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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 05:59:30, Avatar wrote:

Another alternative are
salads. A lot of people don't like them, but McDonalds has some pretty
good salads. Watch out for their dressing though. If possible use your
own low-fat or low-carb dressing. A packet of McD's dressing has
almost as many calories as the salad itself. I like the Fiesta Salad.
Mixed greens, seasoned ground beef, cheese, tortilla strips, salsa.
Comes in at ~ 350 calories if you skip the sour cream.

Bear in mind that the original poster is from the UK, and we don't have
that sort of salad in McD's here - just a vile chicken job that has more
calories, and fewer nutrients, than a Big Mac! (I'd rather have the Big
Mac, I think!)
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Website updated 18 July 2004

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 15:44:18, Lictor wrote:

"Avatar" wrote in message
.. .
If you are into the whole Atkins thing, get a Subway wrap. Many other
fast food places offer the wraps as well.

Or just buy a regular sandwich and throw away the bread, it might be cheaper
or taste better... I'm not on Atkins, but I'm getting very picky on the
quality and taste of my bread lately. On the occasions when I have had a
sandwich, I mostly ate all the feeling, took a couple of bites at the bread,
and if not good enough (alas often the case, we have amazing bread, but
somehow they didn't figure out they could actually use it when making
sandwiches) I throw away the rest.

Huh, in this country (and the poster, I think, is a fellow-countryman),
they don't put enough fillings in the sandwiches to enable you to do
that! You get maybe 1/2 slice ham, 1/4 lettuce leaf, 1 slice tomato, and
a dollop of mayonnaise. I remember being terribly impressed with the
amount of filling provided in American sandwiches - I agree, you barely
need the bread!

Also remember that being server a King Size sandwich doesn't mean you have
to eat it all. If you feel you had enough, throw away the leftover, save it
for later or give it away to some homeless...

Wish we *did* get king-sized sandwiches. Even the so-called "Deep Fill"
variety have just enough filling to be visible between the slices of
bread..... and, of course, by the time you get to the crust at the back
of the carton, there's no filling, as it's all at the front where the
consumer can see it.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 18 July 2004

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 15:44:18, Lictor wrote:

"Avatar" wrote in message
.. .
If you are into the whole Atkins thing, get a Subway wrap. Many other
fast food places offer the wraps as well.

Or just buy a regular sandwich and throw away the bread, it might be cheaper
or taste better... I'm not on Atkins, but I'm getting very picky on the
quality and taste of my bread lately. On the occasions when I have had a
sandwich, I mostly ate all the feeling, took a couple of bites at the bread,
and if not good enough (alas often the case, we have amazing bread, but
somehow they didn't figure out they could actually use it when making
sandwiches) I throw away the rest.

Huh, in this country (and the poster, I think, is a fellow-countryman),
they don't put enough fillings in the sandwiches to enable you to do
that! You get maybe 1/2 slice ham, 1/4 lettuce leaf, 1 slice tomato, and
a dollop of mayonnaise. I remember being terribly impressed with the
amount of filling provided in American sandwiches - I agree, you barely
need the bread!

Also remember that being server a King Size sandwich doesn't mean you have
to eat it all. If you feel you had enough, throw away the leftover, save it
for later or give it away to some homeless...

Wish we *did* get king-sized sandwiches. Even the so-called "Deep Fill"
variety have just enough filling to be visible between the slices of
bread..... and, of course, by the time you get to the crust at the back
of the carton, there's no filling, as it's all at the front where the
consumer can see it.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 18 July 2004

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:27:17 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 05:59:30, Avatar wrote:

Another alternative are
salads. A lot of people don't like them, but McDonalds has some pretty
good salads. Watch out for their dressing though. If possible use your
own low-fat or low-carb dressing. A packet of McD's dressing has
almost as many calories as the salad itself. I like the Fiesta Salad.
Mixed greens, seasoned ground beef, cheese, tortilla strips, salsa.
Comes in at ~ 350 calories if you skip the sour cream.

Bear in mind that the original poster is from the UK, and we don't have
that sort of salad in McD's here - just a vile chicken job that has more
calories, and fewer nutrients, than a Big Mac! (I'd rather have the Big
Mac, I think!)


Wasn't aware the salads weren't available over there. Sorry.

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:27:17 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 05:59:30, Avatar wrote:

Another alternative are
salads. A lot of people don't like them, but McDonalds has some pretty
good salads. Watch out for their dressing though. If possible use your
own low-fat or low-carb dressing. A packet of McD's dressing has
almost as many calories as the salad itself. I like the Fiesta Salad.
Mixed greens, seasoned ground beef, cheese, tortilla strips, salsa.
Comes in at ~ 350 calories if you skip the sour cream.

Bear in mind that the original poster is from the UK, and we don't have
that sort of salad in McD's here - just a vile chicken job that has more
calories, and fewer nutrients, than a Big Mac! (I'd rather have the Big
Mac, I think!)


Wasn't aware the salads weren't available over there. Sorry.

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
Huh, in this country (and the poster, I think, is a fellow-countryman),
they don't put enough fillings in the sandwiches to enable you to do
that! You get maybe 1/2 slice ham, 1/4 lettuce leaf, 1 slice tomato, and
a dollop of mayonnaise. I remember being terribly impressed with the
amount of filling provided in American sandwiches - I agree, you barely
need the bread!

Actually, I'm in France But I have mostly given up on our regular
sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most kebab houses will give you
enough to eat outside of the bread, at least if they want to have their
clients come back. Besides, the good kebab houses bake pita bread
themselves, so it's actually good... As in the UK, regular French sandwiches
tend to be rather "empty" and have awful bread.
American sandwiches do seem to have a right amount of filling too, if they
don't overflow it with mayonnaise or something. I even guess buritos could
be an option too if you ask them not to put that much cheese in them - I
mean, meat, beans and some rice is not that unhealthy (unless you're low
carb).
*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an option too
(again, not low carb), especially without cheese.

Besides, don't people in the UK eat at restaurants or pubs at lunch? I mean,
sandwiches every time? Sounds boring... Over here, it's not that hard to
find a ?5 deal at some Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around
?7, with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...

"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
Huh, in this country (and the poster, I think, is a fellow-countryman),
they don't put enough fillings in the sandwiches to enable you to do
that! You get maybe 1/2 slice ham, 1/4 lettuce leaf, 1 slice tomato, and
a dollop of mayonnaise. I remember being terribly impressed with the
amount of filling provided in American sandwiches - I agree, you barely
need the bread!

Actually, I'm in France But I have mostly given up on our regular
sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most kebab houses will give you
enough to eat outside of the bread, at least if they want to have their
clients come back. Besides, the good kebab houses bake pita bread
themselves, so it's actually good... As in the UK, regular French sandwiches
tend to be rather "empty" and have awful bread.
American sandwiches do seem to have a right amount of filling too, if they
don't overflow it with mayonnaise or something. I even guess buritos could
be an option too if you ask them not to put that much cheese in them - I
mean, meat, beans and some rice is not that unhealthy (unless you're low
carb).
*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an option too
(again, not low carb), especially without cheese.

Besides, don't people in the UK eat at restaurants or pubs at lunch? I mean,
sandwiches every time? Sounds boring... Over here, it's not that hard to
find a ?5 deal at some Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around
?7, with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 20:26:21, Lictor wrote:

Actually, I'm in France But I have mostly given up on our regular
sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most kebab houses will give you
enough to eat outside of the bread, at least if they want to have their
clients come back. Besides, the good kebab houses bake pita bread
themselves, so it's actually good... As in the UK, regular French sandwiches
tend to be rather "empty" and have awful bread.

Although they do seem to have improved in recent years. But when I
lived in France (as a teenager/young adult) I lost a tremendous amount
of weight simply because, like the French, I didn't snack. Even eating
a croque-monsieur and beer for lunch every day! Mind you, back then,
croque-monsieurs were made fresh to order, not bought in advanced and
microwaved the way they are now, and were much nicer.

*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an option too
(again, not low carb), especially without cheese.

Can you actually get them without cheese, though? I do agree, they are
excellent, and far less fattening than the American ones.

Besides, don't people in the UK eat at restaurants or pubs at lunch? I mean,
sandwiches every time? Sounds boring... Over here, it's not that hard to
find a ?5 deal at some Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around
?7, with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...

Don't forget, you don't get lunch-breaks in the UK any more; you eat at
your desks or not at all - unlike you lot that get 2 hours or so to go
to a restaurant.....
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 18 July 2004

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 at 20:26:21, Lictor wrote:

Actually, I'm in France But I have mostly given up on our regular
sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most kebab houses will give you
enough to eat outside of the bread, at least if they want to have their
clients come back. Besides, the good kebab houses bake pita bread
themselves, so it's actually good... As in the UK, regular French sandwiches
tend to be rather "empty" and have awful bread.

Although they do seem to have improved in recent years. But when I
lived in France (as a teenager/young adult) I lost a tremendous amount
of weight simply because, like the French, I didn't snack. Even eating
a croque-monsieur and beer for lunch every day! Mind you, back then,
croque-monsieurs were made fresh to order, not bought in advanced and
microwaved the way they are now, and were much nicer.

*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an option too
(again, not low carb), especially without cheese.

Can you actually get them without cheese, though? I do agree, they are
excellent, and far less fattening than the American ones.

Besides, don't people in the UK eat at restaurants or pubs at lunch? I mean,
sandwiches every time? Sounds boring... Over here, it's not that hard to
find a ?5 deal at some Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around
?7, with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...

Don't forget, you don't get lunch-breaks in the UK any more; you eat at
your desks or not at all - unlike you lot that get 2 hours or so to go
to a restaurant.....
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 18 July 2004

Lictor wrote:

I'm not on Atkins, but I'm getting very picky on the
quality and taste of my bread lately.

We bake all our own bread and I've become so picky about getting bread out.
Living in Germany for 6 years made me appreciate good, fresh, crusty bread.

I don't eat much bread at all - it *better* be yummy!

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