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Ornish diet/lifestyle questions
I am just learning about the Ornish diet and I have a few questions
about several things I do not understand: 1) How can corn and potatoes be acceptable? Aren't they starches that convert to sugar in the stomach? 2) No nuts and seeds. Legumes are okay. Fine. Technically, peanuts are legumes. Are peanuts and peanut butter not acceptable? 3) Sugar is not allowed yet in some of Dr. Ornish's recipes, sugar and honey are sometimes ingredients. What gives? 4) Grains such as whole wheat are okay. Does that make bread okay? If so, certain sandwiches must be okay then, right? Say, a Polaner fruit spread sandwich? Ever hear of Ezekiel bread (sprouted grain bread)? Is this any good? 5) Is popcorn okay? As long as it's air-popped? As long as no oil, butter, etc. is slathered on it? 6) People on this board often say, for example, "1 cup brown rice". Is this 1 cup before cooking it or after? Thank you. |
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I am just learning about the Ornish diet and I have a few questions about several things I do not understand: 1) How can corn and potatoes be acceptable? Aren't they starches that convert to sugar in the stomach? Your calories have to come from somewhere. Low carbers end up high fat, low fatters end up high carb. 3) Sugar is not allowed yet in some of Dr. Ornish's recipes, sugar and honey are sometimes ingredients. What gives? I see this same conflict in the Atkins book on the opposite end of the dieting spectrum. At best Dr O reviewed the recipes and it demonstrates how strict or loose the details of the rules are. At worst Dr O doesn't cook and didn't carefully review the recipes. 4) Grains such as whole wheat are okay. Does that make bread okay? The problem with whole grain bread - Many brands that say whole grain actually use whole grain at spice levels to change the flavor or color but the majority of the flour used is refined. It is important to read the label and confirm that all of the grain used is whole grain and none refined. Bread entirely from whole wheat/rye/etc does not last as well so it costs more and is harder to find. |
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message ... wrote: I am just learning about the Ornish diet and I have a few questions about several things I do not understand: 1) How can corn and potatoes be acceptable? Aren't they starches that convert to sugar in the stomach? Ornish is very low fat, not low carb, as I recall. Your calories have to come from somewhere. Low carbers end up high fat, low fatters end up high carb. 3) Sugar is not allowed yet in some of Dr. Ornish's recipes, sugar and honey are sometimes ingredients. What gives? I see this same conflict in the Atkins book on the opposite end of the dieting spectrum. At best Dr O reviewed the recipes and it demonstrates how strict or loose the details of the rules are. At worst Dr O doesn't cook and didn't carefully review the recipes. Very unlikely he cooks, being a famous doctor running his institute and all. Sometimes a small amount of sugar would be ok, it seems to me. Is it necessary to have exactly zero refined sugar? I doubt it. 4) Grains such as whole wheat are okay. Does that make bread okay? The problem with whole grain bread - Many brands that say whole grain actually use whole grain at spice levels to change the flavor or color but the majority of the flour used is refined. It is important to read the label and confirm that all of the grain used is whole grain and none refined. Bread entirely from whole wheat/rye/etc does not last as well so it costs more and is harder to find. Look for "100% whole wheat" on the label. Or read the ingredients to see what is in it. Commercial 100% whole wheat seems to keep ok. But it is a lower volume product so is more expensive. But there is a brand at Sam's club that is 100 percent, palatable, and reasonable. del |
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"Del Cecchi" wrote:
"Doug Freyburger" wrote: wrote: I am just learning about the Ornish diet and I have a few questions about several things I do not understand: 1) How can corn and potatoes be acceptable? Aren't they starches that convert to sugar in the stomach? Ornish is very low fat, not low carb, as I recall. I recall Atkins/Ornish debates on various TV shows. Both good doctors were understandable and civil. But being an At-kid, I only addressed the points I knew mappped across. Your calories have to come from somewhere. *Low carbers end up high fat, low fatters end up high carb. Which is why I gave this answer - Since the calories have to come from somewhere, low fat plans can't drop starchy foods. Any limitation of sugar can't take digestion into account or the plan becomes a starvation plan. 3) Sugar is not allowed yet in some of Dr. Ornish's recipes, sugar and honey are sometimes ingredients. What gives? I see this same conflict in the Atkins book on the opposite end of the dieting spectrum. *At best Dr O reviewed the recipes and it demonstrates how strict or loose the details of the rules are. At worst Dr O doesn't cook and didn't carefully review the recipes. Very unlikely he cooks, being a famous doctor running his institute and all. If so then I'm not sure if I should be displeased at the lack of review and corrections of recipes that don't follow the plan, or displeased at lack of caveats in the plan about how hard or soft each rule is - Is such-and-such rule really a loose guideline because of what's in a recipe later in the book or is the recipe a mistake? I think this ultimately comes down to getting a book to the publisher on a deadline. Allow each and every error or point of potential confusion to be resolved and the book gets published posthumously several decades later. And so folks who read almost any non-fiction book are able to find problems like this. |
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On Apr 30, 6:15*pm, wrote:
I am just learning about the Ornish diet and I have a few questions about several things I do not understand: 1) How can corn and potatoes be acceptable? Aren't they starches that convert to sugar in the stomach? 2) No nuts and seeds. Legumes are okay. Fine. Technically, peanuts are legumes. Are peanuts and peanut butter not acceptable? 3) Sugar is not allowed yet in some of Dr. Ornish's recipes, sugar and honey are sometimes ingredients. What gives? 4) Grains such as whole wheat are okay. Does that make bread okay? If so, certain sandwiches must be okay then, right? Say, a Polaner fruit spread sandwich? Ever hear of Ezekiel bread (sprouted grain bread)? Is this any good? 5) Is popcorn okay? As long as it's air-popped? As long as no oil, butter, etc. is slathered on it? 6) People on this board often say, for example, "1 cup brown rice". Is this 1 cup before cooking it or after? Thank you. I've been on the Ornish diet for over 3 years now, so I know a couple of things about it. No, peanut butter and peanuts are not OK. They are very high fat. The diet is low fat, high carb, adequate protein, with little or no meat. There is not much in the way of refined carbs (sugar) in the ORnish diet. Most is complex carbs, which require time and effort to break down. I personally eat a lot of bread. Today, for example I had 8 slices of bread plus there was bread in my Subway Veggie Delight. I eat a lot of oats, veggies, whole wheat. I also drink nonfat milk and eat egg whites which is OK with Ornish. I eat almost the opposite of the Atkins diet and am vegetarian. There is one great thing about eating low fat and that is that you get to eat MORE FOOD by weight, because fat...all fat, has 9 calories per gram, while carbs and protein have 4 calories per gram. Add to that high fiber and high water foods such as prepared oats, prepared lentils, green beans...beans of any kind really, all whole grains eaten as cereal which are both high fiber and high water and low fat, and you get to eat much, much more for the same calories. This works for me since I am basically a big eater. If I loved meat and fat, I would probably try Atkins, but I don't care for meat, so this diet works very well for me. I'm also in great shape and health far as I know at 5'8" and 138 pounds. I count calories religiously and eat exactly 2025 each day and work out moderately 6 times a week. The Ornish diet really works, but if you would feel deprived by eating low-fat and no meat, then you could try a different diet. They all work so long as you count calories accurately and know your caloric needs. dkw |
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