I’m Not Fat—I’ve Just Got Fat Bacteria

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
I think the 4 minute mile is just another ridiculous analogy of hers just
like the silly argument about weight being as genetically influenced as
height.

Yah, those silly scientists and their studies. Can't believe a word,
specially since you know it all because you were obese once too.

Most people can't run a 4 minute mile, but with training and practice it's
not unreasonable for a typical person to run an 8 minute mile.

Figure out what the distribution is. Maybe 1% can run a 4 minute mile. The
8 minute mile would put people into obesity.

Fuzzy math comparing apples to oranges.

Most obese people won't go from a BMI of 30-40+ to an 18 but it's not
unreasonable for someone to get between 25-28 or even below 25 and
maintain it.

Then show us some proof that this can happen in a population of people?
Not just a few individuals who make it work for their own particular
biology and environment.

Check out the National Weight Loss Registry. Again, I have no interest in
studies because 99% of the people that I know personally who have problems
with weight loss and maintenance do so because they don't understand that it
takes a lifelong change in eating and exercising habits. They don't believe
that obesity is a chronic condition that requires diligent treatment but
instead believe that once they've reached their goal (if they do) they can't
go back to doing what made them fat or else, gee, they get fat again.

Those that don't reach their goal have to work on the issues that caused
them not to succeed. Many people who have lost and maintained weight have
had numerous failed attempts before finally succeeding. Read Thin For
Life - it's in there. Do whatever you want but don't plan on my responding
to your bitchy little put downs anymore. I'm done with you and getting back
to the real world.
--
the volleyballchick
who would rather spend the day on the golf course

In article , Stacey Bender
wrote:

Nunya B. wrote:
I think the 4 minute mile is just another ridiculous analogy of hers just
like the silly argument about weight being as genetically influenced as
height.

Yah, those silly scientists and their studies. Can't believe a word,
specially since you know it all because you were obese once too.

Most people can't run a 4 minute mile, but with training and
practice it's not unreasonable for a typical person to run an 8 minute
mile.

Figure out what the distribution is. Maybe 1% can run a 4 minute mile.
The 8 minute mile would put people into obesity.

Most obese people won't go from a BMI of 30-40+ to an 18 but it's not
unreasonable for someone to get between 25-28 or even below 25 and maintain
it.

Then show us some proof that this can happen in a population of people?
Not just a few individuals who make it work for their own particular
biology and environment.

The recidvism stats are that 98% regain weight but they usually abandon
the protocols they used to lose. We have some long term success folks
on this group. I happen to be one. There is also Jay jay, Barbara H.
Chris and a number of others. We have strategies to adopt if
backsliding and an overriding desire to control our weight. We are
never afraid to start again if required. I am not denying science but I
am practicing a good way of eating and moving and I am 74, have lost 86
pounds and am in my fifth year of reasonably maintaining within two
pounds. Whwn i backslide, i take action, post to the group, appreciate
the support and have stopped with the science posts but do post
newspaper articles from others from time to time.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
I think the 4 minute mile is just another ridiculous analogy of hers just
like the silly argument about weight being as genetically influenced as
height.

Yah, those silly scientists and their studies. Can't believe a word,
specially since you know it all because you were obese once too.

The reason studies cannot be believed is because they're always giving us
conflicting information:

For years cereals & grains were healthy, being vegetarian was healthy and
fat, especially saturated animal fat, was bad, it not only made you fat but
also gave you cholesterol & heart disease. Then it all got turned round, low
fat diets are bad, grains are bad, throw away the cereal boxes, close down
Kelloggs & bring out the bacon'n'eggs.

One article says maximum longevity is achieved at low BMIs of around 18,
another claims the exact opposite, i.e. that people with BMIs under 20 die
early whilst the overweight live longer!

First milk was the holy grail, then dairy products weren't too good for you,
unless they were low fat, oh wait, low fat is bad, go for cream & butter.
Yoghurt aids weight loss because it's got protein, or is it because it
encourages good intestinal bacteria? No, intestinal bacteria increases carb
absorption & you gain weight, it's actually the calcium that aids weight
loss, but don't take supplements, it has to come from dairy products.

For years soy was supposed to be healthy, many switched to soy milk and took
isoflavone isolates to improve their health, now it turns out soy's really
really bad for you & isoflavones cause cancer.

With so much conflicting information, it's impossible to tell what's true
and what's just 'flavour of the month' stuff...

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Polar Light wrote:
Motivation is the key issue here. Why is it that actresses & models
manage to stay so thin when they have the same biological mechanisms that
drive us to store energy?

If you have to rely on intense motivation then you will fail because you
can't be motivated all the time. The gap between being obese and not obese
is just a few hundred calories a day.

Over a long period of time...

Motivation won't prevent that over the long run. Your model take drugs,
binges and purges, is naturally thin,

I thought you didn't think people could be naturally thin, since we're all
programmed to be fat.

and gains weight when they get older and the motivation goes away.

So you agree with me about motivation keeping people on track.

Kirstie Alley was a model, for example.

I used models as an example that motivation can overcome biology and
genetics, to the point of keeping a lower-than-normal weight. Anybody with a
strong enough motivation can keep a low weight, just as lack of motivation
can lead to weight gain.

Environment is as important as biology, you see as many obese people in
image-conscious LA as in other places.

And why do you think environment is as important? How could it matter if
the body wasn't set up for it to matter?

Environmental influence is the opposite from genetic programming. All humans
are pretty much programmed the same way, the reason obesity is more
prevalent in certain areas can only be explained by environmental factors.

Carol Frilegh wrote:
The recidvism stats are that 98% regain weight

That would be on the high-end of the stats I think.

but they usually abandon
the protocols they used to lose.

And that's the interesting part isn't it. Any diet works of you can
follow it 100%. But people don't. People don't do much of anything 100%.

We have some long term success folks
on this group. I happen to be one. There is also Jay jay, Barbara H.
Chris and a number of others. We have strategies to adopt if
backsliding and an overriding desire to control our weight.

And some people are spontaneously cured of cancer. To prove a treatment
works it has to work in a varied population of people. Reasoning from a
few success stories isn't valid.

Nunya B. wrote:
Figure out what the distribution is. Maybe 1% can run a 4 minute mile. The
8 minute mile would put people into obesity.


Fuzzy math comparing apples to oranges.

I wouldn't expect you to take the trouble to tell me why it is fuzzy.

Check out the National Weight Loss Registry.

I have. That actually makes the point.


Those that don't reach their goal have to work on the issues that caused
them not to succeed. Many people who have lost and maintained weight have
had numerous failed attempts before finally succeeding. Read Thin For
Life - it's in there. Do whatever you want but don't plan on my responding
to your bitchy little put downs anymore. I'm done with you and getting back
to the real world.

Yes, my bitchy little put downs. Irony. I get it.

Polar Light wrote:
Yah, those silly scientists and their studies. Can't believe a word,
specially since you know it all because you were obese once too.

The reason studies cannot be believed is because they're always giving us
conflicting information:

I agree that's a reason to be cautious, certainly, but to extend that
and say all studies should be ignored is basically saying we can't ever
learn anything.


With so much conflicting information, it's impossible to tell what's true
and what's just 'flavour of the month' stuff...

Look at the study. Read the study. Think about it. And make up your
mind. The twin studies are very convincing to me. I wouldn't want to
throw out the bady with the bath water.

Polar Light wrote:
If you have to rely on intense motivation then you will fail because you
can't be motivated all the time. The gap between being obese and not obese
is just a few hundred calories a day.


Over a long period of time...

200 calories extra per day is 20 pounds a year. The math is frightening.


Motivation won't prevent that over the long run. Your model take drugs,
binges and purges, is naturally thin,

I thought you didn't think people could be naturally thin, since we're all
programmed to be fat.

Not everyone. There are a good chunk of people that are naturally thin.
When I talk about obesity I pretty much assume the audience are those
people who prone to obesity, as the thin people don't have to worry
about it. Except they still need to be fit.


and gains weight when they get older and the motivation goes away.


So you agree with me about motivation keeping people on track.

I don't see how it can keep most people on track most of the time. And
when motivation is the key you see yo-yo dieting which seems to be
dangerous in itself.


I used models as an example that motivation can overcome biology and
genetics, to the point of keeping a lower-than-normal weight. Anybody with a
strong enough motivation can keep a low weight, just as lack of motivation
can lead to weight gain.

But that level of motivation seems only possible by 5% of humanity. In
the same way very few people have the motivation and dedication to be
world class athletes.


Environmental influence is the opposite from genetic programming. All humans
are pretty much programmed the same way,

But they aren't. Everyone is different in their biology, which is why I
make the point you can't know what other people are dealing with. Just
like you can't know how much pain someone is in from a punch to the gut.

the reason obesity is more
prevalent in certain areas can only be explained by environmental factors.

It's a combination of both. Read the Agile Gene for a good introduction
to the interaction between genes and environment. It's an amazing
system. If your genetics are right then the environment doesn't matter.
You will probably never get fat. If your environment is right you will
probably never get fat. Most of us are on different curves in both
environment and genetics.

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
Figure out what the distribution is. Maybe 1% can run a 4 minute mile.
The 8 minute mile would put people into obesity.


Fuzzy math comparing apples to oranges.

I wouldn't expect you to take the trouble to tell me why it is fuzzy.

Because you've assumed that mile times and BMI are on a similar continuum
and that the numbers move proportionally.
--
the volleyballchick

In article , Stacey Bender
wrote:

Carol Frilegh wrote:
The recidvism stats are that 98% regain weight

That would be on the high-end of the stats I think.

but they usually abandon
the protocols they used to lose.

And that's the interesting part isn't it. Any diet works of you can
follow it 100%. But people don't. People don't do much of anything 100%.

We have some long term success folks
on this group. I happen to be one. There is also Jay jay, Barbara H.
Chris and a number of others. We have strategies to adopt if
backsliding and an overriding desire to control our weight.

And some people are spontaneously cured of cancer. To prove a treatment
works it has to work in a varied population of people. Reasoning from a
few success stories isn't valid.

I am not reasoning at all. I am making subjective statemenst which is
usually what I do as I can't control or solve everyone's problems. The
best I can do is to share my experience and pass on things that helped.
I have no more time to play Plato and The Gadfly with you as i am busy
with my dogs, giving cooking classes for The Specific Carbohydrate
Diet, doing exercises and living my life such as it is.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food