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Old January 17th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Tabi Kasanari
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January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS

After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the Atkins
diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red meat
and saturated fat they eat.

Responding to years of criticism from scientists that the Atkins version of
a low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen might lead to heart disease and other
health problems, the director of research and education for Atkins
Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals in seminars
around the country that only 20 percent of a dieter's calories should come
from saturated fat. Atkins Nutritionals was set up by Dr. Robert C. Atkins
to sell Atkins products and promote the diet.

An Atkins spokesman said Ms. Heimowitz has been giving these seminars for
five years, but that they do not represent a departure from the original
premise of the diet.

Atkins representatives say that Dr. Atkins, who died last year, always
maintained that people should eat other food besides red meat, but had
difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in expressing
how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.

But officials have not made the revision clear to consumers, and Atkins is
widely known as the diet that lets you eat all the meat you want.

Dr. Atkins did more than anyone else to popularize the idea that dieters
could eat fat and lose weight. As millions followed his advice, sales of red
meat soared and steakhouses grew in popularity. His book "Dr. Atkins' New
Diet Revolution" has sold 15 million copies. Atkins Nutritionals reported
$100 million in revenues for 2002.

The change comes as Atkins faces competition from other popular
low-carbohydrate diets that call for less saturated fat. A book on one such
plan, the South Beach Diet, came out in April 2003 and has sold more than
five million copies. Atkins representatives made the revision, Ms. Heimowitz
said, because "we want physicians to feel comfortable with this diet, and we
want people who are going to their physicians with this diet to feel
comfortable."

The Atkins regimen remains a high-fat diet. But Atkins officials are
specifying the amount that should be saturated ? the kind that comes from
meat, cheese and butter ? and the amount that should be unsaturated ? the
kind that comes from most vegetable oils and fish. The revision places more
emphasis on fish and chicken.

Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
here's the program that is counterintuitive," he said. " `You can eat a lot
of bacon and steak.' It was the marketing of the book. The media saw it as a
sexy story."

"Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
agree with that."

So why not tell people straight out that you can't eat all the steak and
eggs you want, Mr. Wolff was asked.

"Interesting question," he said as he hung up to catch a plane.

The clarification came as a surprise to Atkins dieters who were interviewed.
"A lot of people will be totally shocked," said Ellen Bain, a graphic
designer in Brooklyn. The message she said she had taken away from reading
Atkins books and Web sites was: "The fat in the diet is very good for you;
it doesn't make any difference what kind of fat it is. There are no limits
of any kind in the meat department, like steak and eggs for breakfast, a
burger for lunch and beef stir-fry for dinner."

Ms. Bain, who said she has lost 48 pounds on the Atkins diet since July 1,
said, "Is it possible that now they are revising their thinking?"

Beef, pork, lamb and butter were on the list of "foods you may eat
liberally" in "The New Diet Revolution," first published in 1992; its update
is No. 1 on the New York Times advice, how-to and miscellaneous paperback
best-seller list.

"Atkins for Life," the newest book written by Dr. Atkins and published a few
months before his death last year, says: "You should always eat a balance of
different types of natural fat." The precise proportion of saturated and
unsaturated fat was unspecified, Ms. Heimowitz said, because "trying to tell
consumers to do math is futile."

Russ Klein, a marketing executive, who has been on Atkins since Dec. 21,
interpreted the phrase "foods you may eat liberally" to mean "eat until you
are full." And, he added, "I think it's probably true you can eat all the
red meat you want."

Ms. Heimowitz said people read the phrase "eat liberally" as a license to
gorge on red meat. "Not making a distinction between one kind of protein and
another, that was a mistake," Ms. Heimowitz, "and that is why we had to
write another book, to get the story straight."

But, she added, "Even in the old book it says `eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.' "

Total fat in the revised Atkins diet remains much higher than other diets
recommend: 60 percent of the calories are still derived from fat, twice the
level recommended by the Agriculture Department. Of that, one-third can be
saturated fat ? also twice the level recommended by the department. The rest
should be poly- and mono-unsaturated fats.

That means that a person who eats 1,500 calories a day could eat a 17-ounce
strip steak every day, according to Mindy Hermann, a registered dietitian.
After the diet's first phase, the amount of fat allowed drops to 55 percent,
but the percentage of saturated fat stays the same.

Dr. Atkins said that carbohydrates caused obesity and eating fat helped
regulate levels of insulin, which helps produce body fat. Ms. Heimowitz
said, "Saturated fat isn't as much of an issue when carbohydrates are
controlled; it's only dangerous in excess when carbs are high."

But Dr. Frank M. Sacks, a professor of cardiovascular disease prevention at
the Harvard School of Public Health, scoffed at those scientific claims.
"What they are saying is ridiculous," he said. The revision, he added, " has
nothing to do with science; it has to do with public relations and
politics."

The medical establishment largely disputes Dr. Atkins's reasoning and says
that high levels of saturated fats are dangerous.

Dr. George L. Blackburn, associate director in the division of nutrition at
Harvard Medical School, said the diet's new version is "definitely
healthier," but that "all of the studies we have on Atkins are based on the
Atkins of the 1970's: eat all you can as long as you keep carbs out."



Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

--
Tabi Kasanari
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Old January 17th, 2004, 11:14 PM
placidbull
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hmmm ....

my total average fat intake is 59% ... my saturated is 19% ... poly is 14%
.... mono is 26% ... I didn't try to control the percentages of fat ... that
is just the way it works out by eating steak, eggs, mayonnaise, et al.

so for having 59% of my calories coming from fat I would say that the diet
works very well since my ldl hdl and triglicerie ratios have improved a
whopping 67%, I have been able to stop taking cholesteral medication and
blood pressure medications ...

any food scientists that would contradict the low-carb diet ... I would
guess are speaking from opinions, not from facts ... the low-carb diet
definitely works ... for me !!

Placid
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"Tabi Kasanari" wrote in message
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January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS

After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the

Atkins
diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red meat
and saturated fat they eat.

Responding to years of criticism from scientists that the Atkins version

of
a low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen might lead to heart disease and other
health problems, the director of research and education for Atkins
Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals in

seminars
around the country that only 20 percent of a dieter's calories should come
from saturated fat. Atkins Nutritionals was set up by Dr. Robert C. Atkins
to sell Atkins products and promote the diet.

An Atkins spokesman said Ms. Heimowitz has been giving these seminars for
five years, but that they do not represent a departure from the original
premise of the diet.

Atkins representatives say that Dr. Atkins, who died last year, always
maintained that people should eat other food besides red meat, but had
difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in

expressing
how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.

But officials have not made the revision clear to consumers, and Atkins is
widely known as the diet that lets you eat all the meat you want.

Dr. Atkins did more than anyone else to popularize the idea that dieters
could eat fat and lose weight. As millions followed his advice, sales of

red
meat soared and steakhouses grew in popularity. His book "Dr. Atkins' New
Diet Revolution" has sold 15 million copies. Atkins Nutritionals reported
$100 million in revenues for 2002.

The change comes as Atkins faces competition from other popular
low-carbohydrate diets that call for less saturated fat. A book on one

such
plan, the South Beach Diet, came out in April 2003 and has sold more than
five million copies. Atkins representatives made the revision, Ms.

Heimowitz
said, because "we want physicians to feel comfortable with this diet, and

we
want people who are going to their physicians with this diet to feel
comfortable."

The Atkins regimen remains a high-fat diet. But Atkins officials are
specifying the amount that should be saturated ? the kind that comes from
meat, cheese and butter ? and the amount that should be unsaturated ? the
kind that comes from most vegetable oils and fish. The revision places

more
emphasis on fish and chicken.

Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
here's the program that is counterintuitive," he said. " `You can eat a

lot
of bacon and steak.' It was the marketing of the book. The media saw it as

a
sexy story."

"Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We

would
agree with that."

So why not tell people straight out that you can't eat all the steak and
eggs you want, Mr. Wolff was asked.

"Interesting question," he said as he hung up to catch a plane.

The clarification came as a surprise to Atkins dieters who were

interviewed.
"A lot of people will be totally shocked," said Ellen Bain, a graphic
designer in Brooklyn. The message she said she had taken away from reading
Atkins books and Web sites was: "The fat in the diet is very good for you;
it doesn't make any difference what kind of fat it is. There are no limits
of any kind in the meat department, like steak and eggs for breakfast, a
burger for lunch and beef stir-fry for dinner."

Ms. Bain, who said she has lost 48 pounds on the Atkins diet since July 1,
said, "Is it possible that now they are revising their thinking?"

Beef, pork, lamb and butter were on the list of "foods you may eat
liberally" in "The New Diet Revolution," first published in 1992; its

update
is No. 1 on the New York Times advice, how-to and miscellaneous paperback
best-seller list.

"Atkins for Life," the newest book written by Dr. Atkins and published a

few
months before his death last year, says: "You should always eat a balance

of
different types of natural fat." The precise proportion of saturated and
unsaturated fat was unspecified, Ms. Heimowitz said, because "trying to

tell
consumers to do math is futile."

Russ Klein, a marketing executive, who has been on Atkins since Dec. 21,
interpreted the phrase "foods you may eat liberally" to mean "eat until

you
are full." And, he added, "I think it's probably true you can eat all the
red meat you want."

Ms. Heimowitz said people read the phrase "eat liberally" as a license to
gorge on red meat. "Not making a distinction between one kind of protein

and
another, that was a mistake," Ms. Heimowitz, "and that is why we had to
write another book, to get the story straight."

But, she added, "Even in the old book it says `eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.' "

Total fat in the revised Atkins diet remains much higher than other diets
recommend: 60 percent of the calories are still derived from fat, twice

the
level recommended by the Agriculture Department. Of that, one-third can be
saturated fat ? also twice the level recommended by the department. The

rest
should be poly- and mono-unsaturated fats.

That means that a person who eats 1,500 calories a day could eat a

17-ounce
strip steak every day, according to Mindy Hermann, a registered dietitian.
After the diet's first phase, the amount of fat allowed drops to 55

percent,
but the percentage of saturated fat stays the same.

Dr. Atkins said that carbohydrates caused obesity and eating fat helped
regulate levels of insulin, which helps produce body fat. Ms. Heimowitz
said, "Saturated fat isn't as much of an issue when carbohydrates are
controlled; it's only dangerous in excess when carbs are high."

But Dr. Frank M. Sacks, a professor of cardiovascular disease prevention

at
the Harvard School of Public Health, scoffed at those scientific claims.
"What they are saying is ridiculous," he said. The revision, he added, "

has
nothing to do with science; it has to do with public relations and
politics."

The medical establishment largely disputes Dr. Atkins's reasoning and says
that high levels of saturated fats are dangerous.

Dr. George L. Blackburn, associate director in the division of nutrition

at
Harvard Medical School, said the diet's new version is "definitely
healthier," but that "all of the studies we have on Atkins are based on

the
Atkins of the 1970's: eat all you can as long as you keep carbs out."



Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

--
Tabi Kasanari



  #3  
Old January 17th, 2004, 11:50 PM
Jean B.
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Default Atkins Group says easy on the sat fat

Tabi Kasanari wrote:

January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS

After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the Atkins
diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red meat
and saturated fat they eat.

Responding to years of criticism from scientists that the Atkins version of
a low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen might lead to heart disease and other
health problems, the director of research and education for Atkins
Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals in seminars
around the country that only 20 percent of a dieter's calories should come
from saturated fat. Atkins Nutritionals was set up by Dr. Robert C. Atkins
to sell Atkins products and promote the diet.

An Atkins spokesman said Ms. Heimowitz has been giving these seminars for
five years, but that they do not represent a departure from the original
premise of the diet.

Atkins representatives say that Dr. Atkins, who died last year, always
maintained that people should eat other food besides red meat, but had
difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in expressing
how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.

But officials have not made the revision clear to consumers, and Atkins is
widely known as the diet that lets you eat all the meat you want.

Dr. Atkins did more than anyone else to popularize the idea that dieters
could eat fat and lose weight. As millions followed his advice, sales of red
meat soared and steakhouses grew in popularity. His book "Dr. Atkins' New
Diet Revolution" has sold 15 million copies. Atkins Nutritionals reported
$100 million in revenues for 2002.

The change comes as Atkins faces competition from other popular
low-carbohydrate diets that call for less saturated fat. A book on one such
plan, the South Beach Diet, came out in April 2003 and has sold more than
five million copies. Atkins representatives made the revision, Ms. Heimowitz
said, because "we want physicians to feel comfortable with this diet, and we
want people who are going to their physicians with this diet to feel
comfortable."

The Atkins regimen remains a high-fat diet. But Atkins officials are
specifying the amount that should be saturated ? the kind that comes from
meat, cheese and butter ? and the amount that should be unsaturated ? the
kind that comes from most vegetable oils and fish. The revision places more
emphasis on fish and chicken.

Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
here's the program that is counterintuitive," he said. " `You can eat a lot
of bacon and steak.' It was the marketing of the book. The media saw it as a
sexy story."

"Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
agree with that."

So why not tell people straight out that you can't eat all the steak and
eggs you want, Mr. Wolff was asked.

"Interesting question," he said as he hung up to catch a plane.

The clarification came as a surprise to Atkins dieters who were interviewed.
"A lot of people will be totally shocked," said Ellen Bain, a graphic
designer in Brooklyn. The message she said she had taken away from reading
Atkins books and Web sites was: "The fat in the diet is very good for you;
it doesn't make any difference what kind of fat it is. There are no limits
of any kind in the meat department, like steak and eggs for breakfast, a
burger for lunch and beef stir-fry for dinner."

Ms. Bain, who said she has lost 48 pounds on the Atkins diet since July 1,
said, "Is it possible that now they are revising their thinking?"

Beef, pork, lamb and butter were on the list of "foods you may eat
liberally" in "The New Diet Revolution," first published in 1992; its update
is No. 1 on the New York Times advice, how-to and miscellaneous paperback
best-seller list.

"Atkins for Life," the newest book written by Dr. Atkins and published a few
months before his death last year, says: "You should always eat a balance of
different types of natural fat." The precise proportion of saturated and
unsaturated fat was unspecified, Ms. Heimowitz said, because "trying to tell
consumers to do math is futile."

Russ Klein, a marketing executive, who has been on Atkins since Dec. 21,
interpreted the phrase "foods you may eat liberally" to mean "eat until you
are full." And, he added, "I think it's probably true you can eat all the
red meat you want."

Ms. Heimowitz said people read the phrase "eat liberally" as a license to
gorge on red meat. "Not making a distinction between one kind of protein and
another, that was a mistake," Ms. Heimowitz, "and that is why we had to
write another book, to get the story straight."

But, she added, "Even in the old book it says `eat until you are satisfied
but not stuffed.' "

Total fat in the revised Atkins diet remains much higher than other diets
recommend: 60 percent of the calories are still derived from fat, twice the
level recommended by the Agriculture Department. Of that, one-third can be
saturated fat ? also twice the level recommended by the department. The rest
should be poly- and mono-unsaturated fats.

That means that a person who eats 1,500 calories a day could eat a 17-ounce
strip steak every day, according to Mindy Hermann, a registered dietitian.
After the diet's first phase, the amount of fat allowed drops to 55 percent,
but the percentage of saturated fat stays the same.

Dr. Atkins said that carbohydrates caused obesity and eating fat helped
regulate levels of insulin, which helps produce body fat. Ms. Heimowitz
said, "Saturated fat isn't as much of an issue when carbohydrates are
controlled; it's only dangerous in excess when carbs are high."

But Dr. Frank M. Sacks, a professor of cardiovascular disease prevention at
the Harvard School of Public Health, scoffed at those scientific claims.
"What they are saying is ridiculous," he said. The revision, he added, " has
nothing to do with science; it has to do with public relations and
politics."

The medical establishment largely disputes Dr. Atkins's reasoning and says
that high levels of saturated fats are dangerous.

Dr. George L. Blackburn, associate director in the division of nutrition at
Harvard Medical School, said the diet's new version is "definitely
healthier," but that "all of the studies we have on Atkins are based on the
Atkins of the 1970's: eat all you can as long as you keep carbs out."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

--
Tabi Kasanari


Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead? He had plenty of
time to make things perfectly clear.
--
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Old January 18th, 2004, 01:25 AM
Steven C \(Doktersteve\)
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"Jean B." wrote in message ...
Tabi Kasanari wrote:

January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS


SNIP


Why is this coming out after Atkins is dead? He had plenty of
time to make things perfectly clear.
--
Jean B.


Hi Jean,

This isn't related to the topic, but I was just thinking that in the future,
if you could please cut out a little of the original post on long threads
like this, it would be great.

Thanks.


  #6  
Old January 18th, 2004, 01:46 AM
Jean B.
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"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote:

Hi Jean,

This isn't related to the topic, but I was just thinking that in the future,
if you could please cut out a little of the original post on long threads
like this, it would be great.

Thanks.


Oh, I usually do (as in this post). I left the article in
deliberately, because sometimes people don't see the original
post, and that didn't lend itself to cutting. Also, my comment
pertained to the whole thing.
--
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Old January 18th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Doug Freese
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Tabi Kasanari wrote:


Paul D. Wolff, chief executive of Atkins Nutritionals, said the company is
trying to get its message out clearly. "The way the book was promoted was,
here's the program that is counterintuitive," he said. " `You can eat a lot
of bacon and steak.' It was the marketing of the book. The media saw it as a
sexy story."

"Perhaps what was communicated in the past was unclear," he said. "We would
agree with that."


What a bull **** cop-out. They are now going try to convince the
world that eating 6 bacon cheese burgers(without the roll) a day may
not be healthy. What a startling conclusion. Somehow they couldn't
find the words to convey moderation? "The check is in mail" or
better said the check is NOT in the mail from the book and ancillary
other stuff they $$hawk$$. And we bad mouth Enron, cigarette
companies, etc. for being devious.



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Old January 18th, 2004, 01:33 PM
Tim Tyler
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In sci.med.nutrition Jean B. wrote or quoted:
"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote:


This isn't related to the topic, but I was just thinking that in the future,
if you could please cut out a little of the original post on long threads
like this, it would be great.


Oh, I usually do (as in this post). I left the article in
deliberately, because sometimes people don't see the original
post, and that didn't lend itself to cutting. Also, my comment
pertained to the whole thing.


If you think the resulting effect is remotely desirable for readers,
then it seems as though you need reeducating rather than reminding.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 04:14 PM
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"Tabi Kasanari" wrote in message .. .
January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS

After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the Atkins
diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red meat
and saturated fat they eat.

Responding to years of criticism from scientists that the Atkins version of
a low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen might lead to heart disease and other
health problems, the director of research and education for Atkins
Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals in seminars
around the country that only 20 percent of a dieter's calories should come
from saturated fat. Atkins Nutritionals was set up by Dr. Robert C. Atkins
to sell Atkins products and promote the diet.

An Atkins spokesman said Ms. Heimowitz has been giving these seminars for
five years, but that they do not represent a departure from the original
premise of the diet.

Atkins representatives say that Dr. Atkins, who died last year, always
maintained that people should eat other food besides red meat, but had
difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in expressing
how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.


It's kinda like the "Not for internal use" warnings on the shampoo
bottles. It doesn't matter how you package it, there will always be
some yahoo that interprets things in an idiotic manner.

I recall reading one post where a person had a friend advise her to
eat three pounds of bacon in one meal. This was his interpretation of
a "high-protein" diet.

If people used their heads and actually read the book and undestood
it, they wouldn't have to issue clarifications like this.

TC
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Old January 19th, 2004, 05:53 PM
John
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Default Atkins Group says easy on the sat fat

Dr. Atkins himself in his original book is the one who gave an example of a
man who ate five pounds of red meat a day and lost weight.

"tcomeau" wrote in message
om...
"Tabi Kasanari" wrote in message

.. .
January 18, 2004
Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters
By MARIAN BURROS

After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal
amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the

Atkins
diet now say that people on their plan should limit the amount of red

meat
and saturated fat they eat.

Responding to years of criticism from scientists that the Atkins version

of
a low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen might lead to heart disease and

other
health problems, the director of research and education for Atkins
Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals in

seminars
around the country that only 20 percent of a dieter's calories should

come
from saturated fat. Atkins Nutritionals was set up by Dr. Robert C.

Atkins
to sell Atkins products and promote the diet.

An Atkins spokesman said Ms. Heimowitz has been giving these seminars

for
five years, but that they do not represent a departure from the original
premise of the diet.

Atkins representatives say that Dr. Atkins, who died last year, always
maintained that people should eat other food besides red meat, but had
difficulty getting that message out. There has been a revision in

expressing
how the diet should be followed, not in the diet itself, they say.


It's kinda like the "Not for internal use" warnings on the shampoo
bottles. It doesn't matter how you package it, there will always be
some yahoo that interprets things in an idiotic manner.

I recall reading one post where a person had a friend advise her to
eat three pounds of bacon in one meal. This was his interpretation of
a "high-protein" diet.

If people used their heads and actually read the book and undestood
it, they wouldn't have to issue clarifications like this.

TC



 




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