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Old April 7th, 2004, 06:59 PM
nimue
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Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
Evelyn Ruut quoth:

The thing I don't get is why vegetarians are always so angry. They
are filled with hatred and it is their entire life effort to spew
hatred at people.


Geez. Generalize much? Gandhi was so overflowing with hatred,
wasn't he?


Oh, that is too funny! Good one! I think you should get a prize for that
response or something. :-)

Priscilla


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Old April 10th, 2004, 10:18 PM
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Soy also blocks thyroid function.


wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:18:52 GMT, "Carmen"
wrote:

Hi,
On 4-Apr-2004, Bev-Ann wrote:

I've seen several people on this ng talking about avoiding soy and
things made from it. So I'm curious...why?
I've never really used soy products before going low-carb, but I'm
not having any problems with them now that I'm aware of.


Soy is a source of phytoestrogens, which is just a fancy way of saying
plant-sourced estrogens. Some people are not able to stick extra
estrogens in their system without getting symptoms like tender
breasts, water retention, etc. That's why I have to avoid a lot of
soy. If I wanted that kind of misery I'd take BC pills. ;-) Others
avoid soy because there's some evidence that overconsumption (the
definition of which varies from person to person) can negatively
impact on thyroid function.

Take care,
Carmen



Wow, WOW, W O W .....
That explains my tender breasts.

My dick is tender too. Is that because of the soy bean I ate last
week, or because I have to jack off all the time now, ever since I
left my wife. She was spending all her time with some maggot ridden
dead guy named Atkins. She loved him more than me, so I left her.




  #23  
Old April 23rd, 2004, 02:22 AM
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In article ,
Bev-Ann wrote:

I've seen several people on this ng talking about avoiding soy and things
made from it. So I'm curious...why?
I've never really used soy products before going low-carb, but I'm not
having any problems with them now that I'm aware of.

-----
Bev


If you're a man, (I assume you are not.) it can make your dick shrink.
Hmm, maybe we should feed it to W.
  #24  
Old July 25th, 2004, 08:08 AM
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Regarding soy, this is what I've heard: When tofu gained in popularity, the
soy manufacturers noticed that there was quite of leftover "stuff" (soy
protein isolate-soy waste product). The food manufacturers couldn't stand
the idea of throwing this junk away so they created a market for it:
cereal, protein powders, meal replacement bars, pasta, soy ice cream, etc.
This stuff is nothing but junk. If you're a woman, please keep in mind that
the natural estrogens found in soy contribute to breast cancer and a host of
other female complications. Naturally, the food industry advertised all
this stuff as being healthy but it's actually detrimental to your health.
Please avoid these products.

-Spyglass

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Apr04 04:27:42 GMT, Bev-Ann wrote:

I've seen several people on this ng talking about avoiding soy and things
made from it. So I'm curious...why?
I've never really used soy products before going low-carb, but I'm not
having any problems with them now that I'm aware of.

-----
Bev


According to QUACK Atkins, EVERY FOOD is bad except raw naked flesh
from dead animals. If it aint bloody, it aint food !!!
Atkins was a vampire of sorts, he had to have blood in every food
item.



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Old July 25th, 2004, 09:02 AM
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The Silk Soy Milk has zero cholesterol and 3 net Carbs. It isn't bad as
for taste, but I suppose I need to do more research, wasn't aware of the
health hazards.
BTW JIF Peanut Butter now has a 4gm Carb version, and only cost
$1.65..yum..

Faye

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Old July 25th, 2004, 02:31 PM
Ada Ma
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I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a pill.



wrote:

The Silk Soy Milk has zero cholesterol and 3 net Carbs. It isn't bad as
for taste, but I suppose I need to do more research, wasn't aware of the
health hazards.
BTW JIF Peanut Butter now has a 4gm Carb version, and only cost
$1.65..yum..

Faye


  #27  
Old July 25th, 2004, 04:59 PM
Bev-Ann
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I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for wheat
flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

on Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:31:02 +0100, Ada Ma
wrote:

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a pill.


-----
Bev
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Old July 25th, 2004, 04:59 PM
Bev-Ann
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I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for wheat
flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

on Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:31:02 +0100, Ada Ma
wrote:

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a pill.


-----
Bev
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Old July 25th, 2004, 08:22 PM
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http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...ID=5660167& s
ection=news

.. . . To investigate, the researchers analyzed uterus biopsy specimens taken
from 376 postmenopausal women who were randomly selected to receive soy or
inactive "placebo" tablets for 5 years. Biopsy specimens were obtained at
the beginning of the study, after 30 months, and at the end of study period.
A total of 298 women completed the full trial.

None of the biopsy specimens showed evidence of cancer. However, nearly 4
percent of women in the soy group developed endometrial hyperplasia compared
with none of the women in the placebo group.

These findings, the authors note, "call into question the long-term safety
of (soy) phytoestrogens with regard to the endometrium."

SOURCE: Fertility and Sterility, July 2004.


Soy Linked to Thickening of Endometrial Lining

In a small group of women soy causes the same precancerous changes as
estrogen overdose.

--
Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Bev-Ann" wrote in message
...
I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for

wheat
flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

on Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:31:02 +0100, Ada Ma
wrote:

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those

low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be

anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous

often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical

stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is

harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to

cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented

soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because

she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's

written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every

meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a

diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this

point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I

wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a

pill.

-----
Bev



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Old July 25th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Jenny
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Default What's the Problem with Soy?

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...ID=5660167& s
ection=news

.. . . To investigate, the researchers analyzed uterus biopsy specimens taken
from 376 postmenopausal women who were randomly selected to receive soy or
inactive "placebo" tablets for 5 years. Biopsy specimens were obtained at
the beginning of the study, after 30 months, and at the end of study period.
A total of 298 women completed the full trial.

None of the biopsy specimens showed evidence of cancer. However, nearly 4
percent of women in the soy group developed endometrial hyperplasia compared
with none of the women in the placebo group.

These findings, the authors note, "call into question the long-term safety
of (soy) phytoestrogens with regard to the endometrium."

SOURCE: Fertility and Sterility, July 2004.


Soy Linked to Thickening of Endometrial Lining

In a small group of women soy causes the same precancerous changes as
estrogen overdose.

--
Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Bev-Ann" wrote in message
...
I'm the OP and at the time I posted the question I didn't know what
different types of soy products there are available. I was asking because
I have started eating black soy beans 3 to 5 times a week and use a
combination of soy protein isolate and soy flour as a replacement for

wheat
flour in baking. I do eat the Atkins cold cereals on the weekends, but
those are the only frankenfoods I buy containing soy. I don't eat tofu or
use soy sauce.
It's been 4 and a half months since I started LC and using soy in these
forms. My periods have become more frequent (every 3 weeks) but my doctor
says that can happen on any diet where you lose weight quickly and the
addition of the small amount of soy such as I'm consuming is likely
coincidental. He said my periods should regulate themselves again in
another month or 2.

on Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:31:02 +0100, Ada Ma
wrote:

I think the OP was talking about not-so-natural soy products like those

low carb
tortilla, whatever. I am tired of telling people there shouldn't be

anything
wrong about eating natural soy products. People who call soy dangerous

often
lug the original bean itself together with all these strange chemical

stuffs
derived from beans. It's like hydrogenated oil, the oil itself is

harmless but
once it's been put through strange processes it's no wonder it's going to

cause
harm to those who eat it. Same with soy, soy milk, soy sauce, fermented

soy
products.

There was a poster in here a while ago said that soy is dangerous because

she's
started to have bleeding in between periods after, according what she's

written,
been eating products produced using soya isolate in practically every

meal for a
week. Now why would someone do that is beyond me - Think of having a

diet of
pure margarine. For a week. To her credit, she did say that the natural
products are alright and the soya isolate was the one to blame. But this

point
was not spelled out until it's half way through her 3-mile long post.

Then there is this concern about the hormones like stuffs in the bean. I

wonder
how many beans one must eat to get the same dose as one can get from a

pill.

-----
Bev



 




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