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Old January 26th, 2005, 06:19 AM
Chris Braun
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:01:22 -0800, "GaryG"
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , GaryG
wrote:

"Mike Turco" wrote in message
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I've been "dieting" for four months and have come down from 290 to

265.
That
comes out to about 1.3 lb/week. Considering that there were a couple

of
small setbacks maybe that's not so bad.

I'm wondering other people experience in terms of average weight loss.
Specifically, pounds lost divided by weeks of dieting. Its one thing

to
lose
two pounds a week some weeks but not others, vs. sustaining that rate

with
no fluctuation or setbacks.

My original goal was x pounds by such-and-such date based on losing
2lb/week. That just doesn't seem like a realistic way of looking at

the
situation. Maybe my real goal should be to stick with a healthy way of
eating, and gradual weight loss is just one indicator of success.

Thanks,

Mike
fat/still fat/not fat


You have achieved a very respectable rate of weight loss. Most

authorities
recommend losing around 1 lb per week (2 lbs / week is feasible, but
difficult for most folks to maintain over the long term).

1.3 lbs/week of weight loss translates into an average deficit of 650
calories per day. At this rate, you can expect to lose around 68 lbs in

one
year, but don't be in a hurry to lose the weight. You didn't gain it
overnight, and slow and steady weight loss is generally healthier (and

more
likely to be successful).

You don't mention exercise...if you're not doing so, try to incorporate

some
form of physical activity into your program. It will help with weight

loss,
and has many other health benefits.

Finally, congratulations on your success to date, and keep up the good

work!

Gary and Mike, it's been my experience since 1967 that men metabolize a
little differently than women and two pounds a week is indeed a safe
and respectable rate. I believe men should have a higher daily protein
intake than women at least that is a very old WW protocol. Exercis is
great and important but don't be suprised if you build some muscle
which is a different kind of weight. Also fat retains water weight more
than muscle which is more compressed. if you start to exercise but
don't lose at the same rate, don't be discouraged and do continue to
exercise as fitness is as important as weight losss IMO.


I agree that, for men, 2 lbs per week is a safe rate of loss. However, I'm
not so sure that it is feasible to plan on achieving that rate, especially
over a longer time frame. 2 lbs per week (1000 cal/day) requires a level of
dedication to diet that many would find difficult to maintain. With an
agressive diet and exercise program, it can certainly be done, but I suspect
that rate of loss is exceptional for most folks.

I also think the "exercise builds muscle which can cause weight gain because
it weighs more than fat" argument has been overstated. Most obese folks
already have excess musculature in addition to excess fat (the excess
muscles are required to move their fat around). As fat weight is lost, the
body no longer needs some of the muscles that were involved, so muscle mass
is reduced proportionaly. This is natural, and as long as an exercise
program is incorporated, it's not a bad thing. FWIW, I would love to see
some studies done on this...there's so much talk about "preserving muscle
mass", but I've not seen any research on how much muscle mass is normally
lost when an obese person loses large amounts of weight. I suspect it's a
fairly substantial amount, but haven't seen research to confirm my
suspicions.


I'd be curious about this too. In losing virtually half my body
weight, I've no doubt I lost some muscle too, but it's hard to
quantify. I am less strong, but that measure is a bit skewed (at
least upper body strength) because I had a fairly serious shoulder
injury that held back my training quite a bit for much of that time.
I do think I did a lot of the things that are supposed to help
preserve muscle, except that my increased cardio (primarily running)
probably was somewhat detrimental to that purpose.

I'd estimate that on the power lifts I'm lifting about 2/3 as much now
as I was at about twice the body weight. (On the Olympic lifts, I'm
closer to what I could do before, due to improved flexibility and
speed (and just generally improving my form over time). )
Translating this into ratio of muscle loss to fat loss requires that I
know how much muscle I started with, though.

Chris
262/134/(130-140)
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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Old January 26th, 2005, 08:05 AM
janice
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:46:19 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

My original goal was x pounds by such-and-such date based on losing
2lb/week. That just doesn't seem like a realistic way of looking at the
situation. Maybe my real goal should be to stick with a healthy way of
eating, and gradual weight loss is just one indicator of success.


I think you've made a very good point here, Mike, and you've probably
answered your own question. Why not see how the healthy WOE goes for
a few weeks, then evaluate any weight loss and decide whether the WOE
needs tweaking. If you're losing steadily, even if it's less than 2
lbs a week, you may need to just be patient. After all, this is for
ever, and don't forget changing to a healthier WOE has other benefits
for your body besides just losing weight.

janice

  #13  
Old January 26th, 2005, 08:14 AM
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"Chris Braun" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:01:22 -0800, "GaryG"
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , GaryG
wrote:

"Mike Turco" wrote in message
news:IBvJd.1584$1t.297@fed1read06...

I've been "dieting" for four months and have come down from 290 to

265.
That
comes out to about 1.3 lb/week. Considering that there were a

couple
of
small setbacks maybe that's not so bad.

I'm wondering other people experience in terms of average weight

loss.
Specifically, pounds lost divided by weeks of dieting. Its one

thing
to
lose
two pounds a week some weeks but not others, vs. sustaining that

rate
with
no fluctuation or setbacks.

My original goal was x pounds by such-and-such date based on losing
2lb/week. That just doesn't seem like a realistic way of looking at

the
situation. Maybe my real goal should be to stick with a healthy way

of
eating, and gradual weight loss is just one indicator of success.

Thanks,

Mike
fat/still fat/not fat


You have achieved a very respectable rate of weight loss. Most

authorities
recommend losing around 1 lb per week (2 lbs / week is feasible, but
difficult for most folks to maintain over the long term).

1.3 lbs/week of weight loss translates into an average deficit of 650
calories per day. At this rate, you can expect to lose around 68 lbs

in
one
year, but don't be in a hurry to lose the weight. You didn't gain it
overnight, and slow and steady weight loss is generally healthier

(and
more
likely to be successful).

You don't mention exercise...if you're not doing so, try to

incorporate
some
form of physical activity into your program. It will help with weight

loss,
and has many other health benefits.

Finally, congratulations on your success to date, and keep up the

good
work!

Gary and Mike, it's been my experience since 1967 that men metabolize a
little differently than women and two pounds a week is indeed a safe
and respectable rate. I believe men should have a higher daily protein
intake than women at least that is a very old WW protocol. Exercis is
great and important but don't be suprised if you build some muscle
which is a different kind of weight. Also fat retains water weight more
than muscle which is more compressed. if you start to exercise but
don't lose at the same rate, don't be discouraged and do continue to
exercise as fitness is as important as weight losss IMO.


I agree that, for men, 2 lbs per week is a safe rate of loss. However,

I'm
not so sure that it is feasible to plan on achieving that rate,

especially
over a longer time frame. 2 lbs per week (1000 cal/day) requires a level

of
dedication to diet that many would find difficult to maintain. With an
agressive diet and exercise program, it can certainly be done, but I

suspect
that rate of loss is exceptional for most folks.

I also think the "exercise builds muscle which can cause weight gain

because
it weighs more than fat" argument has been overstated. Most obese folks
already have excess musculature in addition to excess fat (the excess
muscles are required to move their fat around). As fat weight is lost,

the
body no longer needs some of the muscles that were involved, so muscle

mass
is reduced proportionaly. This is natural, and as long as an exercise
program is incorporated, it's not a bad thing. FWIW, I would love to see
some studies done on this...there's so much talk about "preserving muscle
mass", but I've not seen any research on how much muscle mass is normally
lost when an obese person loses large amounts of weight. I suspect it's

a
fairly substantial amount, but haven't seen research to confirm my
suspicions.


I'd be curious about this too. In losing virtually half my body
weight, I've no doubt I lost some muscle too, but it's hard to
quantify. I am less strong, but that measure is a bit skewed (at
least upper body strength) because I had a fairly serious shoulder
injury that held back my training quite a bit for much of that time.
I do think I did a lot of the things that are supposed to help
preserve muscle, except that my increased cardio (primarily running)
probably was somewhat detrimental to that purpose.

I'd estimate that on the power lifts I'm lifting about 2/3 as much now
as I was at about twice the body weight. (On the Olympic lifts, I'm
closer to what I could do before, due to improved flexibility and
speed (and just generally improving my form over time). )
Translating this into ratio of muscle loss to fat loss requires that I
know how much muscle I started with, though.


Did you get your body fat measured prior to losing all that weight? From
that you could figure out how much lean body mass you had before, and how
much you have currently.

Alternatively, if have body circumference measurements from before and after
(neck, waist, and hip measurements), you can estimate body fat percentages
using the "Navy" formula, and use that to calculate lean body mass. The
Navy method is build into my WeightWare program, or you can find it online
he http://www.he.net/%7Ezone/prothd2.html .

--
GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary


Chris
262/134/(130-140)
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004



  #14  
Old January 26th, 2005, 03:34 PM
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Mike Turco wrote:

I wasn't ready back then, maybe. I didn't stick with it.


Welcome back, Mike. You're doing just fine and have a great attitude. Just
keep it up. It will work for you!

--
Snowshoeing!!
Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03
  #15  
Old January 26th, 2005, 04:10 PM
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A pound a week of steady weightloss is great progress. It is tempting to
compare to people's reports of 5 pounds in a week, but they don't tell you
when they gain 6 pounds the next week.

Steady progress wins the race. Keep up the good work.


"Mike Turco" wrote in message
news:IBvJd.1584$1t.297@fed1read06...

I've been "dieting" for four months and have come down from 290 to 265.

That
comes out to about 1.3 lb/week. Considering that there were a couple of
small setbacks maybe that's not so bad.

I'm wondering other people experience in terms of average weight loss.
Specifically, pounds lost divided by weeks of dieting. Its one thing to

lose
two pounds a week some weeks but not others, vs. sustaining that rate with
no fluctuation or setbacks.

My original goal was x pounds by such-and-such date based on losing
2lb/week. That just doesn't seem like a realistic way of looking at the
situation. Maybe my real goal should be to stick with a healthy way of
eating, and gradual weight loss is just one indicator of success.

Thanks,

Mike
fat/still fat/not fat





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Old January 26th, 2005, 04:35 PM
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I've been graphing since last September when I started, and my average
has been a steady 8-10 lb a month - not that the week to week loss is
steady since it does hang and then jump down, and then go down slooowly
and then hang.....and then take another leap.

It kinda cheered me up to graph the overall pattern and see a
remarkably straight line emerge from what seemed like random numbers
spattering around. I've tried it out for predicting where I'll be by a
certain date, and its been dead on, and MUCH more accurate than what
the doctor's office thought.

Mary G.

194.6/142.6 as of today.

  #17  
Old January 27th, 2005, 01:28 AM
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0800, "GaryG"
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Did you get your body fat measured prior to losing all that weight? From
that you could figure out how much lean body mass you had before, and how
much you have currently.


I didn't, unfortunately. Nor have I had it measured now. I'm
skeptical of the accuracy of the caliper method for someone who's lost
this much weight, anyway, since I think a lot of it would be measuring
excess skin.

Alternatively, if have body circumference measurements from before and after
(neck, waist, and hip measurements), you can estimate body fat percentages
using the "Navy" formula, and use that to calculate lean body mass. The
Navy method is build into my WeightWare program, or you can find it online
he http://www.he.net/%7Ezone/prothd2.html .


I could maybe guess the before waist and hip measures, but not neck.
That isn't a measurement women usually take :-). The problem is, the
few calculators like this that I've used give wildly different
results, so they don't really have any credibility with me. Maybe
someday I'll have an immersion test, but of course that won't tell me
anything about the before measure.

Anyway, I don't know how exactly the loss of lean tissue translate to
loss of muscle. I suppose it's close, since one isn't losing bone or
anything, but I think there is some downsizing of connective tissue
and such.

Chris
262/134/(130-140)
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
  #18  
Old January 28th, 2005, 07:25 AM
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"Barbara Hirsch" wrote in message

For me more weight came off in the beginning and less weight

later.

Thanks for posting that. I suspect mine is going to look quite
similar, except that I shan't be at my ultimate goal weight for at
least two years, so there will be a few more months.

Barbara
210/124 since November 1997


I'm really impressed at the maintenance.

Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Day 26 of my new WOL
136.8kg/131kg/90kg






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Old January 28th, 2005, 07:30 AM
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"Cubit" wrote in message

A pound a week of steady weightloss is great progress. It is

tempting to
compare to people's reports of 5 pounds in a week, but they don't

tell you
when they gain 6 pounds the next week.


Also, and I'm a newbie here, it is important to bear in mind that
newbies lose a lot of weight initially, posting enthusiastically
while things are going well, and then no longer being around when
things slow down or they fall off the sensible way of living wagon.

Steady progress wins the race. Keep up the good work.


Encouragement to stay with the programme is vital. Thanks.

Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Day 26 of my new WOL
136.8kg/131kg/90kg




  #20  
Old January 28th, 2005, 07:31 AM
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wrote in message

I've been graphing since last September when I started, and my

average
has been a steady 8-10 lb a month - not that the week to week loss

is
steady since it does hang and then jump down, and then go down

slooowly
and then hang.....and then take another leap.


It kinda cheered me up to graph the overall pattern and see a
remarkably straight line emerge from what seemed like random

numbers
spattering around. I've tried it out for predicting where I'll be

by a
certain date, and its been dead on, and MUCH more accurate than

what
the doctor's office thought.


Mary G.
194.6/142.6 as of today.


Fabulous! That's over 50.

Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Day 26 of my new WOL
136.8kg/131kg/90kg




 




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