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I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?



 
 
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  #11  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 12:37 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

I'd never make a beef stew without browning the beef first.

"Drachen" wrote in message
...
unless you go for bison, which is heartier in flavour, and almost zero
fat...

but if you're making a stew, wouldn't the juices and fat remain within the
stew? therefore wouln'dt not taking out 1/4 of the weight be detrimental
to
the overall amount?

I've also found that if I roast the beef or bison beforehand in the oven,
its a lot tender and tastier in the stews... you could also roast the
potatoes and carrots all together, then just cut them up with your onions
garlic and other veggies to simmer for a short bit...



"Willow Herself" wrote in
message . ..
When I make things like stews, or casserole (where I won't be picking out
the meat cubes to weigh them!!) I weigh the food ahead and take out about
1/4 of the weight. That's about what meat loses as it cooks.
Will~

"greenbanks" wrote in message
...
"Teri" wrote in message
news
I just bought a Salter scale ... stainless steel. Do you weigh the

meat
before or after you cook it (does it even matter that much?). From

that
cookbook I made chicken breasts w/broccoli rabe, raddicchio, onions
garlic and spinach fettucine... which was just out of this world ...

even
my 8yo scarfed it down.
Teri

Definitely after. You're cooking off some of the fat, even in lean

meats.
You'll enjoy the control you get with a scale.
--
M'Lou







  #12  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 03:05 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Ivan
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

Hi all..
And wow, thanks so much for all your replies!!

Okay.. Yes, I'm 6'1" and weigh 250.. On the first day I couldn't eat
more than 18 points.. Second day I managed to go up to 21..
I do have a WW book, one that lists all the points for different food
items, including competitor's brands.. Which has really helped out,
especially when eating things like vegetables and fruits..

But will the diet not work for me because I'm under eating?
I work in IT, and thus do not move around too much during the day..
Which is probably why I'm rarely hungry..
I will start walking during the week.. Although I've said that in the
past and never have..

I'll be investing on a food scale as some of you suggested, and will
definately try to start cooking.. I love cooking, but never really
been a big fan of measuring .. I normally cook by 'feel', and hate
measuring. Perhaps a habit I should get used to.


It seems like there is a great support group in this NG, so I will
definately be coming back in to ask for advise when needed..


I will see if I can get a cook book. The other day, funnily enough the
day after I started WW, at the train station they were giving out WW
stuff..
I got a bag with WW chocolate mousse, a WW protein bar, breakfast
cereal, a box of skim milk.. What else.. Ooh, and a WW magazine!!
The mag had lots of really good recipes, so I will read through it and
perhaps make something up tonight.



I'll let you know how it goes.


Ooh, and also, does anyone know how lean kangaroo meat is, in
comparison to beef?




Cheers,

Ivan.

  #13  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 03:24 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Laura
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

Where do you live that you have kangaroo meat? I'm guessing you are not in
the USA. The points in the WW materials are for US nutritional info. Maybe
that's why you only counted 18 points. Can you post your menu for the 2 days
so we can see what you are eating?

"Ivan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi all..
And wow, thanks so much for all your replies!!

Okay.. Yes, I'm 6'1" and weigh 250.. On the first day I couldn't eat
more than 18 points.. Second day I managed to go up to 21..
I do have a WW book, one that lists all the points for different food
items, including competitor's brands.. Which has really helped out,
especially when eating things like vegetables and fruits..

But will the diet not work for me because I'm under eating?
I work in IT, and thus do not move around too much during the day..
Which is probably why I'm rarely hungry..
I will start walking during the week.. Although I've said that in the
past and never have..

I'll be investing on a food scale as some of you suggested, and will
definately try to start cooking.. I love cooking, but never really
been a big fan of measuring .. I normally cook by 'feel', and hate
measuring. Perhaps a habit I should get used to.


It seems like there is a great support group in this NG, so I will
definately be coming back in to ask for advise when needed..


I will see if I can get a cook book. The other day, funnily enough the
day after I started WW, at the train station they were giving out WW
stuff..
I got a bag with WW chocolate mousse, a WW protein bar, breakfast
cereal, a box of skim milk.. What else.. Ooh, and a WW magazine!!
The mag had lots of really good recipes, so I will read through it and
perhaps make something up tonight.



I'll let you know how it goes.


Ooh, and also, does anyone know how lean kangaroo meat is, in
comparison to beef?




Cheers,

Ivan.


  #14  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 04:05 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

The diet will work at first, then stop working, then you'll get sick...

Will~

"Ivan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi all..
And wow, thanks so much for all your replies!!

Okay.. Yes, I'm 6'1" and weigh 250.. On the first day I couldn't eat
more than 18 points.. Second day I managed to go up to 21..
I do have a WW book, one that lists all the points for different food
items, including competitor's brands.. Which has really helped out,
especially when eating things like vegetables and fruits..

But will the diet not work for me because I'm under eating?
I work in IT, and thus do not move around too much during the day..
Which is probably why I'm rarely hungry..
I will start walking during the week.. Although I've said that in the
past and never have..

I'll be investing on a food scale as some of you suggested, and will
definately try to start cooking.. I love cooking, but never really
been a big fan of measuring .. I normally cook by 'feel', and hate
measuring. Perhaps a habit I should get used to.


It seems like there is a great support group in this NG, so I will
definately be coming back in to ask for advise when needed..


I will see if I can get a cook book. The other day, funnily enough the
day after I started WW, at the train station they were giving out WW
stuff..
I got a bag with WW chocolate mousse, a WW protein bar, breakfast
cereal, a box of skim milk.. What else.. Ooh, and a WW magazine!!
The mag had lots of really good recipes, so I will read through it and
perhaps make something up tonight.



I'll let you know how it goes.


Ooh, and also, does anyone know how lean kangaroo meat is, in
comparison to beef?




Cheers,

Ivan.



  #15  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 04:06 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Willow Herself
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

If he's in Kangaroo land.. maybe he got the Kangaroo land material right?

Will~

"Laura" wrote in message
...
Where do you live that you have kangaroo meat? I'm guessing you are not in
the USA. The points in the WW materials are for US nutritional info. Maybe
that's why you only counted 18 points. Can you post your menu for the 2
days so we can see what you are eating?

"Ivan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi all..
And wow, thanks so much for all your replies!!

Okay.. Yes, I'm 6'1" and weigh 250.. On the first day I couldn't eat
more than 18 points.. Second day I managed to go up to 21..
I do have a WW book, one that lists all the points for different food
items, including competitor's brands.. Which has really helped out,
especially when eating things like vegetables and fruits..

But will the diet not work for me because I'm under eating?
I work in IT, and thus do not move around too much during the day..
Which is probably why I'm rarely hungry..
I will start walking during the week.. Although I've said that in the
past and never have..

I'll be investing on a food scale as some of you suggested, and will
definately try to start cooking.. I love cooking, but never really
been a big fan of measuring .. I normally cook by 'feel', and hate
measuring. Perhaps a habit I should get used to.


It seems like there is a great support group in this NG, so I will
definately be coming back in to ask for advise when needed..


I will see if I can get a cook book. The other day, funnily enough the
day after I started WW, at the train station they were giving out WW
stuff..
I got a bag with WW chocolate mousse, a WW protein bar, breakfast
cereal, a box of skim milk.. What else.. Ooh, and a WW magazine!!
The mag had lots of really good recipes, so I will read through it and
perhaps make something up tonight.



I'll let you know how it goes.


Ooh, and also, does anyone know how lean kangaroo meat is, in
comparison to beef?




Cheers,

Ivan.




  #16  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 04:48 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Ivan
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

On Feb 23, 1:24 pm, "Laura" wrote:
Where do you live that you have kangaroo meat? I'm guessing you are not in
the USA. The points in the WW materials are for US nutritional info. Maybe
that's why you only counted 18 points. Can you post your menu for the 2 days
so we can see what you are eating?



I am, in fact, in Australia -- hence the availability of Kanga-meat.
Not that I'm a big fan, but I heard that it is extremly lean.

I left my book at home today, but from memory, this is what I ate:

Breakfast
Bowl of WW cereal (one serving) and soy milk (1/2 cup) (4 1/2 points)
Black Coffee

Mid-morning snack
WW Peaches (1/2 point)
Black Coffee

Lunch
WW frozen meal -- Beef hot pot (I can't remember, but think it was 3
1/2)
Two WW choc-chip cookies (1 point)
Black Coffee

Afternoon snack
WW Peaches (1/2 point)
Black Coffee

Dinner
WW Beef lasagne (again, can't remember, but believe it was 5 points)
2 glasses of red wine (I think 3 points)

Dessert
1 cup canterlope (1/2 point)
WW Jello (0)
Black Coffee



  #17  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 05:14 AM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Ivan
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

Oh, and today..

This is today's menu, as I can remember it better than the day of 18.

Breakfast:
Two weetbix hi-bran + 1 cup soy milk ( 5 points )

In between:
Box of V8 vegetable juice. (1 1/2 points)

Morning snack:
Two choc-chip WW cookies ( 1 point)
Black Coffee

Lunch:
Tuna Sandwitch (white bread, can of WW tuna, alfalfa sprouts and
tomato) (not sure how many points that is. I'm thinking around 5.)
Black Coffee

Nothing else yet.

Not sure about dinner. I will attempt at cooking something, as I'm
having my folks over.

  #18  
Old February 23rd, 2007, 02:26 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Laura
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

That's not a lot of food and it looks like you are on a diet. I would be
starving for sure on this menu. You want to aim for a lifestyle change that
gives you variety and a nice balance of foods.

I can't tell which set of points you are using. In the US point system most
servings of fruit are 1 point and the wine is 2pts per 4oz. The difference
in point systems in other countries relates to how the nutrition info is
listed on the packages. Some countries (England?) don't list cal/fat/fiber
like they do in the US so they get a different number of points to
compensate for that. I don't know about the Aussie nutritional info.

You are missing veggies, oils and dairy. Take a look at this page on the 8
healthy guidelines.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/util/a...1&art_id=21901

Following this will give you the much needed points to properly fuel your
body. As Willow said, you'll get results for a while but then get sick
and/or stop losing. Some also gain weight because your body holds on to all
of calories consumed. Not a good cycle to get into. You also lose muscle
instead of fat when you starve yourself.

How much water are you drinking? It looks like you drink a fair amount of
coffee.

Here's a WW eating guide that they published a few years ago. It's aimed at
20 (US) pts per day so just increase your portion sizes or # of choices per
column to get to your min required daily point value. It has 3 different
eating plans: high carb, high protein and mixed. Pick the one you like for
the day and select away.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/downlo...atingGuide.pdf

"Ivan" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 23, 1:24 pm, "Laura" wrote:
Where do you live that you have kangaroo meat? I'm guessing you are not
in
the USA. The points in the WW materials are for US nutritional info.
Maybe
that's why you only counted 18 points. Can you post your menu for the 2
days
so we can see what you are eating?



I am, in fact, in Australia -- hence the availability of Kanga-meat.
Not that I'm a big fan, but I heard that it is extremly lean.

I left my book at home today, but from memory, this is what I ate:

Breakfast
Bowl of WW cereal (one serving) and soy milk (1/2 cup) (4 1/2 points)
Black Coffee

Mid-morning snack
WW Peaches (1/2 point)
Black Coffee

Lunch
WW frozen meal -- Beef hot pot (I can't remember, but think it was 3
1/2)
Two WW choc-chip cookies (1 point)
Black Coffee

Afternoon snack
WW Peaches (1/2 point)
Black Coffee

Dinner
WW Beef lasagne (again, can't remember, but believe it was 5 points)
2 glasses of red wine (I think 3 points)

Dessert
1 cup canterlope (1/2 point)
WW Jello (0)
Black Coffee




  #19  
Old February 24th, 2007, 04:11 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

we rarely buy those, you need to look at fresh meat and frozen vegetables,
if you shop sale items and you aren't buying as much junk food you should
save money. good for you starting, Lee
Ivan wrote in message
oups.com...
Okay.. So I started the WW diet yesterday..
I consumed 18 points and felt so full I could not eat another bite..
Which was great, really.
I weighed and measured myself, and kept track of everything I ate
during the day.
Today is day 2, and going well so far..

The only thing that bothers me is how expensive everything is..
Sure, I don't have to buy the WW meals.. But often when I cook I tend
to have trouble with portion sizes..

Does anyone have any tips in regards to this?

I'm really looking forward (granted, with skeptisism) to discovering
my weight next week..
The reason why I'm skeptical is because yesterday, after eating 18
points, I felt like I've eaten more than I normally do.. And that was
only 18 points.. Considering my height and weight and level of
activity, I should be eating 26-29 points!!

I won't be going to the meetings for now.. Mainly because of lack of
time, though mostly because of money issues.. I'll stick to counting
my own points and using the support of my girlfriend..


I'm 6'1" and my weight at the moment is 250lbs.
Waist is 44 inches.

I will report next week with my new measurements, as well as an
updated report of how I feel about WW.

In the mean time, if someone could please tell me how to avoid having
to purchase WW food (or any other frozen meals).. It'd be fantastic.



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Old February 24th, 2007, 04:13 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stormmee
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Default I'm sure this question has been asked.. But: Does it really work?

good advice, Lee
Drachen wrote in message
...
purchase a scale!!! I highly recommend it... 3 oz of chicken is a lot

more
than you'd think but cheese is sooooo small in portion... but works for a
quick snack...

I have to consume 35 points... sigh... and sometimes it is hard to do and
sometimes its wayyyyy too easy... one chocolate bar will zoom me right up
there...*G*

I'd also recommend going to at least one or two meetings at least, most
places allow a freebie if you haven't joined yet...

and a good investment is also a good book that lists brand names,
calories/fibre/etc for various foods... and use your fiber calculator to

get
your point value, if you've joined you'll get one... very handy for
shopping...

also, I would also HIGHLY recommend the guide for eating out, as they list

a
lot of popular quickly places and places that are frequented a lot, etc...
a&w, arbys dennys, dq... etc... it also helps to eye out points and size

of
servings I've found...

I rarely purchase frozen meals... I find its never satisfying enough...

I'd
rather make my own then freeze the portions... *see 'meal planning'

subject
in this newsgroup*...

I've lost a few pounds, but I only track about 4 days a week... the rest I
guess at really... but it is working... if I don't track I don't lose... I
track I lose... I'm on day three of four right now for tracking... I

totally
ignored monday... but did extra workout on tuesday to attempt to make up

for
that...

and I'm pretty busy and have lots of obligations to do as well... but I

set
aside one day *morning really* to go to weight watchers, then out for
breakfast...* its a total of 25$ for the day... so 100$/month... give or
take pending on what I have for breakfast of course... and the support of
people who have 'been there' is awesome!!! and really helps... regardless
if you gain or lose its always good to talk about it.



"Ivan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Okay.. So I started the WW diet yesterday..
I consumed 18 points and felt so full I could not eat another bite..
Which was great, really.
I weighed and measured myself, and kept track of everything I ate
during the day.
Today is day 2, and going well so far..

The only thing that bothers me is how expensive everything is..
Sure, I don't have to buy the WW meals.. But often when I cook I tend
to have trouble with portion sizes..

Does anyone have any tips in regards to this?

I'm really looking forward (granted, with skeptisism) to discovering
my weight next week..
The reason why I'm skeptical is because yesterday, after eating 18
points, I felt like I've eaten more than I normally do.. And that was
only 18 points.. Considering my height and weight and level of
activity, I should be eating 26-29 points!!

I won't be going to the meetings for now.. Mainly because of lack of
time, though mostly because of money issues.. I'll stick to counting
my own points and using the support of my girlfriend..


I'm 6'1" and my weight at the moment is 250lbs.
Waist is 44 inches.

I will report next week with my new measurements, as well as an
updated report of how I feel about WW.

In the mean time, if someone could please tell me how to avoid having
to purchase WW food (or any other frozen meals).. It'd be fantastic.





 




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