Slate: Ambulances for the Ample

Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?

Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect
their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the ****
they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an
educated work
force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from
most of their apes
and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need
better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days,

You wouldnt know what a real replublican pimp was if one bit you on your lard arse.

not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card.

The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries
to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us
out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now.

They are completely irrelevant now that they have just
completely imploded the entire world financial system, again.

No one will be stupid enough to elect enough of them to matter federally for a long time now.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

And the rich get richer

Irrelevant to that pig ignorant **** above.

Billy wrote:

Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and
Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same.

Like hell they do. He wouldnt have been stupid enough to invade Iraq, fool.


In article
,
Mrs Irish Mike wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Mrs Irish Mike wrote

The Master wrote
Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and
preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually
do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to
protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting
their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and
subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the ****
they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an
educated work
force, just being able to read and write is about all they need
from most of their apes
and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need
better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We
have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high
fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese people,
they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get
empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm
is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out
corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country
are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the
cheapest.

The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone knows
the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check
book, let alone understand compounding intrest.

We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the
basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage is a
temporary thing, government wants the man out before they will help,
strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, higher education
means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle
class. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Military service is
one of the few opportunities for the poor.

Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an
average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be
in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from
being homeless.

America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was
that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one
could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and
retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share
of the wealth. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly
every purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when
the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest'
workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated
only until he can be replaced.

Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. Interesting
reading he
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Mrs Irish Mike wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?

Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and
preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually
do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to
protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting
their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and
subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They
dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and
write
is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford
to pay for the education of those that need better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

You have to see modern America.

Nope, I know what its like.

We have people who are hungry.

The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics
etc.

We have obese people because they are corn fed
junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.

Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth
than you burn.

That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so
they eat.

That is just plain wrong.

Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.

Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than
they burn.

The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone

Like hell it is.

and all they is remaining are food factories that turn
out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are
subsidized

Like hell they are.

and so the cheapest.

Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at
all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.

It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'

The education system is geared to producing consumers.

Another lie.

Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can
balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.

That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system,
everything to do with what most have between their ears.

We have entire families living in cars, under
bridges, and in the basements of relatives.

Yep, some **** up financially.

Predators prey on our children,

Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known
to their familys.

marriage is a temporary thing,

A viable marraige always was for hordes.

government wants the man out before they will help,

Another lie.

strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,

Always was.

higher education means years of debt.

Nope, it doesnt have to.

Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.

Another lie.

Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.

Hordes of them arent.

Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.

Another lie. They're free to get a decent education
and a decent job which cant be outsourced.

Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an
average worker.

The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say
100 years ago.

The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality
above 25%.

Another lie.

Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.

Another lie.

America used to be the land of opportunity.

Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal
immigration rate.

After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living,
innovation and a little luck,
one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college
and retire in comfort.

Still can.

Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.

Another lie.

Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.

Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.

Laborers are expendable,

They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for
better than that.

education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced

Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.

or over run with 'guest' workers.

Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.

Money is made by having money

Thats just one way of making money.

and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.

And most of them never can be.

Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.

Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.

Interesting reading he
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf

Nope, just a complete pack of lies.

Another Republican pimp.

You wouldnt know what a real republican pimp was if it bit you on your lard arse.

Just get rid of all regulations and see how good it will be, he will promise you.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

Who needs to keep commercial and investment banks separate, anyway?

Canada and Australia didnt, and not one of their retail banks imploded spectacularly
or even needed to be bailed out by govt. They had adequate regulation that avoided that.

Apparently, 99% of us did.

Did what ?

Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were
changed just before home loans went belly up.

You can still go bankrupt if your home loan has gone belly
up, but with the stupid US non recourse system, you dont
need to bother, you just hand back the keys and walk out.

It's almost like some one knew 18 months in advance,
what was happening and did nothing to stop it.

Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft us all, again.

Vote the *******s out

They just did, stupid.

and vote third party.

They aint that stupid.

In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?

Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that
too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect
their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at
all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the ****
they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an
educated work
force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from
most of their apes
and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need
better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days,

You wouldnt know what a real replublican pimp was if one bit you on your lard
arse.
Sure I would. It would be a neo-liberal wack-job, like yourself.

not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card.

The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries
to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us
out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now.

They are completely irrelevant now that they have just
completely imploded the entire world financial system, again.

No one will be stupid enough to elect enough of them to matter federally for
a long time now.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...670/?tag=conte
nt;col1

And the rich get richer

Irrelevant to that pig ignorant **** above.
How is it that you know so much about pigs? You a farm boy?
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?

Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to
protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting
their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the ****
they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work
force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes
and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year.

Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days,

You wouldnt know what a real replublican pimp was if one bit you on your lard arse.

Sure I would. It would be a neo-liberal wack-job, like yourself.

You wouldnt know what a real neo-liberal wack-job was if one bit you on your lard arse either.

not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card.

The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries
to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us
out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now.

They are completely irrelevant now that they have just
completely imploded the entire world financial system, again.

No one will be stupid enough to elect enough of them to matter federally for a long time now.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

And the rich get richer

Irrelevant to your pig ignorant **** above.

How is it that you know so much about pigs?

There so many of you around.

In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Billy wrote:

Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and
Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same.

Like hell they do. He wouldnt have been stupid enough to invade Iraq, fool.
Do you ever have any facts or do you just get this stuff outta your
back-side? MAYBE Obama wouldn't have invaded Iraq, but now he is
complicit in Bush's policies, i.e. hold prisoners without habeas corpus,
allowing torture to continue, extra-judicial killing with their
attendant collateral damage (as Timothy McVeigh would say), continued
spying on all Americans, and the continued sacking and pillaging of the
public coffers, all of which makes him just as guilty as "The Worst
President Ever".


In article
,
Mrs Irish Mike wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Mrs Irish Mike wrote

The Master wrote
Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and
preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually
do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to
protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting
their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and
subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the ****
they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an
educated work
force, just being able to read and write is about all they need
from most of their apes
and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need
better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We
have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high
fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese people,
they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get
empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm
is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out
corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country
are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the
cheapest.

The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone knows
the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check
book, let alone understand compounding intrest.

We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the
basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage is a
temporary thing, government wants the man out before they will help,
strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, higher education
means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle
class. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Military service is
one of the few opportunities for the poor.

Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an
average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be
in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from
being homeless.

America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was
that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one
could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and
retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share
of the wealth. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly
every purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when
the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest'
workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated
only until he can be replaced.

Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. Interesting
reading he
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Mrs Irish Mike wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?

Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that
too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect
their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at
all.
Tell that to United Fruit and the Dulles brothers.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
They pay 10% to 15% capital gains on their income. The rest of us pay
about 30%

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont
even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write
is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to
pay for the education of those that need better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.
Which country has a democracy (perhaps Bolivia). Which country has
socialism? No, most countries are oligarchies where politicians are the
window dressing of supposed respectability.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even without
upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

That's good. Most of us are downwardly mobile.

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on
welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of
whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards
anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers
every single year.

You have to see modern America.

Nope, I know what its like.

We have people who are hungry.

The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1029093925.htm
ScienceDaily (Oct. 29, 2005) ‹ Hunger in American households has risen
by 43 percent over the last five years, according to an analysis of US
Department of Agriculture (USDA) data released today.

We have obese people because they are corn fed
junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.

Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you
burn.

That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they
eat.

That is just plain wrong.

Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.

Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they
burn.

The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone

Like hell it is.

Watch the movie "King Corn". Subsidized corn, wheat, soy beans, and
cotton ( and they aree all GMOs as well) are driving farm workers out of
Mexico where they can't compete against subsidized American crops.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...ers-of-genetic
ally-modified-food-confirmed/

and all they is remaining are food factories that turn
out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.

Another pig ignorant lie.
Americans eat more corn than Mexicans because of all the products that
are derived from corn.
Michael Pollan, Omnivore's Dilemma

The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are
subsidized

Like hell they are.
Most junk food is corn syrup, bleached white wheat flour, and soy oil,
all subsidized.

and so the cheapest.

Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at
all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.
In 2004, rice was subsidized to the tune of $1.13 billion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricul...#United_States

It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'

The education system is geared to producing consumers.

Another lie.

Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can
balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.

That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system,
everything to do with what most have between their ears.

We have entire families living in cars, under
bridges, and in the basements of relatives.

Yep, some **** up financially.
Or are veterans, or get sick, or these days, lose their jobs because the
vultures (CEOs) have taken the money that should have gone to share
holders as dividends , and the company goes belly up.

Predators prey on our children,

Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their
familys.

marriage is a temporary thing,

A viable marraige always was for hordes.

government wants the man out before they will help,

Another lie.

strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,

Always was.

higher education means years of debt.

Nope, it doesnt have to.

Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.

Another lie.

Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.

Hordes of them arent.

Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.

Another lie. They're free to get a decent education
and a decent job which cant be outsourced.

Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average
worker.

The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100
years ago.

The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%.

Another lie.

Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.

Another lie.

America used to be the land of opportunity.

Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration
rate.

After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a
little luck,
one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and
retire in comfort.

Still can.

Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.

Another lie.

Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.

Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.

Laborers are expendable,

They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better
than that.

education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced

Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.

or over run with 'guest' workers.

Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.

Money is made by having money

Thats just one way of making money.

and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.

And most of them never can be.

Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.

Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.

Interesting reading he
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf

Nope, just a complete pack of lies.

Speedy, you are so devoid of information, it is difficult to tell where
to start your education. One thing you can do is to stop watching Fox
News. The only program you can miss and be smarter for it.
You probably think that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,
don't you? Turn it off, Speedy.
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Mrs Irish Mike wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?

Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and
preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually
do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to
protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting
their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and
subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They
dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and
write
is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford
to pay for the education of those that need better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

You have to see modern America.

Nope, I know what its like.

We have people who are hungry.

The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics
etc.

We have obese people because they are corn fed
junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it.

Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth
than you burn.

That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so
they eat.

That is just plain wrong.

Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories.

Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than
they burn.

The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone

Like hell it is.

and all they is remaining are food factories that turn
out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are
subsidized

Like hell they are.

and so the cheapest.

Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at
all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all.

It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor'

The education system is geared to producing consumers.

Another lie.

Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can
balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.

That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system,
everything to do with what most have between their ears.

We have entire families living in cars, under
bridges, and in the basements of relatives.

Yep, some **** up financially.

Predators prey on our children,

Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known
to their familys.

marriage is a temporary thing,

A viable marraige always was for hordes.

government wants the man out before they will help,

Another lie.

strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,

Always was.

higher education means years of debt.

Nope, it doesnt have to.

Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class.

Another lie.

Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas.

Hordes of them arent.

Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor.

Another lie. They're free to get a decent education
and a decent job which cant be outsourced.

Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an
average worker.

The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say
100 years ago.

The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality
above 25%.

Another lie.

Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless.

Another lie.

America used to be the land of opportunity.

Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal
immigration rate.

After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living,
innovation and a little luck,
one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college
and retire in comfort.

Still can.

Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth.

Another lie.

Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase.

Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month.

Laborers are expendable,

They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for
better than that.

education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced

Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.

or over run with 'guest' workers.

Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be.

Money is made by having money

Thats just one way of making money.

and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.

And most of them never can be.

Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.

Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day.

Interesting reading he
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf

Nope, just a complete pack of lies.

Another Republican pimp.

You wouldnt know what a real republican pimp was if it bit you on your lard
arse.

Just get rid of all regulations and see how good it will be, he will
promise you.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

Who needs to keep commercial and investment banks separate, anyway?

Canada and Australia didnt, and not one of their retail banks imploded
spectacularly
or even needed to be bailed out by govt. They had adequate regulation that
avoided that.

Apparently, 99% of us did.

Did what ?

Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were
changed just before home loans went belly up.

You can still go bankrupt if your home loan has gone belly
up, but with the stupid US non recourse system, you dont
need to bother, you just hand back the keys and walk out.

It's almost like some one knew 18 months in advance,
what was happening and did nothing to stop it.

Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft
us all, again.

OMG, a full bubble. See you around Adolph.


Vote the *******s out

They just did, stupid.

and vote third party.

They aint that stupid.
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

In article g,
The Master wrote:

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:

Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses
just as much services, or even more so, then you do?


Yes I do.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve
it.

So does everyone else. I said AS A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME... A rich man,
who earns 30X my income every single year, does NOT need the
infrastructure 30X more then I do. You can argue that he needs it more,
and I won't fight back. But all 30X more? Come on, you can't seriously
believe that... Do you?

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

The rich needs police and fire to protect their property, not wealth. As
for the military, all free men need it to protect their freedom, no matter
how much wealth or property they may have.
Again, tell it to United Fruit and the Dulles gang. Or to the weapons
manufactures who would be out of business, if it was for an active
military.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies.
The rich benifit from an educated work force. They benifit from a
system of non-corruption..

And that is 100% fair! Progressive taxes punish the rich. Even with the
"tax breaks" that they get, they still pay for far more governmental
services then they use. It is by their labor, by their work and
investment, that social services are provided for the poor, by robing the
rich of their money.
--
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Billy wrote

Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and
Bush is style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same.

Like hell they do. He wouldnt have been stupid enough to invade Iraq, fool.

Do you ever have any facts

Yep, he said all along that the invasion of Iraq made no sense.

or do you just get this stuff outta your back-side?

I leave that to fools like you.

MAYBE Obama wouldn't have invaded Iraq,

No maybe about it.

but now he is complicit in Bush's policies, i.e. hold prisoners
without habeas corpus, allowing torture to continue, extra-judicial
killing with their attendant collateral damage (as Timothy McVeigh
would say), continued spying on all Americans, and the continued
sacking and pillaging of the public coffers, all of which makes him
just as guilty as "The Worst President Ever".

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that NOTHING has changed, fool.


In article
,
Mrs Irish Mike wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:51 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Mrs Irish Mike wrote

The Master wrote
Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich
man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do?
Yes I do.

More fool you.

The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and
preserve it.

Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually
do that too.

The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth.

Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to
protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting
their wealth at all.

The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and
subsidies.

Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than
say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too.

The rich benifit from an educated work force.

That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from.

In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers
to buy the ****
they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an
educated work
force, just being able to read and write is about all they need
from most of their apes
and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need
better than that too.

They benifit from a system of non-corruption..

Many of them benefit even more from corruption.

The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic,
socialised or under a dictator.

Mindlessly silly.

Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station.

That chance is available in any modern first world country even
without upheavel now.

And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility;

Its a fact anyway.

it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%,

And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even
today.

but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans'
class

Like hell there is.

-- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty.

Another pig ignorant lie.

The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely
dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the
homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not
kept in locked wards anymore.

The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in
numbers every single year.

You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We
have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has
high fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese
people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition,
they get empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the
family farm is gone and all they is remaining are food factories
that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The
poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are
subsidized and so the cheapest.

The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone
knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance
a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest.

We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the
basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage
is a temporary thing, government wants the man out before they
will help, strip dancing is considered a valid career choice,
higher education means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an
option for the middle class. Living wage jobs are outsourced
overseas. Military service is one of the few opportunities for the
poor.

Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an
average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be
in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two
from being homeless.

America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea
was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little
luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to
college and retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the
lion's share of the wealth. Credit card companies take a
percentage of nearly every purchase. Laborers are expendable,
education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced or
over run with 'guest' workers. Money is made by having money and
the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced.

Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore.
Interesting reading he
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf