am thrilled you go there. That way I am less likely ever to have to run
into you.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue wrote:
:: Jean M. wrote:
::: "nimue" wrote:
:::
:::: I have to say again that I am SHOCKED by the response to this post.
:::: I mean, absolutely shocked!
:::
::: You wanted to stir up **** and we didn't bite, is that it? Some of
::: us don't froth at the mouth.
::
:: Hey -- look at my original post. All I posted was the fact that I
:: found it at alt.gossip.celebrities and the article -- that's it.
:: Oh, I thought it was bad news, but honestly, I just thought I was
:: posting info people would want. FWIW, people did bite and I am
:: shocked. I don't get it. I have to say, I am very surprised you
:: will stay at Curves despite knowing where your dollars are going.

I provided you with some reasons why some women might choose to do
so...despite what they feel on the matter of abortion. It's a complex issue
and it is possible for someone to have mixed feeling about the matter.

I think your problem is that it is beyond your imagination that someone
could manage to not see things as you do. I mean -- you felt this was bad
news, right? You felt that this is information that others will ABSOLUTELY
want to know, right? You felt that they need to make a decision as to
whether to continue to support Curves right?

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:23:07 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
announced in front of God and everybody:

nimue wrote:

Just
:: because something -- something that applies to the women on this ng,

How does it apply to the women on this ng? They don't all believe the same.

No, but reproductive choice is an issue that affects all women,
personally and politically. No matter which side of the issue they're
on, there are quite a few posters here who belong to Curves or are
considering joining. It's valuable information to have, so one can
make an informed decision as to where to spend one's money.

Dawn

Roger Zoul wrote:

How does it apply to the women on this ng? They don't all believe the same.

It applies nonetheless, whether any individual women is for or against
abortion rights. Some women will choose Curves over other gyms for this
reason; others will choose to make sure they never give a nickel of
their money to Curves.

I consider this post relevant... whether the readers are pro or anti
choice. The information is useful no matter which side of the argument
you are on.


I read it. However, what the owner of Curves does with his money is his
business.

Certainly. But whether I choose to give money to Curves, knowing what
he does with those profits, is up to me. That bit of it is *my* business.

I have a right to choose who to do business with... and I have the right
to make that decision based on what the business adds or subtracts from
the world. Some businesses support the John Birch Society, some support
the United Negro College Fund; some businesses provide partner benefits
to gays, others fire employees who come out; some businesses invest in
recycling and reclamation efforts, some buy up rights to pollute further
from other companies; some businesses sell products made by union
members, some sell products made by child labor.

All these things matter to me and I get to choose who gets my dollar.


Curves still provides a service that women need. If you choose
not to recommend Curves to women who likely would not go to a gym full of
bulking guys or to one which plays into the meat market scene, then I don't
consider you of much help to people here.

If Curves were the *only* choice of a gym for women, your comments might
be relevant. Luckily, it is not the only choice.


Then go post it in an abortion ng. It's an imflamatory topic. I remember
you jumped on another poster for just a slight mention of something YOU
personally find repulsive.

I find it relevant here. I don't hang out on abortion newgroups.
Neither do I hang out on gossip newsgroups. This is important for me to
know about Curves.

I agree that it's an inflammatory topic, in the sense that many people
feel very strongly about the issue one way or the other. I do not agree
that knowing about it is inappropriate here. She didn't post a
pro-choice rant, simply the information that 10% of Curves profits fund
anti-choice groups.

Regardless of what side of the issue anyone is on, that information is
relevant to choosing a gym for many of us and thus on-topic here.


What makes you think I didn't click on the link? And I don't care if it is
true...different people have different opinions about issues. Generally,
people tend to act according to their belief systems.

Of course. However, acting according to your belief system is simpler
when one has knowledge.

I had planned to visit Curves my next visit to my inlaws. However,
without the information being provided by the OP, I would not be able to
make a choice based on my belief system.


Curves, imo, offers something of value to a lot of women who consider a more
traditional gym to be a place they don't feel comfortable. In my mind,
Curves offers something of value, and I don't equate that, and the
organization, with what the owner of Curves does or believes.

I do equate it with being relevant to where my dollars go, much moreso
than that exercise is provided in a women-friendly space. I find it
much, much more relevant than what Curves provides. Thus I find the
information valuable and appreciate it being provided here.



--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

In article ,
Jean M. wrote:

"nimue" wrote:

Jean M. wrote:
"rosie" wrote:

thanks for the heads up.......................................i DO
care where my money goes, and what it supports, and the conservative
christian right gives me the creeps!

Planning to vote for Kerry? He believes abortion is wrong and gives
money to support the Catholic church. If you are not going to be
hypocritical, you will vote for someone else.

He's pro-choice.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...5C200402 %5CC
UL20040210b.html

Just because he has changed his public voice doesn't mean he has
changed his view. He has said repeatedly that he believes abortion is
wrong.

That is his personal belief, but in terms of the law he's pro-choice.
He recognizes that he lives in a country where there are many views on
it, so the law should not forbid or require it.

I know many people who share that with him. I, personally, would hope
I'd not choose an abortion for myself, but I sure wouldn't want to make
it illegal for someone else!

Priscilla, fearful we might be headed back to having women as
involuntary incubators