Low Carb Bread Recipes

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
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Sorry. No. Grains are the seeds of grasses. Man has been eating fruit
and leaves as long as meat, and grains are a recent addition, comparable
to milk, as a dietary ingredient. Neither was possible until settlements
were established, animals were domesticated and agriculture was well
underway. Roughly 6-8 thousand years ago.


Also the grains available today are much higher in gluten than the wild
grains were.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

Ann wrote:

Man has been eating grains as long as meat if
not longer and eventually learned to grind it and make bread from it.

Factually incorrect. You are completely ignoring
amounts and so reaching a false conclusion.

The closest relative species will eat all the meat
they can get, their only limitation is they aren't up
to using enough tools to get it in quantity. But
consider that chimps use tools to get termites which
are meat, and flesh from hunted mammals is so valued
it's the one food they will not share.

Moving on to human ancestors, meat became a part of the
diet in quantity somewhere in the range of 3-5 million
years ago. Compared to grain which was a very small
quantity food item until under 20 thousand years ago
when agriculture was developed.

Grain was such a rare addition to the human diet that
to this day abotu 1-in-130ish are intolerant of one
type of grain or another. Grain as absolutely not
health food for a part of the population and if you
find a tribe that has remained hunter-gatherer until
a coupe of generations ago the introduction of grain
based diets triggers diabetes rates of over 50%.

We are not wild animals. We were given intelligence to make and use
tools and are not confined to hunting and eating meat!

Factually incorrect. Tools enabled meat hunting
rather than rendering it obsolete. It wasn't until
the industrial revolution that animal husbandry
became so industrialized that hunting could become
a hobby not a matter of necessity.

There are essential nutrients in grains not to mention the fibre. One
reason for colon cancer and other problems in that area is due to lack
of fibre. Problem is too many people eat white bread rather than a
high fibre high grain bread.

And that too is an argument in favor of low carb plans.
Dietary fiber is much higher in the mandatory veggies
of low carb plans than on junk food like white bread.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:

Humans don't have a "natural" diet. We're opportunistic omnivores. We
eat live things, dead things, things other creatures have killed and

But you *did* just describe the natural human diet. Some
percentage mixture of animal products and fresh vegitable
products where the percentage doesn't hit zero in either
direction.

some few of us drink coffee that's been crapped out of a weasel...

You've peaked my curiosity. Coffee that's been crapped out of a
weasel?????

It's actually a lemur not a weasel so every once in a while
I'll see it listed as crapped out of a monkey.

There is a type of coffee from Madagasqar where a type of forest
lemur eats the whole berries. The berries have a coating that
is not seen by folks who only see the beans, and it is that
fruit coating the lemurs want. They swallow the fruit whole and
do not digest the beans just the fruit. The result is a bean
whose coffee is extremely mild. I've had it but I prefer the
stronger styles of coffee.

Exactly how someone figured out to roast the beans that have
been processed through the digestive system of a lemur and
rejected as undigstible seeds I'll never know. No matter the
Babylon 5 jokes about the Pak'mahra scavenger species, it is
humans that will actually try to eat anything.

Max Hollywood Harris wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
wrote:

Yeah, I wonder about the logic of that. Yes, prior to the invention
of agriculture, man probably did just eat vegetables, berries, and
meats. However, at that point man also had a life expectancy of like,
30 years.

This misses a point. Life expectancy went *down* with the
advent of agriculture ...

OTOH, one might argue that they didn't get degenerative diseases
because they didn't live long enough to develop them or they didn't
have technology/terminology to know they had alzheimers or ALS.

No. Having a life expectancy of 30 means that's the
average age at death. Since infant mortality is very
high in low science cultures, it basically means that
a bunch die early and then the rate is steady for a
long time. There are plenty of healthy folks over 60
years old in any hunter-gatherer society. They are the
ones smart and/or lucky enough that they have not died
in accidents, had hunting injuries or whatever.

What increases life expectancy so much in high science
cultures are lower infant mortality, lower accident
rates, extremely low rate of hunting deaths. In a society
where the life expectancy is 80 and it is newsworthy
whenever anyone under 60 dies, it becomes natural to
figure that most people die near their life expectancy.
It's a false notion for low science cultures. In low
science cultures plenty of people are young and/or
healthy when they die and there are plenty of healthy
old folks.

In article .com,
"Max Hollywood Harris" wrote:

Doug Freyburger wrote:
wrote:

Yeah, I wonder about the logic of that. Yes, prior to the invention
of agriculture, man probably did just eat vegetables, berries, and
meats. However, at that point man also had a life expectancy of like,
30 years.

This misses a point. Life expectancy went *down* with the
advent of agriculture. Before agriculture all of humanity
lived in hunter-gatherer societies and some such exist to
this day. They die from accidents, infectious diseases,
injuries. They do not get degenerative diseases ranging
from rotting teeth through cancer. The reason agricultural
societies bloomed even though they died younger is the extra
food meant extra fertility and the ability to survive in
crowds.

OTOH, one might argue that they didn't get degenerative diseases
because they didn't live long enough to develop them or they didn't
have technology/terminology to know they had alzheimers or ALS.

I don't disagree that life expectancy went down with ag society. But I
think that suggesting that people who lived to 30-35 and died without
degeneration weren't suceptible to them is not entirely on the mark.
Too many variables to suggest causality.

-Hollywood


Obesity sure did not happen until we started growing grains.....
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article .com,
"Doug Freyburger" wrote:

Grain was such a rare addition to the human diet that
to this day abotu 1-in-130ish are intolerant of one
type of grain or another.

Try 1 in 20. 5% of the american population is wheat intolerant.
Read that in an educational brochure at the VA hospital ER one day.
It was a brochure on Coeliac disease.

That's a hell of a lot of people. ;-)

And, those who are wheat intolerant are usually sensitive to Barley and
Oats as well.

This is probably why there are so many wealthy gastroenterologists,
and why the market for over the counter digestive aids is so well
developed.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article . com,
"Doug Freyburger" wrote:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:

Humans don't have a "natural" diet. We're opportunistic omnivores. We
eat live things, dead things, things other creatures have killed and

But you *did* just describe the natural human diet. Some
percentage mixture of animal products and fresh vegitable
products where the percentage doesn't hit zero in either
direction.

some few of us drink coffee that's been crapped out of a weasel...

You've peaked my curiosity. Coffee that's been crapped out of a
weasel?????

It's actually a lemur not a weasel so every once in a while
I'll see it listed as crapped out of a monkey.

There is a type of coffee from Madagasqar where a type of forest
lemur eats the whole berries. The berries have a coating that
is not seen by folks who only see the beans, and it is that
fruit coating the lemurs want. They swallow the fruit whole and
do not digest the beans just the fruit. The result is a bean
whose coffee is extremely mild. I've had it but I prefer the
stronger styles of coffee.

It still sounds gross. ;-)

Personally, I prefer Hawaiian Kona.


Exactly how someone figured out to roast the beans that have
been processed through the digestive system of a lemur and
rejected as undigstible seeds I'll never know. No matter the
Babylon 5 jokes about the Pak'mahra scavenger species, it is
humans that will actually try to eat anything.

smiles Thanks for the explanation.

If you want a fascinating hypothesis as to how humans learned to eat
certain items, read a book called "Animals and Hallucinogens".

That book explains why the Laplanders drank Reindeer urine.....

Bon Apetit'!


--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

You get over it airhead. Go ahead and click the last link on that long
list of links and have your computer go into a tail spin.

tinyurls are a risk. You don't think so? Good for you. You just keep on
trukin...


On the "I don't open tinyurl links": Get over it. Not everyone is out
to get you. In fact, the vast majority are not. I've posted here, on
and off since mid-2002 without anyone's computer blowing up as a result
of anything I did. Or you could just google "low carb bread machine"
and be done with it.

Sigh, you try to do a favor...

Hollywood Max Harris

You think everyone has put their recipes on the internet? I haven't.
And I therefore asked to see if some would get posted. I know how to
google you googlehead.

I also know how to dogpile, lycos, yahoo, msn, shall i go on? And
again, I don't click tinyurls or other url shortcut programs.

Ann

Max Hollywood Harris wrote:
But deep down, the question is one that could be
answered with a little googling, or even google searching this group.
IMHO, the marketplace of ideas can answer the question as well, if not
better than, the current group of posters in the community (no offense
intended).

Ignoramus9118 wrote:
:: good low carb bread is a double oxymoron.

True, but as a cheese holder, any really low-carb bread be good

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:: On 22 Aug 2005 19:06:17 -0700, Ann wrote:
::: Anyone have any good low carb bread machine recipes?
::: I tried this one at:
::: http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/recipes...e-bread01.html
::: But I thought it tasted terrible. (My husband actually liked it
::: however.) I'm looking for more to try.
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::: Ann
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