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Old September 21st, 2011, 05:43 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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William Davis, a preventive cardiologist who practises in Milwaukee,
Wis., argues in his new book Wheat Belly that wheat is bad for your
health—so bad that it should carry a surgeon general’s warning.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...ke-you-skinny/

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Old September 21st, 2011, 08:14 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Dogman wrote:

William Davis, a preventive cardiologist who practises in Milwaukee,
Wis., argues in his new book Wheat Belly that wheat is bad for your
health—so bad that it should carry a surgeon general’s warning.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...is-so-addictiv
e-and-how-shunning-it-will-make-you-skinny/


It so happens that a low carb diet has little or no room for wheat,
anyway.

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Old September 22nd, 2011, 12:25 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Billy[_4_]
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In article ,
Walter Bushell wrote:

In article ,
Dogman wrote:

William Davis, a preventive cardiologist who practises in Milwaukee,
Wis., argues in his new book Wheat Belly that wheat is bad for your
health—so bad that it should carry a surgeon general’s warning.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...t-is-so-addict
iv
e-and-how-shunning-it-will-make-you-skinny/


It so happens that a low carb diet has little or no room for wheat,
anyway.


What room there is should be occupied by whole grains, not highly
refined grains.
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Old September 22nd, 2011, 04:57 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 2011-09-21 18:25, Billy wrote:
In ,
Walter wrote:

In ,
wrote:

William Davis, a preventive cardiologist who practises in Milwaukee,
Wis., argues in his new book Wheat Belly that wheat is bad for your
health—so bad that it should carry a surgeon general’s warning.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...t-is-so-addict
iv
e-and-how-shunning-it-will-make-you-skinny/


It so happens that a low carb diet has little or no room for wheat,
anyway.


What room there is should be occupied by whole grains, not highly
refined grains.



One of the comments of Dr. Davis is that the glycemic index of whole
wheat bread is a few points higher than that of white bread. Suggests
that "Whole Grain" is not automatically healthy.

Another one of his points is that the glycemic index of sugar is less
than either white bread or whole grain bread.

His patient responses led him to do the literature research on wheat
which led to his book. Of course he gives example case histories, as
most "diet" books customarily do, but the history of wheat illnesses,
including those derived from gluten and other proteins, are the primary
reasons to consider reading the book.

I had a recent diabetes scare when a single fasting blood glucose came
in at 135. I bought a meter and supplies and began home testing. The
book came out and I read it and adopted the wheat free notion.
Previously my fasting glucose numbers were "prediabetic" between 100 and
120 mg/dL.

My readings fell with time, and now over half of the readings are in the
80's and 90's. Going down into the "healthy" range. The next lab blood
test is next week, and that will hopefully calibrate the home glucose
meter somewhat.

I no longer have the "cookie" or sugar urges. It is too easy, now, to
skip meals if I am doing something interesting.

Is this real or placebo? Who cares, I like the current status.
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Old September 22nd, 2011, 06:39 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Jim wrote:

His patient responses led him to do the literature research on wheat
which led to his book. Of course he gives example case histories, as
most "diet" books customarily do, but the history of wheat illnesses,
including those derived from gluten and other proteins, are the primary
reasons to consider reading the book.

I had a recent diabetes scare when a single fasting blood glucose came
in at 135. I bought a meter and supplies and began home testing. The
book came out and I read it and adopted the wheat free notion.
Previously my fasting glucose numbers were "prediabetic" between 100 and
120 mg/dL.

My readings fell with time, and now over half of the readings are in the
80's and 90's. Going down into the "healthy" range. The next lab blood
test is next week, and that will hopefully calibrate the home glucose
meter somewhat.

I no longer have the "cookie" or sugar urges. It is too easy, now, to
skip meals if I am doing something interesting.

Is this real or placebo? Who cares, I like the current status.


Being wheat intolerant myself I am biased against eating wheat. That
said I think the current wheat scare is mostly a veiled push for low
carbing in general. Blaming wheat gets people to eat less carbs and
most people do better with less carbs.

The number of people who are wheat intolerant or gluten intolerant is
only a few percent of the population. Enough that it's vastly more than
the ones who know they have the issue. A percentage that is far too
small to tell people blindly to avoid wheat.

My view is the current push against wheat gets a lot of people to lower
their carb intake. That helps a very large minority of the population.
Among them is a small percentage who benefit from actually removing
wheat rather than just from reducing carbs.

It's not a bad approach but it misses the point that what is happening
in most cases is lower total carb intake and lower glycemic load. Pick
any high glycemic load food that's a sizable percentage of the typical
diet. Convince people to not have that. The result is good because the
typical diet is so high in carbs it's a problem. Convincing people to
drop sodas would generally have the same result.

Simple minded, effective, beneificial, but based on an idea that points
in the wrong direction.

One really good lesson - Glycemic load matters. Talk of "simple versus
complex carbs" has little to do with actually measuring glycemic load.
Very carby foods aren't beneficial in a culture that has already pushed
many of us to the point our bodies treat very carby foods as problems.
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Old September 22nd, 2011, 08:23 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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But I think his most important point is that the wheat we get now is not the
wheat of our ancestors, in fact, not even the wheat of 50 years ago.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
|
| Being wheat intolerant myself I am biased against eating wheat. That
| said I think the current wheat scare is mostly a veiled push for low
| carbing in general. Blaming wheat gets people to eat less carbs and
| most people do better with less carbs.
|
| The number of people who are wheat intolerant or gluten intolerant is
| only a few percent of the population. Enough that it's vastly more
| than the ones who know they have the issue. A percentage that is far
| too small to tell people blindly to avoid wheat.
|
| My view is the current push against wheat gets a lot of people to
| lower their carb intake. That helps a very large minority of the
| population. Among them is a small percentage who benefit from
| actually removing wheat rather than just from reducing carbs.
|
| It's not a bad approach but it misses the point that what is happening
| in most cases is lower total carb intake and lower glycemic load.
| Pick any high glycemic load food that's a sizable percentage of the
| typical diet. Convince people to not have that. The result is good
| because the typical diet is so high in carbs it's a problem.
| Convincing people to drop sodas would generally have the same result.
|
| Simple minded, effective, beneificial, but based on an idea that
| points in the wrong direction.
|
| One really good lesson - Glycemic load matters. Talk of "simple
| versus complex carbs" has little to do with actually measuring
| glycemic load. Very carby foods aren't beneficial in a culture that
| has already pushed many of us to the point our bodies treat very
| carby foods as problems.

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Old September 22nd, 2011, 10:06 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:57:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

[..]
One of the comments of Dr. Davis is that the glycemic index of whole
wheat bread is a few points higher than that of white bread. Suggests
that "Whole Grain" is not automatically healthy.

Another one of his points is that the glycemic index of sugar is less
than either white bread or whole grain bread.


A phenomemon that can eassily be tested on oneself.

n=1.

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Old September 21st, 2011, 08:30 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Dogman wrote:

William Davis, a preventive cardiologist who practises in Milwaukee,
Wis., argues in his new book Wheat Belly that wheat is bad for your
health—so bad that it should carry a surgeon general’s warning.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...ke-you-skinny/


Interesting that he mentions einkorn. I only know about that species of
grain because it was found in the stomach contents of "Otsi the Iceman"
the ancient frozen mummy that was discovered in the Apls in the 1990s.

Einkorn is now obscure but was actively cultivated millennia ago. It's
a gluten bearing grain but the gluten is different enough that it might
not be harmful to wheat intolerant folks. I've tried spelt and kamut
and those trigger symptoms in me. I've tried rye, barley and oats and
those do not trigger symptoms in me. Everyone who has intolerance
reactions can expect to get different results when doing personal
experimentation.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 04:22 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Sep 21, 12:30*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Dogman wrote:

William Davis, a preventive cardiologist who practises in Milwaukee,
Wis., argues in his new book Wheat Belly that wheat is bad for your
health—so bad that it should carry a surgeon general’s warning.


http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...t-why-it-is-so...


Interesting that he mentions einkorn. *I only know about that species of
grain because it was found in the stomach contents of "Otsi the Iceman"
the ancient frozen mummy that was discovered in the Apls in the 1990s.

Einkorn is now obscure but was actively cultivated millennia ago. *It's
a gluten bearing grain but the gluten is different enough that it might
not be harmful to wheat intolerant folks. *I've tried spelt and kamut
and those trigger symptoms in me. *I've tried rye, barley and oats and
those do not trigger symptoms in me. *Everyone who has intolerance
reactions can expect to get different results when doing personal
experimentation.


Personally I can eat them all without intolerance. But I get fat
and they spike the blood glucose and that includes all rices
white and whole grain, millet, etc.

Grains are animal food around my house. And even for
the animals, I've been using more legumes. Which is
something I need to do more research to get a handle
as to whether this is a move towards a better diet.
Understand my intake is rather limited.

For the celiac folk, gluten often has ruined their health by
the time the Docs get a bead on their patients problem.
Better to know when one is a little kid than when one
is 20 or 25 or 40 years of age. It does make wonder how
early it can be found?

This can run in families so if you have a cousin or sib with
ailment watch out.
 




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