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  #21  
Old June 6th, 2004, 10:09 PM
JMA
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"Ignoramus25707" wrote in message
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In article , JMA wrote:

"Ignoramus8628" wrote in message
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In article , That T Woman wrote:
This is one of your more stupid posts, Ig. You're scraping the

bottom
of
the barrel to find something positive to say about a 13 year old girl
starving herself to stay stick thin. I wonder what her school work

is
like
the days she only eats the piece of fruit. This is so not what we

should
want a 13 year old to be doing. "If she lives to old age"? What

about
the
*quality* of her life now and in the immediate future?

Well, I merely pointed out one aspect of her anorexic lifestyle that
happens to be beneficial. Surely, one could find many other not so
positive sides of anorexia, and you did a splendid job at that.

Calling a post that brings up an interesting finding regarding cancer
risk of anorexic women, stupid just because it does not pay lip
service to dangers of anorexia (already well known), is not
justifiable.

i


So if that was your 13 year old living on one piece of fruit a day in

order
to stay thin, it would be ok with you because it would reduce the
possibility of cancer at a later age (if she lives long enough)?


No, it would not be okay with me, and I did not say that her dieting
was okay, it was your faulty inference.


I find your pro-ana attitude extremely disturbing and I'm actually

stunned
that someone who claims to be such an intelligent adult can be so

completely
obtuse about this one subject. Anorexia has a high mortality rate, the
highest rate of any psychiatric disorder and probably higher than some

forms
of breast cancer these days.


Doubtless, it is a dangeour affliction, as I said before.


Yet you feel the need to somehow point out "beneficial" aspects of it as if
that's an actual benefit.

Sorry if I'm just paying lip service to the
truth. I'm not referring to your adult friends who maintain a calorie
restricted WOE because they think it's going to help them live longer.

I'm
talking about teenagers who are terrified to eat because they think that
their emaciated bodies are unattractively fat and who will literally

starve
themselves to death as a result. So much for increasing life expectancy,
huh?


Well, you are making unjustified inferences.

i


Unjustified only because I disagree with you. You tried to point out that
there may actually be some type of benefit to having a serious, potentially
fatal disorder based on one study. All I did was counter that with the fact
that even IF being anorexic reduces your chance of getting breast cancer,
the chance of death from the anorexia itself is relatively high thus
negating any alleged benefit. I even went so far as to counter an argument
you made in the past defending anorexia as an acceptable WOL since you
haven't yet demonstrated that you understand the difference between anorexia
nervosa the disease and the colloquial use of the term anorexia.

You said that "one could find many other not so positive sides of anorexia"
and yet we're not supposed to infer that you think there *IS* a positive
side to having anorexia???? I didn't pull this one out of thin air either -
these are your own words. I'm perfectly justified in believing that it's a
disturbed way of thinking based on my personal experience with anorexics and
knowledge about the disease.

I'm not going to argue this one anymore since I made my point and all you
want to do is complain about how unfair we're being toward you.

jma
another one for the vault


  #22  
Old June 6th, 2004, 11:56 PM
JMA
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"GaryG" wrote in message
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"OceanView" wrote in message
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Carol Frilegh wrote in
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Young, skinny and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take
the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about
weight

snipped

In spite of the anorexia debate, I can tell you that the disease
is not restricted to girls.

I went from 6'0 225 at 14 to 6'2" 160 at 17 and still saw
myself as fat. I'd had a lifetime of extremes and I consider it
all the same disease: low self-esteem. (Side note: John Lennon
became anorexic after reading that he'd gotten a nickname as
"the fat Beatle.")


Are you saying you were anorexic during that period? The numbers don't

seem
to support that. Losing 65 lbs over the course of 3 years would require a
daily deficit of around 210 calories per day - a very reasonable and

healthy
rate of weight loss. A 6'2" 160 lb 17 year old male has a Body Mass Index
of 20.5 (in the Normal Range), and is in the 38th weight percentile based

on
US averages. So, you were on the low side of normal, but still well above
the "Underweight" category.

The CDC definition of "Underweight" for adolescents is " 5th percentile"
for Body Mass Index. For a 17-year old male, that would require a BMI17.6
(137 lbs at your height). Based on this definition, at 160 lbs, you were
still 23 lbs above "Underweight".

Perhaps it's one of those "good news/bad news" scenarios...while it's true
that you may have suffered from low self-esteem and had an obsession with
food during that time, it seems unlikely that you were truly anorexic.


In order for a person to be "truly" anorexic the BMI needs to be 18 AND
they have to be overly concerned with weight, body appearance, or be
extremely fearful of being fat or gaining weight.


  #23  
Old June 7th, 2004, 12:16 AM
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In article , OceanView
wrote:

Carol Frilegh wrote in
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In article , Steve
wrote:

Carol Frilegh wrote:
Young, skinny ã and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take
the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned
about weight

snip

A decade ago this article would have inspired outrage, but
that was before obese toddlers and teen agers with type II
diabetes.

Steve


Once there was a little girl named Alice who fell down the
rabbit hole and confronted with a door she couldn't get
through nibbled one side of a mushroom and got too tall,
then ate from the other side and became too small.

Moral of the story: be moderate and realistic or eat
zucchini instead of mushrooms!


You forgot: Watch where you step!


Especially in Paris. It's loaded with dog ****.

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  #24  
Old June 7th, 2004, 03:12 AM
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"Ignoramus25707" wrote in message
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of course reducing risk of breast cancer is a real benefit, unless you
think that breast cancer is a good thing. Surely, for those who have
not heard it enough times, I must say, that there are also bad
consequences from "anorexia"!!!


It is also a scientifically interesting finding, that I wanted to
share.



You said that "one could find many other not so positive sides of

anorexia"
and yet we're not supposed to infer that you think there *IS* a positive
side to having anorexia????


Do you want to get breast cancer? If not, surely you will appreciate
lowering its chances, all other things being equal.

i


Crack kills. You need to put down the pipe now.



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Old June 7th, 2004, 03:57 AM
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The simple, horrible truth about anorexia is, if they do
not stop the behavior, they will die. It will kill them.
And, if they do stop, they still risk suffering from
osteoporosis in old age. Anorexia is growing is some parts
of the population. It's growing in younger girls and in
young gay males.

It's a dreadful addiction that is spurned on by our modern
media.

Martha




Not to mention the stress created by our double standards like
low-rider pants and fast-food on every corner.


I had that growing up. My mom would say "finish your plate" and then in the
next sentence, "why do you eat so much, the boys will never like you if
you're too fat."

No wonder I developed an eating disorder.....

Martha


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Old June 7th, 2004, 03:58 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars
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JMA wrote:

"Ignoramus25707" wrote:

Do you want to get breast cancer? If not, surely you will appreciate
lowering its chances, all other things being equal.


Crack kills. You need to put down the pipe now.


hee!

it's true, ig. give it up. you have no argument here.
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Old June 7th, 2004, 04:38 AM
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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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JMA wrote:

"Ignoramus25707" wrote:

Do you want to get breast cancer? If not, surely you will appreciate
lowering its chances, all other things being equal.


Crack kills. You need to put down the pipe now.


hee!

it's true, ig. give it up. you have no argument here.


Isn't it fascinating how, in his desire to make every thread about him, he
will never stop, even when it makes him look like a complete ninny? : )

Martha


  #28  
Old June 7th, 2004, 09:45 AM
Carol Frilegh
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In article ,
MH wrote:

(snipped)

The simple, horrible truth about anorexia is, if they do
not stop the behavior, they will die. It will kill them.
And, if they do stop, they still risk suffering from
osteoporosis in old age. Anorexia is growing is some parts
of the population. It's growing in younger girls and in
young gay males.

It's a dreadful addiction that is spurned on by our modern
media.

Martha




Not to mention the stress created by our double standards like
low-rider pants and fast-food on every corner.


I had that growing up. My mom would say "finish your plate"


I used to stop at the part that says "Ainsley, pure bone china" :-)

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Old June 7th, 2004, 01:34 PM
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"JMA" wrote in message
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In order for a person to be "truly" anorexic the BMI needs to be 18 AND
they have to be overly concerned with weight, body appearance, or be
extremely fearful of being fat or gaining weight.


Is this true?

I'm not trying to correct you, I'm just curious. If someone
exhibited anorexic behavior - only ate, I don't know, an apple and a
cracker a day and worked out like a demon - but weighed 200 pounds
(They would, of course, probably not stay 200 for long, I realize)...
are they not an anorexic because their BMI is too high?

megan
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Old June 7th, 2004, 02:07 PM
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On 6/6/2004 12:38 AM, Ignoramus8628 wrote:

Calling a post that brings up an interesting finding regarding cancer
risk of anorexic women, stupid just because it does not pay lip
service to dangers of anorexia (already well known), is not
justifiable.


Of course it's justifiable! Besides, your post really *is* scraping the
bottom of the barrel and isn't even consistent with your previous posts
regarding individuals with low BMIs.

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