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Jenny/sugar alcohols and the effects on blood sugar.......
Jenny, you are very correct.... any taste of "sweet" can trigger an
insulin reaction. This is not true in "every" with every person's (so goes YMMV we are all different in how our bodies react) case but it HAS been documented and reported...this is what the Drs Heller say about it: from the Hellers: All foods that taste sweet cause the body to release insulin. The human body evolved at a time when all sweet things were carbohydrate-rich and needed insulin to be metabolized. Artificial sweeteners and sugar substitutes "trick" the body, stimulating it to release insulin in preparation for "sugar" it assumes is in the food. But no sugar from artificially-sweetened food appears in the blood, so the insulin that is released, can lower take the blood sugar that remains in the bloodstream from past meals and will often channel this energy into the liver and fat cells. After consuming artificially-sweetened foods, some carbohydrate addicts then feel the effects of excess insulin or low-blood-sugar levels including nervousness, irritability, sweating, shakiness, or light-headiness. These symptoms may be mild but many others often experience cravings for junk food, snack food, or sweets, or for more artificially sweetened-foods, and generally the person goes looking for a sweet or snack or more artificially-sweetened beverages or foods. Julie Westly, Editor Low Carb RESOURCE Newsletter http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...CE_Newsletter/ Jenny said: I find it hilarious that this Carmen who is making like a pit bull about a gram or two of carbs in a taco, is the same person who goes into psycho attack mode (going over to another health newsgroup she doesn't usually post in just to post flames about me) when I suggest that the 20+ grams of sugar alcohol in some "low carb" food might very well have an effect on the blood sugar of many thousands of people and that these labels might, therefore, be lying. --Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now |
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Jenny/sugar alcohols and the effects on blood sugar.......
Julie,
More to the point, it has also been documented that chocolate bars sweetened with maltitol raise blood sugar in normal people exactly the same amount as chocolate bars sweetened with sucrose. http://www.diabetes.ca/Files/SugarAl...cember2002.pdf. Page 5 discusses this data and the footnote points to the study. -- Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? "JulieW" wrote in message om... Jenny, you are very correct.... any taste of "sweet" can trigger an insulin reaction. This is not true in "every" with every person's (so goes YMMV we are all different in how our bodies react) case but it HAS been documented and reported...this is what the Drs Heller say about it: from the Hellers: All foods that taste sweet cause the body to release insulin. The human body evolved at a time when all sweet things were carbohydrate-rich and needed insulin to be metabolized. Artificial sweeteners and sugar substitutes "trick" the body, stimulating it to release insulin in preparation for "sugar" it assumes is in the food. But no sugar from artificially-sweetened food appears in the blood, so the insulin that is released, can lower take the blood sugar that remains in the bloodstream from past meals and will often channel this energy into the liver and fat cells. After consuming artificially-sweetened foods, some carbohydrate addicts then feel the effects of excess insulin or low-blood-sugar levels including nervousness, irritability, sweating, shakiness, or light-headiness. These symptoms may be mild but many others often experience cravings for junk food, snack food, or sweets, or for more artificially sweetened-foods, and generally the person goes looking for a sweet or snack or more artificially-sweetened beverages or foods. Julie Westly, Editor Low Carb RESOURCE Newsletter http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...CE_Newsletter/ Jenny said: I find it hilarious that this Carmen who is making like a pit bull about a gram or two of carbs in a taco, is the same person who goes into psycho attack mode (going over to another health newsgroup she doesn't usually post in just to post flames about me) when I suggest that the 20+ grams of sugar alcohol in some "low carb" food might very well have an effect on the blood sugar of many thousands of people and that these labels might, therefore, be lying. --Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now |
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Jenny/sugar alcohols and the effects on blood sugar.......
I agree, even diet sodas can cause insulin rushes, cravings, and stalls.
(here speaks a serious Diet Coke addict in a stall) I have a problem with artifical sweetened drinks, they never fail to stall me. -- Serena Still going strong "JulieW" wrote in message om... Jenny, you are very correct.... any taste of "sweet" can trigger an insulin reaction. This is not true in "every" with every person's (so goes YMMV we are all different in how our bodies react) case but it HAS been documented and reported...this is what the Drs Heller say about it: from the Hellers: All foods that taste sweet cause the body to release insulin. The human body evolved at a time when all sweet things were carbohydrate-rich and needed insulin to be metabolized. Artificial sweeteners and sugar substitutes "trick" the body, stimulating it to release insulin in preparation for "sugar" it assumes is in the food. But no sugar from artificially-sweetened food appears in the blood, so the insulin that is released, can lower take the blood sugar that remains in the bloodstream from past meals and will often channel this energy into the liver and fat cells. After consuming artificially-sweetened foods, some carbohydrate addicts then feel the effects of excess insulin or low-blood-sugar levels including nervousness, irritability, sweating, shakiness, or light-headiness. These symptoms may be mild but many others often experience cravings for junk food, snack food, or sweets, or for more artificially sweetened-foods, and generally the person goes looking for a sweet or snack or more artificially-sweetened beverages or foods. Julie Westly, Editor Low Carb RESOURCE Newsletter http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...CE_Newsletter/ Jenny said: I find it hilarious that this Carmen who is making like a pit bull about a gram or two of carbs in a taco, is the same person who goes into psycho attack mode (going over to another health newsgroup she doesn't usually post in just to post flames about me) when I suggest that the 20+ grams of sugar alcohol in some "low carb" food might very well have an effect on the blood sugar of many thousands of people and that these labels might, therefore, be lying. --Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now |
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Jenny/sugar alcohols and the effects on blood sugar.......
"Jenny" wrote in message
... Julie, More to the point, it has also been documented that chocolate bars sweetened with maltitol raise blood sugar in normal people exactly the same amount as chocolate bars sweetened with sucrose. http://www.diabetes.ca/Files/SugarAl...December2002.p df. Page 5 discusses this data and the footnote points to the study. Actually Jenny, the "point" you try to make in this thread with your swipe at Carmen is a shift from your earlier words, and isn't the same point you claim above at all. It's nice for you that some people have been deflected away from examining your statements about sugar alcohol and noticing the facts, namely, that you have a thing about sugar alcohol and that you tend to gloss over details, if not outright lie when the subject comes up, but that doesn't change the fact that you have, and more than once. 1) Maltitol is the *only* sugar alcohol that exhibits a *significant* bs effect (noted as modest in the report), and the **most significant** effect is in combination with chocolate bars, but researchers are not sure which particular ingredient or combination of ingredients enhances the effect. For you to leave out this important information would lead an intelligent person to believe you to be engaging in dishonesty. 2)There are plenty of other sugar alcohols that do *not* exhibit this effect, nor this effect *to the degree that you claim it does*, namely, all of the rest. Pulled, by the way, from the same link you use to support your crusade against all sugar alcohols. For you to leave out this important information would lead an intelligent person to believe you to be engaging in dishonesty. 3)You have misrepresented what the studys says, and then backpeddaled by claiming to only 'suggest' 'some' people 'might' have trouble with it, here and in that other group that you claim Carmen doesn't post to unless to flame you on this subject (fascinating that you believe that 2-3 short posts on the subject out of 90some odd posts on that group constitutes following you to that group to flame you-- especially as Carmen has been posting to that group since 2001). That is not nearly as declarative as your original statements, here and in that other group, which is what Carmen originally objected to, and continues to object to, as well as your misrepresentation in this and another group about what was and was not said here in this group. Which, again, would lead an intelligent person to believe you are engaging in dishonesty. revek --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 |
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"revek" wrote: "Jenny" wrote in message ... Julie, More to the point, it has also been documented that chocolate bars sweetened with maltitol raise blood sugar in normal people exactly the same amount as chocolate bars sweetened with sucrose. http://www.diabetes.ca/Files/SugarAl...December2002.p df. Page 5 discusses this data and the footnote points to the study. Actually Jenny, the "point" you try to make in this thread with your swipe at Carmen is a shift from your earlier words, and isn't the same point you claim above at all. It's nice for you that some people have been deflected away from examining your statements about sugar alcohol and noticing the facts, namely, that you have a thing about sugar alcohol and that you tend to gloss over details, if not outright lie when the subject comes up, but that doesn't change the fact that you have, and more than once. 1) Maltitol is the *only* sugar alcohol that exhibits a *significant* bs effect (noted as modest in the report), and the **most significant** effect is in combination with chocolate bars, but researchers are not sure which particular ingredient or combination of ingredients enhances the effect. For you to leave out this important information would lead an intelligent person to believe you to be engaging in dishonesty. 2)There are plenty of other sugar alcohols that do *not* exhibit this effect, nor this effect *to the degree that you claim it does*, namely, all of the rest. Pulled, by the way, from the same link you use to support your crusade against all sugar alcohols. For you to leave out this important information would lead an intelligent person to believe you to be engaging in dishonesty. 3)You have misrepresented what the studys says, and then backpeddaled by claiming to only 'suggest' 'some' people 'might' have trouble with it, here and in that other group that you claim Carmen doesn't post to unless to flame you on this subject (fascinating that you believe that 2-3 short posts on the subject out of 90some odd posts on that group constitutes following you to that group to flame you-- especially as Carmen has been posting to that group since 2001). That is not nearly as declarative as your original statements, here and in that other group, which is what Carmen originally objected to, and continues to object to, as well as your misrepresentation in this and another group about what was and was not said here in this group. Which, again, would lead an intelligent person to believe you are engaging in dishonesty. revek Not to mention her "expert" web site that provides selectively documented "information" that she never fails to hawk at every turn. -- Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/139 |
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Jenny/sugar alcohols and the effects on blood sugar.......
Revek,
I love the way you and your buddies turn to personal attacks and name calling in response to my postings about fact. It's always the tipoff something else is going on. Eat all the sugar alcohols you want. Feed it to your friends and family. Especially the ones with diabetes. I really don't care a whit what you think. I do care about the people who visit here who would like to control their blood sugar and insulin levels who are stalling because they buy into the "impact carb" label crap. Especially people with diabetes. I'll continue to post about the dangers of these lying labels and I'll continue to ignore the childish hostility of you and the other "sugar alcoholics" -- Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? "revek" wrote in message ... "Jenny" wrote in message ... Julie, More to the point, it has also been documented that chocolate bars sweetened with maltitol raise blood sugar in normal people exactly the same amount as chocolate bars sweetened with sucrose. http://www.diabetes.ca/Files/SugarAl...December2002.p df. Page 5 discusses this data and the footnote points to the study. Actually Jenny, the "point" you try to make in this thread with your swipe at Carmen is a shift from your earlier words, and isn't the same point you claim above at all. It's nice for you that some people have been deflected away from examining your statements about sugar alcohol and noticing the facts, namely, that you have a thing about sugar alcohol and that you tend to gloss over details, if not outright lie when the subject comes up, but that doesn't change the fact that you have, and more than once. 1) Maltitol is the *only* sugar alcohol that exhibits a *significant* bs effect (noted as modest in the report), and the **most significant** effect is in combination with chocolate bars, but researchers are not sure which particular ingredient or combination of ingredients enhances the effect. For you to leave out this important information would lead an intelligent person to believe you to be engaging in dishonesty. 2)There are plenty of other sugar alcohols that do *not* exhibit this effect, nor this effect *to the degree that you claim it does*, namely, all of the rest. Pulled, by the way, from the same link you use to support your crusade against all sugar alcohols. For you to leave out this important information would lead an intelligent person to believe you to be engaging in dishonesty. 3)You have misrepresented what the studys says, and then backpeddaled by claiming to only 'suggest' 'some' people 'might' have trouble with it, here and in that other group that you claim Carmen doesn't post to unless to flame you on this subject (fascinating that you believe that 2-3 short posts on the subject out of 90some odd posts on that group constitutes following you to that group to flame you-- especially as Carmen has been posting to that group since 2001). That is not nearly as declarative as your original statements, here and in that other group, which is what Carmen originally objected to, and continues to object to, as well as your misrepresentation in this and another group about what was and was not said here in this group. Which, again, would lead an intelligent person to believe you are engaging in dishonesty. revek --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 |
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Jenny wrote:
:: Revek, :: :: I love the way you and your buddies turn to personal attacks and name :: calling in response to my postings about fact. It's always the tipoff :: something else is going on. What else is going on? :: :: Eat all the sugar alcohols you want. Feed it to your friends and :: family. Especially the ones with diabetes. I really don't care a :: whit what you think. :: :: I do care about the people who visit here who would like to control :: their blood sugar and insulin levels who are stalling because they :: buy into the "impact carb" label crap. Especially people with :: diabetes. I'll continue to post about the dangers of these lying :: labels and I'll continue to ignore the childish hostility of you and :: the other "sugar alcoholics" I think the problem is you simply don't pay attention. No one has said, that I have seen, that there is no problem with the products for some people -- the issue lies in *where* the problem is. I doubt any would bother speaking against you if you'd simply pay attention to details more, rather than maintaining an "almost blind" crusade. |
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The problem is in the labels which tell people who are on low carb diets
that they can ignore dozens of carbs that their bodies, which don't pay attention to the labels, will then happily metabolise. The labels lie. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Why my insistance on pointing this out makes people turn nasty and resort to name calling rather than discussion of the issues can be debated. I suspect it has something to do with their dependence on these junk food products, but who knows? -- Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Jenny wrote: :: Revek, :: :: I love the way you and your buddies turn to personal attacks and name :: calling in response to my postings about fact. It's always the tipoff :: something else is going on. What else is going on? :: :: Eat all the sugar alcohols you want. Feed it to your friends and :: family. Especially the ones with diabetes. I really don't care a :: whit what you think. :: :: I do care about the people who visit here who would like to control :: their blood sugar and insulin levels who are stalling because they :: buy into the "impact carb" label crap. Especially people with :: diabetes. I'll continue to post about the dangers of these lying :: labels and I'll continue to ignore the childish hostility of you and :: the other "sugar alcoholics" I think the problem is you simply don't pay attention. No one has said, that I have seen, that there is no problem with the products for some people -- the issue lies in *where* the problem is. I doubt any would bother speaking against you if you'd simply pay attention to details more, rather than maintaining an "almost blind" crusade. |
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Jenny wrote:
:: The problem is in the labels which tell people who are on low carb :: diets that they can ignore dozens of carbs that their bodies, which :: don't pay attention to the labels, will then happily metabolise. :: :: The labels lie. It doesn't get any simpler than that. I think the truth of the labels may indeed be in quesiton for some people. Blanket statements are a problem, Jenny. :: :: Why my insistance on pointing this out makes people turn nasty and :: resort to name calling rather than discussion of the issues can be :: debated. I suspect it has something to do with their dependence on :: these junk food products, but who knows? See....if seems to me at least that you're saying more than this, Jenny. It seems that you are flat out blaming SAs in all cases, when in fact the problems could be something slightly different than just SAs. If you would try to be a little more objective about it, I think people wouldn't bother you about this -- I don't believe any here think you're not fully interested in being helpful, Jenny. Also, I don't think these people are dependent upon these junk foods either, -- they may or may not eat them occasionally -- I know I do eat them from time to time (not lately, though). However, I am aware that their impact may not be as claimed on the labels (and I do happen to think that other ingredients in some of these products have a bearing on how my body reacts to them -- for example, Pure Delite Dark Chocolate bars have a stronger effect on how I feel than other SA sweetened products at typical serving sizes -- and I avoid them now). The people here are not out to get you, Jenny. Perhaps if you took some of their comments to heart, your advice to other LCers might even improve. Believe it or not, no one is perfect. |
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"Jenny" wrote in message
... Revek, I love the way you and your buddies turn to personal attacks and name calling in response to my postings about fact. It's always the tipoff something else is going on. Jenny Jenny. It must really hurt to not be able to enjoy life when every damn thing under the sun gives you an insulin spike-- the jealousy must eat you alive. That must be the main reason why you want eveyone else to live like you do. You are an ignorant, arrogant, know-it-all fool who would gladly lead the world into chaos just so you can be a guru and soothe that hole in your miserable heart so nobody here should take anything you say about anything whatsoever seriously. Now see, *that* is a personal attack. Please people, if you are going to accuse others of ad homenin attacks, at least know what they are and are not. I did not do this, however much you claim I have. What I have done is point out that the broad brush you paint with regarding sugar alcohol is too damn broad, and you are leaving out facts that informs and modifies the facts that you do post, and people will not look kindly on you when they find out that you knew and didn't say anything to promote your agenda. What I also point out is your 'defense' is incorrect-- you know that post that always pops up sooner or later telling others how you've been picked on unfairly, like the one in this thread. You do not say that only some people might have trouble. You claim that people *will have trouble. Period. Your posts imply that all people everywhere will react the exact same way you do to sugar alcohol. That is not helpful to anybody. Nor is it true. Eat all the sugar alcohols you want. Feed it to your friends and family. Especially the ones with diabetes. I really don't care a whit what you think. I don't care if you do either. This response is for those people you claim you want to help. It's always good to have all the sides of the issue under hand for review. I do care about the people who visit here who would like to control their blood sugar and insulin levels who are stalling because they buy into the "impact carb" label crap. Especially people with diabetes. I'll continue to post about the dangers of these lying labels You keep saying that. I want actuall wordage. I haven't bought or looked at those bars in over a year, but my recollection is that the label may have implied that there would be no bs impact from sugar alcohol, but actually **said** the words "insignificant", but I might concede it's been too long for me to remember correctly, if you apologized for the insult below. and I'll continue to ignore the childish hostility of you and the other "sugar alcoholics" Jenny you've been told that insult is extreemly insulting to me in particular. That you continue to use it shows who the childishly hostile one in this thread is. It won't however get me off your back on this. It will make it difficult to reach a middle ground with you without an apology. revek --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 |
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